Ripped off by Patrick Renwick

[Chamguy616]

Jim is upset and clouded by anger

Hello,

Well Jim.I hope you contact my local pet stores then I will have enough proof to allow me to sue you for defamation of character.The post you made might be covered here(but not likely) but,a direct contact hopefully to more than 1 person in my area may be what I need to sue the livin crap out of you.But it seems ur character should be the one under judgement.You said I finally contacted you but in ur e-mail you said "you are sick of e-mailing me everyday"That means we have been in contact regularly and by my estimates with never more than 3 days in between."Jim the rule round here must be if you posted first I am in the wrong".As far as selling the lizards.....No one who has sent me money for a herp will ever say I am not a person who delivers,from a 20.00 iguana to a 400.00 blaze orange leopard gecko I have never ripped off anyone..One package arrived safe and sound today.Another goes out monday.You can call me a scam artist,I am not sure if you try to belittle your competition or if you are just angry that I didnt respond for a weekend.My last post on this thread was erased and a message inserted in its place about posting rules.

As far as this site goes i have a new opinion"It helps those who use it with respect and proper business ethics"I am glad its here and webslave is a hero to me for being brave enough to attempt this service to all.

For the rest of you I leave you this one thought(and a copy of Jims last e-mail)

If Jim trusted me enough to ship first,you think my not responding before the warranty or even on a sat or a sunday he would have trusted me enough to give me a couple days(for that matter how did he know I didnt ship truck that day)

I havn't spent this much time on my pc in over a year and if its a crime to be Away From Keyboard for the weekend thats what i am guilty of.


P.S.-Jim new I was sending it parcel post and bear i traded a 500.00 truck for 125.00 worth of lizards(according to his own site I got the prices)Why would i send it with frills(I trusted him enough)

BELOW IS MYSELF AND JIMS LAST @ EMAILS and mind you I have never called jim more than a fat little bald man(his pic is on his web site)He bashed my job as a nurse and also used language not suitable to my nothing but helpful tone..........................

were done !! enjoy the chams!! I have not recieved the truck !! I got
totally screwed on this deal !! let alone having to e mail you everyday,
you know nothing about me. my drywall business is not slow I check my
emails in the morning and in the afternoon I for one take care of my
customers with no hasels you for one are a piece of **** I do not use usps
because they cannot guarentee overnight delivery, I sent to you with no
problem I cannot help it that you can't read a fricking email with my
address that you asked for. I am done playing with you I have contacted ebay
for your responce to useing them as a refrence I am closeing this matter,
your not worth it I am tired of worring if I will get paid. I am just going
to chalk it up as a lesson never to ship first again p.s. I am done
emailing you but to put you underground with letting everyone know you are
a scam artest The price I told you was ajusted.


Jim Scharphorn
www.coolcrittersbylj.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Renwick" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: Message about: Veileds 4 to 5 week old pairs


> I will send dead one first so you can adjust the amount.Like I said Jim I
am
> kinda iffy on doin anything else due to the fact that I have no proof you
> didnt recieve it.Can you prove to me 100% you didnt recieve it?Just as can
> you prove beyond a reasonable doubt I didnt send it?Jim,I am growing weary
> of this like I said I dont live on the computer I understand dry-wall is
> slow in the winter so while you sit around cause its ur slow season the
sick
> dont wait.You were my #1 priority till I sent the truck out.Like I said I
> believe you have it deep down in my heart I have faith in the
> usps..........but do you think its possible it could have been lost,why
dont
> you ship herps usps?(or maybe the truck is in ur closet as we
type)Jim,your
> hastey appraoch to the whole defaming post could have been a ploy to try
to
> scam me...or maybe you were so mad at me you just figure"Hell maybe since
I
> think I caught him scamming me(wich you didnt)I will do one back on him".I
> will give the post office one more attempt and will be in contact with you
> no later than tuesday,weds and thurs I will be on call so Friday evening
> will be the next post to you and from there we will solve this once and
for
> all.I posted my reply on fauna if you want to read it.....The reason why I
> decieded to post is cause I am so angry I have to be heard.But as I am not
> in the lizard business my reputation is safe I think.Also,I have about 10
> solid references I can use if I ever need to but most all my herp type
sales
> are local and few for that matter.Like I said Jim,when you can prove
beyond
> a reasonable doubt I didnt send the truck then you are in the right for
all
> this mess,but if you cant prove beyond a reasonable doubt I didnt send the
> truck you should be less hostile and defaming untill you have concrete
> proof.Thanks Jim and I am still gonna keep you on my number 1 priority
list
> till this gets solved
> Pat
>
>
>
>
>
>

