I have no horse in this race. Don't even have geckos right now.
Is it possible that the pictured egg did not come from that particular critter?
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Bad Guy RobbieHamper(elegantreptileimages)
- Thread starter Bash
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I have no horse in this race. Don't even have geckos right now.
Is it possible that the pictured egg did not come from that particular critter?
Fangthane
Tuck Frump!
I suppose that makes you equally amazing (in a sad way) since you can't seem to read or comprehend what actually IS there.
Excerpt from the seller's diatribe:
The OP made it all up?! If so, she was in cahoots with the seller, as said seller clearly states that that the transaction definitely did take place, and that there was indeed an issue with the tail. Clearly an entirely fabricated situation.
Bash
New member
I assumed that would be said ahah; I Can actually take a picture of the egg for you if you think it's "sketchy" or " not Real " With My Registered Name, written on a piece of paper or something. I asked to drop it because i'm NEW in the gecko Community and though i was upset, I shouldn't have jumped the gun as i did. I Put the evidence here because in some aspects i Felt Right, And it was asked for Repeatedly.
Fangthane
Tuck Frump!
For posterity's sake, if for nothing else, you might want to do that. Although, since you don't have any video or photographic proof that the egg actually came from that gecko, it'll only help so much.
Bash
New member
& Just to be clear, I can take a picture of both said Cameras that i own Nikon D40 & Fujifilm.
Bash
New member
I'm Going to Do that, & My nails are TEAL today everyone.. so Expect a difference in my Nailcolor.. This is becoming more amusing than anything. But Later pictures will be posted, My Registered name, my Females name. And whatever someone wants on a piece of paper? or ill just write in on my handle before i candle them
Later pictures will be posted, My Registered name, my Females name. And whatever someone wants on a piece of paper? or ill just write in on my handle before i candle themI do not think this is amusing at all. People make choices about transactions after reading these threads, and on the line is a buyer's/seller's reputation.
THAT is why proof is important.
Jaybee
New member
Yes, if she has other females. The question would be better directed at the OP though it will be difficult for her to prove a negative (that she has no other female adults) to anyone's satisfaction.
Bash
New member
http://tinypic.com/r/30u7nld/6
Egg - registered Name - Females Name Written on Hand & Arrow.
SAME flashlight, Who's Batteries are Dying.
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http://tinypic.com/r/dzyouf/6
My Hand! & if anyone Saw me at the hamburg show, Obviously they wouldn't Eyeball my ink but would know i have it..
BOTH pictures taken with my Nikon D40.
Egg - registered Name - Females Name Written on Hand & Arrow.
SAME flashlight, Who's Batteries are Dying.
&
http://tinypic.com/r/dzyouf/6
My Hand! & if anyone Saw me at the hamburg show, Obviously they wouldn't Eyeball my ink but would know i have it..
BOTH pictures taken with my Nikon D40.
Snake-Queen
New member
I will ask a few questions, that really need answers. • I have no knowledge of cresties (other than basic care, nor do I know either party.)
OP, do you have any adult or breeding age cresties?
I would hope that if she had breeding cresties, she would have already had an incubator and other supplies. For that reason, I am more swayed in cavorted of the OP, in that the eggs came from the new crestie, Rye.
OP, do you have any adult or breeding age cresties?
I would hope that if she had breeding cresties, she would have already had an incubator and other supplies. For that reason, I am more swayed in cavorted of the OP, in that the eggs came from the new crestie, Rye.
The pix may show that they are the same egg, but do not prove the egg was from the particular critter.
Bash
New member
at the Time I found the eggs, which was Sunday. The day after the show. I Obviously Had Rye, I have another Adult Female, and a Young Male. Which both have been Housed in separate enclosures they're entire lives. and Tuesday a Male i Ordered From pangea arrived UPS who is ALSO housed in a separate enclosure.
I DIDNT have any incubating Supplies whatsoever, I had to Literally figure out everything i needed in 15-20 minutes, I had seen a youtube video with a cooler used as an incubator Done by an actual breeder and since it was simplest, Chose that Route.
I DO not and DID not want to breed.
If Said eggs Didn't Come from Rye, I would have NEVER emailed Robbie so furiously. Nor would I Come on here and go out of my way to write a review.
I didn't even know the woman, Nor anything about her Said reputation.
I DIDNT have any incubating Supplies whatsoever, I had to Literally figure out everything i needed in 15-20 minutes, I had seen a youtube video with a cooler used as an incubator Done by an actual breeder and since it was simplest, Chose that Route.
I DO not and DID not want to breed.
If Said eggs Didn't Come from Rye, I would have NEVER emailed Robbie so furiously. Nor would I Come on here and go out of my way to write a review.
