Bad Guy RobbieHamper(elegantreptileimages)

[Crestedlovely]

She cannot. It will remain a question unanswered and not proven.
The other thing that sort of bothered me is the fact that she bought a defective critter and apparently did not even take it out of its deli cup to check it all out.
If I was buying a defective critter I'd look at it real close. But that's just me.

Keep in mind that if she is fairly new to keeping and has never bred before, it's entirely possible that she simply didn't know what to look for. When I first started out, I would never have been able to tell a fat gecko from a gravid one. If anything, I would think that her being gravid would have made the gecko look to be healthier than she was simply because she would not have looked so thin. Being told by a vendor that has said she's been in the hobby a long time that the only issue with the gecko is a "defective tail" it would be very easy to be misled. I have no doubt that the OP will be much more careful in future purchases.

 

[dragonlvr64]

Keep in mind that if she is fairly new to keeping and has never bred before, it's entirely possible that she simply didn't know what to look for. When I first started out, I would never have been able to tell a fat gecko from a gravid one. If anything, I would think that her being gravid would have made the gecko look to be healthier than she was simply because she would not have looked so thin. Being told by a vendor that has said she's been in the hobby a long time that the only issue with the gecko is a "defective tail" it would be very easy to be misled. I have no doubt that the OP will be much more careful in future purchases.

I do agree. Forever in the industry, plus a book to her name sitting right on the table. It is a false sense of trust I think.

 

[Bash]

And if you've all Noticed, Robbie Does know this is Here, Most likely Knows how easily to register. She hasn't Contacted me Since The email she sent which was posted on the thread.

I did Reply to that Email.
"I will take down my 'false accusations' but i can send you pictures of the candled eggs. And at this point i'm over being upset, she is mine and well taken care of. I will not return her, the sale was made and she is happy. I'll even update you on pictures.. I apologize for being rude and angry, i get overly protective over animals. She is eating well and is relaxed and settled in, where as she'll stay. Thanks, Ashley Hill."
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On Tue, Jun 12, 2012

and there has been no contact since.



Silence speaks Volume..

 

[KORBIN5895]

Im taking down this post, since i was unconditionally rude and disrespectful. I did have the time to overlook the animal, and failed to do so. and honestly either way i'm happy with her, Robbie made contact with me today, and is obviously hurt and i'd rather not have any of my accusations believed. therefore, this post is bogus, I'm Sorry for accusing ( Robbie Hamper ) of things such as i did. The female is healthy and happy and ill leave it at that.
Good day.
Ashley

I suppose that makes you equally amazing (in a sad way) since you can't seem to read or comprehend what actually IS there.

Excerpt from the seller's diatribe:


The OP made it all up?! If so, she was in cahoots with the seller, as said seller clearly states that that the transaction definitely did take place, and that there was indeed an issue with the tail. Clearly an entirely fabricated situation.

I guess you can decide for yourself. Also I can be fairly positive that the two geckos in the first set of pics are the same one.

Good luck to you all. I am sure you can all make a decision here.

 

[Kaseyy]

Dunno if these little bits of random convo between Ash and myself will mean anything at all, but I figured I would post them. They're screenshots off my iphone.

Pardon my, errr cursing.

Also >> here << is one where I am gossiping with my friend. Ignore all the talk about dog tags (we're dog nerds), I just wanted to include date / time which was allll the way up there. Just scroll down to the bottom, it's where I mention the gecko thing.

ANDDD, to hopefully help settle that the first egg pic was taken with one of Ashley's cameras (the D40) thing.

Here is a pic of my dog that Ashley took the day before the show, with her D40:
click >>http://i830.photobucket.com/albums/zz224/gaboonkill/Maker3.png

And here's one of Ashley and same dog taken by me, with my iphone. Day before show, brown tipped nails. Hopefully proving she was actually here haha.
click >> http://i830.photobucket.com/albums/zz224/gaboonkill/ashnmako.png

Maybe JB can check the picture info for us of the first oen and tell us what it was taken with? I have no clue how!

 

[Bash]

I guess you can decide for yourself. Also I can be fairly positive that the two geckos in the first set of pics are the same one.