 

[Rob @ RK Reptiles]

Pat,

First off he does not have to proove that you sent the truck. He can prove that he sent the Chameleons and you received them and he has never received the Truck. You can not prove that you sent it. That is where you messed up. If you really did send the truck (which I do not think you did) you should have sent it certified, registered, or return receipt. Anyone that has any smarts knows you ALWAYS have a paper trail. You do not have a paper trail. He has ground to contact your Local Law Enforcement for THeft, and possibly fraud, and can contact the FBI internet fraud division and YOU will have to prove that YOU in fact did send the truck. This is not game and you really should be concerned as you are doing nothing to remedy this problem but rather the opposite. You are making it worse by accusing him of receiveing the truck and being dis-honest. As you have stated you are not in the Reptiles for a buisness. Well Jim is, and he sure is not going to ruin his buisness over something like this. You really should take a minute to think about what your doing, Even contact your Law Enforcement and they will tell you the exact thing I just did. You are guilty of Theft, and since you have no proof that you shipped anything you will LOSE if Jim takes this to the court system.

 

[jim scharphorn]

Pat, you say I have been e-mailing everyday so we must be in contact. Well buddy I have been e-mailing everyday. you have not. Prove to me and us that you have emailed me everyday !! the last e-mail I recieved from you was Monday and then today Saturday that is like 5 days I think not 2 like you e-amiled me saying, and not 3 like your trying to tell everyone here.
P .s. go to the home pg. I started a new thread to tell everyone who you are again ( chamguy616 AKA Patrick Renwick AKA email addy [email protected] and [email protected] )
Good Luck to Ya

And You forgot to put your full name in your post above It may get deleted again HA HA HA DUUUUPPPeee

And you have shown a true lie by saying you could not post here before, when you have been posting this month trying to sell chams. probably the ones I sold you, ( OOPPS stole from me ) your asking for $120 shipped for 3 of them

 

[Chamguy616]

Rob is a Friend of Jim

Rob,
first of all in NY the proof is on Jim to prove me wrong We still live in America and our legal system is based on Innocent till proven guilty,this goes for all states the burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt is on the plantiff not the defendent.Also,not to sound rude but when I shipped out a in a trade a 200.00 snake and I got nothing in return my local law enforcement said

1-I have to file in person in that state the respondent lived in

2-They told me "buyer beware"

3- with his defaming posts and e-mail along with the fact he new it was comming as cheapo as possible there is a reasonable doubt.

Rob,
You tried to be a help at first but I think I used one profanity and that was over(and it wasnt directed at you at all)

Her is a actual case law and Jim should be carefull I may not be able to or even want to sue the man who offers this valuable service but Jim is another story
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Banco Nacional de Mexico, S.A. v. Menendez-Rodgriguez, et al-The court also held that the nature of the comments in question were matters of public concern.

The court ruled that because the matters in question were of public concern, the plaintiff, to prevail on his defamation claim, must prove both that the statements in question were false and were made with actual malice - that is with knowledge that the statements in question were false, or made with reckless disregard for the truth
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A heavy burden for those filing suit to prove. I have a friend that attended Stetson Law School to specialize in internet law and intellectual properties that has been involved in attempted libel or deflamation actions. In many cases, the non prevailing party has to bear the cost of the prevailing parties' actions. That means, the person who thought they were slandered had to pay both attorney's fees and court cost!