I didn't even know the woman, Nor anything about her Said reputation.
leftycrane
New member
Again, I am not choosing sides, I just dont see what she has to gain by saying the egg came from that new gecko. She has already said she is not seeking compensation or anything from the seller, she has already apologized (and YES she did jump the gun) so what does she have to gain out of this? I know we are beating this horse because it will reflect on the seller, which is really why it would be helpful for the seller to come back and try to explain how the gecko might have ended up preggers.
Bash
New member
sorry i could'nt get a picture of her in a laybox if i even owned one. she dropped them in her humid hide as where i found them..
Crestedlovely
New member
Honestly, how can she prove that to anyone's satisfaction? She has stated that she had no intention of breeding, she did not have incubation material. Other than that, I'm not really sure how it can be proved short of someone going to her house to make sure she has no other adult female geckos. Even in that scenario, it would be easy enough for someone to claim that she must have gotten the egg from someone else entirely. I saw the gecko when she bought it, but I didn't check for eggs so I can't say one way or the other. I did see the tail, but that's all I can give testament to.
She cannot. It will remain a question unanswered and not proven.
The other thing that sort of bothered me is the fact that she bought a defective critter and apparently did not even take it out of its deli cup to check it all out.
If I was buying a defective critter I'd look at it real close. But that's just me.
Jaybee
New member
Well... one thing you could do, if you are feeling up to it, is show us a pic of her on the scale now. Eggs, when first laid, are close to 2 grams apiece, so my females will be 3-4 grams lighter after dropping a clutch. The weight you noted at the beginning of the thread when you first got her was 28.6 grams so she might be 3-4 grams lighter than that now? While they might lose a gram or so after defecating, they usually won't lose such a large amount in one go.
But, if she's pigged out again after laying, this might not work either. And you will still probably have doubters either way.
Fangthane
Tuck Frump!
Which puts this whole thing at an impasse. Personally, I'm somewhat inclined to believe the OP. She hasn't seemed to want anything out of this and has absolutely nothing to gain anyway. She's seemingly doing all she can to back up her case.
The seller, on the other hand, has only deigned to send the email that you posted. She came out swinging, brandishing absolute statements and denunciations as if it's not even remotely possible that she could EVER have made a single mistake. Her righteous indignation just seems disingenuous and over-played. 'The lady doth protest too much, methinks'. But that's just my take on it.
I certainly see your point. And it would be easy enough for her to register here and address some of these concerns, and she has not done so.
Short of having it video taped, no there is no way to be 100% sure it is from Robbie's animal.
So, you have to look at what she would have to gain by lying. Nothing that I can think of. She does not want money, she does not want a credit, she does not want a new gecko. She has stated all of that. All she gains is negative attention. I don't imagine anyone wants that. Well a normal person does not want that anyway
I did receive a PM from the OP shortly after she found the eggs. I doubt she would have sent that to me for any reason other than to vent. She had not started this post and had not told me she was going to post here. She PM'd me on 6-11-12 at 4:35pm. She made her initial post here on 6-12-12 at 1:54pm.
Keeping all that in mind I see no reason she would make all of this up. It would just not be logical.
I don't imagine anyone really could come up with proof that a certain clutch came from a animal or reptile. If you end up with an oddball animal and state it is from such and such a pairing and everyone else who has made that same pairing did not produce such an animal does not mean it did not happen. So proof of such things are about impossible to come up with.
She has only done what was asked of her, post a photo of the egg. Now she has done that and of course now some people do not believe it is from that animal. I thought that would happen as soon as pictures were asked to be provided.
Sometimes things can't be fully proven. Just need to look at the whole picture I guess
So, you have to look at what she would have to gain by lying. Nothing that I can think of. She does not want money, she does not want a credit, she does not want a new gecko. She has stated all of that. All she gains is negative attention. I don't imagine anyone wants that. Well a normal person does not want that anyway
I did receive a PM from the OP shortly after she found the eggs. I doubt she would have sent that to me for any reason other than to vent. She had not started this post and had not told me she was going to post here. She PM'd me on 6-11-12 at 4:35pm. She made her initial post here on 6-12-12 at 1:54pm.
Keeping all that in mind I see no reason she would make all of this up. It would just not be logical.
I don't imagine anyone really could come up with proof that a certain clutch came from a animal or reptile. If you end up with an oddball animal and state it is from such and such a pairing and everyone else who has made that same pairing did not produce such an animal does not mean it did not happen. So proof of such things are about impossible to come up with.
She has only done what was asked of her, post a photo of the egg. Now she has done that and of course now some people do not believe it is from that animal. I thought that would happen as soon as pictures were asked to be provided.
Sometimes things can't be fully proven. Just need to look at the whole picture I guess