Good luck to you all. I am sure you can all make a decision here.

The reason I was so willing to back down in the beginning, was as i've said in prior posts, I'm New to the gecko community. After i had posted the thread out of fear for my Gecko, Being upset and angry, I felt like a Lamb Going after a Wolf. Since she didn't hesitate to say she'd been in the Buisness 25 years. I knew then - i'd jump the gun and would probably ruin my reputation i hadn't even begun to start. BUT, Since all i wanted was answers that i wasn't getting I Figured Giving the Evidence i AM able to Put forward I'd Continue Posting on this thread to give people they're right to make an opinion themselves.

 

[Kaseyy]

Here is a pic of my dog that Ashley took the day before the show, with her D40:
click >>http://i830.photobucket.com/albums/zz224/gaboonkill/Maker3.png

Oh, and in case that first pic doesn't work (I tried to make it smaller and pasted in paint, so that might have wiped out the camera info, dunno) I tried uploading the whole thing to tinypic, which can be found here: http://i49.tinypic.com/2r7ly5h.jpg

 

[Fangthane]

I guess you can decide for yourself.

i'd rather not have any of my accusations believed

What is there to decide? Are you really that badly misinterpreting her statement. She took flak for having the audacity to state that an "expert" who's written a book on CGs could possibly have done her wrong. It looks to me like she felt jumped on and decided to try to backpedal. No one, not even the seller, is disputing that this sale actually took place. Kinda shoots your premise of the OP "making it all up" all to hell.

Also I can be fairly positive that the two geckos in the first set of pics are the same one.

Huh? Did I miss something? Is there some contention that this isn't the actual gecko in question?

 

[Bash]

I edited that one with pixlr or something, so if the properties aren't there, Here's the photo i took of him right before that shot.
http://tinypic.com/r/x5z2f6/6

 

[Kaseyy]

I should mention, Ashley's only other female (named Peach) came from me. I can in 100% confidence say for the (nearly) year this gecko was with me, she never, I repeat, never came into contact with any of my other geckos. I do not let my geckos interact with each other. Unless they are having staring contests with their tub neighbors.

I do believe Ashley when she says the eggs are from the newest female Rye. Not only because we are friends, and I trust what she says -- when I was the one she called up, genuinely freaking out to, as soon as she found eggs. I am 100% sure they did not come from the female she received from me, so that only leaves one other option.

 

[Lucille]

that only leaves one other option.

The butler did it.
Seriously, other options, although not likely, are there.

they're right to make an opinion themselves.

Good insight, I like that.

 

[Snake-Queen]

I should mention, Ashley's only other female (named Peach) came from me. I can in 100% confidence say for the (nearly) year this gecko was with me, she never, I repeat, never came into contact with any of my other geckos. I do not let my geckos interact with each other. Unless they are having staring contests with their tub neighbors.

I do believe Ashley when she says the eggs are from the newest female Rye. Not only because we are friends, and I trust what she says -- when I was the one she called up, genuinely freaking out to, as soon as she found eggs. I am 100% sure they did not come from the female she received from me, so that only leaves one other option.

Thank you for answering the question about if she has other geckos.

I believe those eggs came from Rye & the seller was not telling the truth when she stated it was a virgin. I don't think crested geckos are capable of parthenogenesis, but other types of geckos can.

It is also very telling that the seller will not explain how this could be.

 

[reptile_jones]

The tone of Robbie’s email brings back memories for me. It was that rude arrogant tone that stops me from ever going back to the Columbus reptile show. I wasn’t trying to buy a gecko or anything just seeing if I could get a table to vend at the show. That was 5 years ago so I don’t have the email exchange.

 

[Kaseyy]

The butler did it.
Seriously, other options, although not likely, are there.

Well now that you mention the butler...
I do suppose she could have always scaled a tree and copped 'em out of some bird's nest.

As others have stated, WHAT on earth would she have to gain from crying wolf? She is not looking for any compensation. She just wants to know what the heck is going on.
Yeah, she started this thread and soon after she said to take it down, forget what she said, etc. She already explained why she said that. I don't think she exactly knew what she was getting into when she posted this, and got a little overwhelmed.