It a sad fact as you say, anyone can sue anyone and always find an attonrey willing to do it...... he has nothing to lose and only gains no matter the outcome.


When Jim posted the exact words and I quote

"What can I do to ruin his life" ?

along with the fact he had no eveidence of my not sending the truck(so soon after the arrival of the herps)

This was a malicious act with blatant disregards for the truth.He had no idea if I even sent them and never even made contact or a reasonable attempt(2 voice messages and a few e-mails only over 3 days and only 1 business(on top of the weekend) ids no attempt.

Now,I noticed that this now seems to be just you and Jim posting and like I said till you can prove to me beyond the shadow of a doubt that I didnt send or Jim didnt recieve it then please refrain from this wasting of the servers hard-drive space.

As far as why would Jim ruin his rep on this.I have no rep here so my word(as we have seen)is only that "words" around here.He has such a good rep one bad thing(espically from a nobody)is not even a dent in his rep.Also,I never accused Jim directly of not telling the truth about possesion of the truck I only asked how do I know he didnt get it all ready.I proper question.As far as the signature or tracking I trusted Jims rep. and didnt feel it was a neccesity since you had such vindiction in ur e-mails about him it was good enough for me to trust him.


As far as theft.In NY theft of property unless its a car or at a store with actual proof of the crime(witnesses video tape ect)Its a civil matter for small claims court and that requires a personal apperance by Jim(or his council) in a Court here in NY.Its not worth his time or mine and on top of that a loss on his part would mean he has to pay all court costs(on top of the 50.00 or 100.00 just to file)my lawyer is expensive and is alway on retainer so I am never without council.I have checked into this.

Like I told Jim before,

It had drops of fuel I was unable to get out,3 battery packs and lots of electronics.Maybe it rose suspicion somehow(they may be able to detect cumbustables)and who know some x-rays or it gets held up due to suspicion(In the war on terrorism who knows what lenghts our gov goes to inspect our packages)It may be on its was back due to my wifes typo on the zip(my po says that should get corrected somewheres between the desk and first sorting center)who knows is it possible its lost in transit or even held up due to suspicions.I dont have controll over it when it goes behind the postal counter.

Basically it boils down to this for me

I got 3 healthy baby veilds and 2 that were rough(1 died shortly ofter the 48 hour garuntee)and I have it still frozen to prove it.
monday early afternoon I get a e-mail from Rob alerting me to the post now they arrived on a friday and 48 hours make sunday morning now 24 hours after his garuntee He posts this thread.I am a on call nurse and actually go out of town to work(20 dollars a hour sometimes)he trusted me enough to ship first but then in his premature ejaculation of emotion he posts here and on top of that I had the option if I didnt like them or there condition to return them(also agreed on before he shipped)to return them and monday would have been the soonest I could send them.Basically he posted rather quick.Now all these people(lots of them)Jumped on me before I even had a chance to post(and I waited to post because I thought i had it solved.Then after I send the truck to Jim I get e-mails saying no truck.

I feel that this avenue was very hasty and premature but who knows I know i would have gave him till tuesday and then maybe went this way but in reality I would have givin it a week to see if he sent it and such,but thats just me
This will hopefully be my last post.I have stated my case as clear as I possibly can.


Rob ur heart is in the right place but ur legal advice is kinda unresearched and probably based on ur state laws.But mind you Jim is still a stand up guy and his veilds are top notch(except the dead one)and I am still actively pursuing this as I can hoping we can all see a positive post here soon
Pat Renwick

 

[Chamguy616]

wow puuupeeee im well laughing

Jim,
You posted this last one while I was writing my last one.Do ur worst to defile my name but like I said I have 10 or so solid references and 3 of them are whole salers and also a herpatoligist/vet and 2 pet store owners.You can bet this will be my last trade ever and not by ur design but due to the inability to properly conduct face to face business on the web.

Also be assured that when i get a money order I ship with less than a 1 business day turn around(ur garuntee stopped me from the fast return shipping plus the 2 sickly ones I would be nuts to ship before my 48 hours was up)
As far as this hurting my name i sold a few herps(chams to be specific)and since these were advertised on this site I told the buyers about the post and they still had no problems after they checked my references.

Ur second post is also ammunition since you have no proof I didnt send the truck and you posted agian before you actually have solid proof this is defaming agian and really its getting childish.

But if it helps you sleep better knowing a few people I never will sell a herp too read these i hope it helps


Agian ur my #1 priority and I hope you and I see a happy ending
Pat Renwick

 

[Rob @ RK Reptiles]

Patrick,

As you stated in NY this would fall under a Civil matter. In a Civil matter it is the preponderance of evidence and not Beyond the exclusion of a reasonable doubt. In this case The preponderance of evidence is on Jim's side. He has Proof that he shipped the animals, and he has proof that you signed and received the animals, He can also file an affidavit stating that he did not receive any goods and there is no proof that it was sent (by your own admissions). I am glad you say you are going to rectify this situation and I hope that those are sincere promises. I also hope that are able to do so in a quick and timely fashion. this will reflect on you in a better light. Also another thing, you just said admitted to posting animals for sale on Fauna but earlier stated that you could not post on the BOI. You told me in e-mail that you thought you were banned by the Webslave and such. The date you registered for Fauna is the day after Jim first posted this problem, but you did not respond here for 2 weeks. Also Yes I have done nothing but try and help you and Jim in this situation. I was doing everything in my power to help you right up until your use of Profanity to me in an e-mail. That is when I stopped trying to help you, and will not show any respect toward you because of that.

 

[Python Dreams]

I think I must have it wrong? This post has been up for a little while and I thought it dissappeared. Has it truly reached this amount of time and there still is no truck? Are you telling everyone that you shipped out something and did not get the tracking #? That now this package is lost and there is no way to find it? It is Jim's responsibility since you did ship the package? After that you start telling everyone about the NY laws and how basically Jim is out of luck because it would cost too much money to go after someone who has scammed him?
Now Pat, look at the facts.. You have never came through with your end of the deal. There is no tracking #. It sucks that a Chameleon died, but you shouldve sent them back. Anyway Jim looks at it, it will appear that you are scamming him. You even have some knowledge about the law that sounds scammer friendly. It is ignorant to think he would accept your word on shipping without the #. If you cant understand his position... After all you do have some Chameleons and he has nothing. I am not saying that you are a scammer, you just appear that way.
Tom Baker
If I read this thread wrong I apologize, it does seem too hard to believe.

 

[Chamguy616]

Hello,
Mr python,Jim new and it was agreed that it would be sent parcel post.He also said if I didnt like them i could send them back.When I tried to send them he changed the deal agian and said he wouldnt accept them back.Wow sounds weird that he is able to change the agreement he already agreed to.I am no scam artist and the only reason I know the law is well,wouldn't you research it in this case to know where you legally stand?Jim jumped the gun on the post he then re arranged our deal and through all this i was nothing but helpfull.Now what am I supposed to do he wouldn't take them back and when I send the truck out with no paper trail(as agreed parcel post no extras) he now says after he changes the agreed upon deal that he has no truck.What am I supposed to do?Thanks for ur impartial reply and also for giving me the benifit of the doubt.And agian Jim is my first priority till this gets rectified

Pat Renwick

 

[Python Dreams]

Pat,
Im not saying you scammed him. I actually have no knowledge whatsoever regarding shipping parcel and if they have tracking #'s or if you get receipt when shipping. I really dont know what you are supposed to do... It appears that your kinda at a loss in this situation until the truck shows up somewhere. Somebody has to accept responsibility and all Jim has done is send out some Chameleons that arrived at their location. Maybe offer to send the remaining Chameleons back? If 1 did die, maybe he'll understand and work with you. But you have to understand at this point to him, it feels like he is being scammed and kinda appears that way. Just try and look at it from that viewpoint and learn from your mistakes. I really wasn't claiming you are a scammer, just how it looks. I do not know either of you, and I'm just giving an outside perspective. I really am impartial.
Thanks, Tom Baker