We could just keep goin' around in circles, trying to debunk & prove & repeat every little thing but I honestly think this thing is pretty much at a standstill until Robbie responds.


Just in case people were curious-- here is the picture I posted in my one post. I deleted them both out of respect to the rules.
I cuss like a sailor apparently, so needed to block out those fine words.

http://i830.photobucket.com/albums/zz224/gaboonkill/ka01-2.png

 

[leaveittoweaver]

I agree that the OP has nothing to gain from this situation and I do believe she was sold a female who was in fact not a virgin.

I feel since she is new to the hobby, everyone started to question her(as is normal on the BOI) and she got scared and backed off. I believe someone else mentioned this as well, and I agree.

No one will ever know "for sure" that the eggs came from that gecko but I see no reason for her to lie. She isn't trying to get any sort of compensation, just making people aware of what seems to be a bad seller.

And as I stated earlier, the seller mentioned that she supplements with Repashy and feeds crickets regularly. I personally would never buy from the seller based on that fact alone.

Regardless of the female being gravid or not, she is much too skinny as well. We're those pictures of the gecko taken before or after she laid?

 

[Bash]

I agree that the OP has nothing to gain from this situation and I do believe she was sold a female who was in fact not a virgin.

I feel since she is new to the hobby, everyone started to question her(as is normal on the BOI) and she got scared and backed off. I believe someone else mentioned this as well, and I agree.

No one will ever know "for sure" that the eggs came from that gecko but I see no reason for her to lie. She isn't trying to get any sort of compensation, just making people aware of what seems to be a bad seller.

And as I stated earlier, the seller mentioned that she supplements with Repashy and feeds crickets regularly. I personally would never buy from the seller based on that fact alone.

Regardless of the female being gravid or not, she is much too skinny as well. We're those pictures of the gecko taken before or after she laid?

The seller stated she Supplemented crickets with repashy or calcium in her (only) contact with me after the sale at the hamburg show.

The picture of Rye (my Gecko) Clinging to my Hand, showing the kinked tail when shes unfired, was Before she laid. - Then the one of her in my Hand a bit fired Was after she had Laid.

Also She has started eating the repashy after Finger Feeding, She even showed Absolute no interest in Crickets. ( Which i know could be from stress )

But If she happens to have another clutch i don't want her being so underweight, Nor have her get eggbound. I may Try the cool Down & Less light attempt to make her not lay. But in the mean time i'm ordering Phoenix worms on Monday to add to her diet Once a week/every other week.

 

[elena]

I don't know if anyone else was bothered by this, but Robbie stated in her letter:

"Bring the gecko back to me at the August show! I want her back!!!! You are not a qualified person to take care of her and I should have NEVER sold her to you in the first place."

She then goes on to offer the OP a store credit, presumably to be spent on another gecko. She's pretending to take the high road on animal care, but Robbie seems perfectly willing give the OP a new gecko, as long as she keeps the cash.

 

[leaveittoweaver]

I don't know if anyone else was bothered by this, but Robbie stated in her letter:

"Bring the gecko back to me at the August show! I want her back!!!! You are not a qualified person to take care of her and I should have NEVER sold her to you in the first place."

She then goes on to offer the OP a store credit, presumably to be spent on another gecko. She's pretending to take the high road on animal care, but Robbie seems perfectly willing give the OP a new gecko, as long as she keeps the cash.

I agree, that was ridiculous for her to say.

The OP obviously cares about her animal since she contacted Robbie about how it looked to begin with.

 

[Bash]

She also said i should consider it a bonus that she's laying fertile eggs in her email i do believe, but then said it wasn't possible. Why say something like that if it wasn't?
It's no ones business But i suffer from social anxiety; & it being my first expo. I knew all the questions to ask, but didn't get them all out; and at the time Rye did look healthy other than her tail. Then the next day she laid her eggs and it was an entirely different story.
I just don't like that Rye (my gecko) Was so underweight to begin with, and the only reason she looked hearty at all, was that fact of being gravid. :\

 

[Steve Hamm]

Parthenogenesis is not out of the question,as stated by someone else previously.