 

[Python Dreams]

Pat,
Im not saying you scammed him. I actually have no knowledge whatsoever regarding shipping parcel and if they have tracking #'s or if you get receipt when shipping. I really dont know what you are supposed to do... It appears that your kinda at a loss in this situation until the truck shows up somewhere. Somebody has to accept responsibility and all Jim has done is send out some Chameleons that arrived at their location. Maybe offer to send the remaining Chameleons back? If 1 did die, maybe he'll understand and work with you. But you have to understand at this point to him, it feels like he is being scammed and kinda appears that way. Just try and look at it from that viewpoint and learn from your mistakes. I really wasn't claiming you are a scammer, just how it looks. I do not know either of you, and I'm just giving an outside perspective. I really am impartial.
Thanks, Tom Baker

 

[Casey Hulse]

I am impartial also

but it sure seems like mr. patrick is a little too smug and cocky to me. I think everything that has happened from the very begining was his plan... Prove that he did not recieve the truck? Is that what they do on E-bay

 

[jim scharphorn]

I told Pat that I would not take the chams back. One reason was he wanted to send them usps ground service with a 12 hr. heat pack, 2nd because I took it from 1 of his emails to me that he did not even have food for the guys till like tuesday or weds. when he recieved them friday morning and 3rd because I give a 48hr guarentee and if anything is wrong with them upon recieving them that you/he must contact me right away. he waited till after this thread was put here and then 2 days later he told me about the sick one. I never daughted him on this matter and offered a replacement even though it was not to my guarentee so who is to say it even died ? I am sure he could get a baby from his pet store freinds I never daughted him not sending the truck. It does not matter, the only thing that matters is I have not recieved anything from him. And I never dogged his job because i have a freind that is a nurse also, so I would never dog him of that, I only told him that I make as much $ in one day than he does in a hole week. And since I exposed him of his allias on this site here was his e-mail to me

have fun jim,
U are a piss ass little sh!t.As a matter of fact I will really piss you off
come friday.Hope ur childish antics help you then.As far as anyone
contacting me well ok no biggie I al-ready know what they are going to say
and like i said boy when friday gets here you are gonna be stoked.Like I
said you little penis,fat,bald no education sister fuc-er.You want to play
hard ball i hope ur wife claims all those chams u sell I WOULD BE EXPECTING
UR TAX RETURN TO BE LOOKED AT CLOSELY SO BE HONEST,morning and on top of
that ur life is about to fall in the ****ter expect someone from well just
expect someone at ur door you are not gonna want to see.You think you have
just started I am gonna make you wish you left it alone Jim,Like I said
according to my state and thats all am worried about so take me to small
claims court.On top of that you think any officials are gonna worry about ur
****ty lizards.I sent the truck and I will go to my grave with that
statement.You try to prove me wrong and by the way ur friend Rob is about as
bright a a x-mas tree light.Like I said i called the fraud bearue and the
police and explained to them the situation.from my understanding I guess I
will see you in smalls claims court.No more e-mails jim,next time you post
on that board you will think twice after i am done with you.Dont threaten me
jim you have small penis syndrome,you think ur a big man,ur a white trash
hick who is probably married to his sister.

I tried to be nice helpfull and all ur nasty e-mails and ur posts are
evidence for me.Like I said they can come and talk to me but hey....they
dont send people to jail or even arrest them for a postal blunder Jim
also,since I shipped out truck as per our agreement and you changed that
agreement by not accepting the cams back(and I have that e-mail u remeber
it"If you back out your name is still mud...I want the truck" I beleieve are
your words or close to them.

Youy changed the deal not me so you and ur buddy and ur silly site can piss
off and i hope people dont use it to defame or slander people without reason
like you did(kingsnake is better and I will use them in future)Your words
are as empty as ur head.Keep a look out for the truck(or just a package with
a utica address)or who knows maybe it got ripped by a postal worker or just
lost in the mail.

AGAIN IT BOILS DOWN TO THIS JIM,

YOU WRE THE ONE TO VIOLATE THE AGREEMENT BY NOT ACCEPTING THE RETURN ON THE
CHAMS(AND TRYING TO EXSTORT MONEY FROM ME IF I DID)

I SENT TRUCK OUT MAYBE A DAY OR 2 LATE BUT I ALSO SHIPPED EXACTLY AS WE
AGREED BEFORE YOU EVEN SHIPPED.

AND MOST OF ALL NO MATTER HOW MUCH UR BUTT BUDDY ROB TOLD YOU "THE BURDEN OF
PROOF IS ON YOU AND SINCE I SENT YOU THE TRUCK MY OBLIGATION IS COMPLETE AND
ON UR SITE IT SAYS NOT RESPONSABLE FOR DELAY OR SHIPPING PROBLEMS SO I GUESS
I AM NOT RESPONSEABLE EITHER.


BOTTOM LINE......I SENT TRUCK AS AGREED.(PERIOD) AS OUR DISCUSSIONS GO
UNLESS ITS PLEASANT OR TO LET ME KNOW UR TRUCK ARRIVED STOP E-MAILING
ME(THIS WILL LEAVE YOU MORE TIME TO HAVE SEX WITH UR SISTER)

AND WHEN UR FRIENDS COME I WELCOME THEM AND THEN UR MOUTH WILL FINALLY SHUT
UP FOR GOOD.

UR CHILDS GAME IS OVER........................I AM DONE PLAYING.....AND WHEN
THE PEOPLE YOU SUPPOSEDLY CALLED ON ME WILL BE PRETTY PISSED YOU FILED A
FALSE COMPLAINT AND THAT YOU WASTED THEIR TIME DUE TO THE FACT UR A BORED
FAT LITTLE BALD MAN WITH INSECURITIES STEMMING FROM A VERY SMALL PENIS

P.S-AS USUAL I WILL PUT ALL MY EFFORT INTO SOLVING THIS DELIMMA AND HOPE WE
SEE A HAPPY ENDING

PAT

 

[Rob @ RK Reptiles]

I think it is rediculous that all of the bad guys ALWAYS turn to sexual comments and innuendos. That just showed a little more to the public what kind of person this man (I say that lightly)is. Pat (I know you will read this) maybe you should talk to your supposed Attorney buddy and ask him what the burden of proof is for a Civil matter. If he tells you beyond a reasonable doubt as you seem to think, then he has no Law Degree and is not a lawyer by any means.
Jim it is obvious that this is not going to be resolved in a fashion that you will be happy with. As I said before I would contact the FBI Internet Fraud division, His local Law Enforcement and file any paperwork needed. Good luck with him as you truly have mine and probably alot of others sympathies for having to deal with this person.

 

[Darin Chappell]

Pat,

Even if you were 100% right in all of this, which I do not believe is true, I will never do business with you just because you cannot communicate from a position of anger without sounding like an absolute moron. This is what the BOI does best of all . . .allowing people enough rope for their own necktie party!

What a joke this guy is!

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

Since i was one of the original posters who thought Jim jumped the gun on the bad guy post, I took it upon myself to contact Patrick as well. His true colors are definitely starting to show. The email exchange is shown below.



>Wrom: AFXISHJEXXIMQZUIVOTQNQEMSFDULHPQQWOYI
>To: <[email protected]>
>Subject: Jim Scharphorn
>Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 20:50:07 -0500
>
>Patrick
>
>As one of the few members of the BOI who objected to Jim's initial posting
>regarding your transaction as being premature, I must say that i am
>surprised that the situation has not been resolved by now. He has posted
>that you have still not delivered on your end of the deal. At this point, i
>believe the title of his original post is entirely appropriate. It amazes
>me that you would destroy your reputation and credibility over this matter.
>
>
>John Schmitt
>
>Suncoast Herpetological
>http://www.suncoastherps.com/



His answer



I sent Jims truck out and have taken all the steps possible but no one from
ny to where Jim lives has seen the truck.Maybe he is trying to screw me.He
posted awfull quick and according to the post office it should have been
there by now.Anyone ever think that Jim was out to scam me from the start.I
did my part I am supposed to be responsable for a screw up at the post
office.Thanks for ur concern but maybe you all should try being opened
minded
Pat



My response



>Wrom: YZUNNYCGPKYLEJGDGVCJVTLBXFGGMEPYOQKED
>To: "Patrick Renwick" <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: Jim Scharphorn
>Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 11:12:45 -0500
>
>Patrick
>
>The flaw in your logic is, like every other internet seller, you are 100%
>responsible for the items you ship until they are in the buyers hands. If
>you were shortsighted enough to ship a $500 item without any provision for
>tracking or insurance then, yes, you are responsible if the USPS screws up.
>Jim can prove his end of the trade arrived. It is not his responsibility
>to
>prove that the truck did not arrive. It is your job to prove that it did.
>
>
>John Schmitt
>
>Suncoast Herpetological
>http://www.suncoastherps.com/


And his most recent response


Like I told Jim,

I fallowed our agreement to the letter.He wass the one who changed the deal
early on by not accepting the return.Now you no longer need to e-mail me as
far as i am concerned ur opinion is hallow and insignificant.I took a chance
on this and there is no way any of you net jockeys on a cyber witch hunt can
tell me other wise.

I mailed truck as agreed the only thing I am at fault for is not getting
return recipt.Its a learning experience for Jim and i.He is number one on my
list of priority's.Hope it works out for jim and I but all you guys on the
forum mean as much to me a dryer lint


Bad grammar and 2nd grade spelling aside, it looks like this guy is panning out to be the weasel everyone feared he would. While I still hate to see a "bad guy" post prior to knowing someone has actually done anything wrong, scammers like this are the reason people generally won't wait.

Jim, I hope this eventually reaches a favorable conclusion for you

 

[HerpVenue]

Patrick

Let me get this straight. YOu want him to prove you did not send him the truck? Well sh!t. You did not send me the truck either....but guess what? I can't prove it. I have nothing here.


Let's get some brains.

You say you sent the truck.
Prove it !!!!!
You say you stood in line at the post office blah blah blah blah.
Well you should have the receipt.

How in the world can he prove he did not recieve the truck? Is he supposed to take a picture of an empty mailbox?

YOu say you sent it. Show us a copy of the receipt

some people need brains

 

[jim scharphorn]

PAT.

To try and answer some of your questions

You asked why do I get to change the aggreement

Well for one I did not change it, the deal was 5 veileds for a monster truck. you tried to change that by saying you were going to send them back and I said no I want the truck, the reason is that you had 48 hrs. for my guarentee you did not use this guarentee. And I think it was 5 days later that you chose to try and change the deal, You could not send the chams back in a good manor, and I feel they were not taken care of properly so I would not get back what I sent, that was the reason for saying no to you sending them back, so were do you find that I changed the deal ?

2nd
you asked why you should be held responsible for shipping erer when my website says I am not responcible for shipping problems.
well here is your answer to that question

I have that on my website things do happen. I make the choice if I feel the need to replace the package.
If I was to put a wrong zip code on the package then that is my fault not the post office
so you have no grounds to kick on , it was your blunder not the p.o. so that should answer your question on that matter.

you asked me in a e-mail how much would it cost for you to send money seeing I did not recieve the truck,

I said $157.50 and you said that is not right because I sell them for cheaper than that it says so on my website.

Well for your info I thought that was a very fair deal seeing the original aggrement was 5 chams for a $300 dollar trade, be thankfull I am not sticking to that . that was the only reason you got the chams was becuse I was trading for a $300 dollar truck.
so I feel $157.50 was very fare.

And just so you know, you may think that after time this will blow over and the tread will be barried in millions of pages. well do yourself a favor and go to the home pg. and type your name in the search engine and see what comes up !

Today is monday and still no truck it has been 3 weeks now