Roy ([email protected])---- Bad buyer (Beware)

[CDAreptiles]

That was a witty way of saying I know very little about lizards! If you cant see that than honestly I am sorry. I questioned him about what I knew which as I said before came from what I read on online care sheets!

If infact the guy is shy how is that my fault? He took my word the animal was healthy I agree, but at the same time I said the animal was healthy I also said I knew very little about lizards and could simply go by the fact he was eating, running, climbing, etc.

I repeat I am not or have ever been a rescue! I took in three animals from a very close friend who was having a very difficult time in life. This was the first and only time I EVER "rescued" any animals!

 

[critical bill]

I took in three animals from a very close friend who was having a very difficult time in life. This was the first and only time I EVER "rescued" any animals!

Ok Ok...I'll take your word for it.

 

[Jbreddawg]

Shmuck ? Yea probably I just dont see how after he explained it here that the guy can have a beef. I mean, he told him everything up front. If it sent up any red flags , the guy buying should have just left. He had that option. I don't think he misrepresented the animal . Maybe he did , but regardless , the guy knew he was getting a rescue , knew "buy the sellers own admission " he didn't know anything about lizards , AND had a chance to check it over in person ,thus making his own evaluation of it's condition. He just thought he was getting a better deal then what he got.
Have you ever bought something and later decided , damn ! that was pretty stupid of me ! this things a piece of #$% And was pissed ? I know I have. For 30 bucks, knowing what I was told , I personally would have just chalked it up to experiance.
At the most , if the guy contacted me and was unhappy , I would have tried to settle for half and let him keep the animal , if that didnt work, maybe a full refund . But for the buyer to now start wanting extras for waisting his time , now thats just getting stupid cause he's pissed. If you dont want to waste your time then dont go . Like fluffing up a lawsuit .

I have driven hours to look at cars that were in "great" condition only to get there and see a pos . I dont tell them they now owe me for driving there ! I make a decision and either buy or not.
Just my opinion on the way I see it . Jerry

 

[LauraB]

There are more than a couple things....

that bother me about this transaction.
First, Roy did in fact, see the animal up close and personal. Extensive MBD should have been evident by anyone who knows even a bit about reptiles. CDAreptiles has already stated that the frilly was held back until a knowlegable adopter could be found. I suspect Roy really was not all that knowlegable and CDAreptiles is probably a little more knowlegable than she/he would like to admit and also is a bit more than a casual "hobbyist".

Second, Roy (or the buyer) must produce documentation to prove the MBD &/or other physical ailments and return the frilly for a refund.

CDAreptiles has made statement after statement after statement claiming to know so very little about lizards and in the first post stated "I am a snake breeder and know very little about lizards therefore I did not feel like the most appropriate person to keep these animals." yet kept the frilly for what, 2 years ?? That sounds like a long time for someone who has deemed themself inappropriate to keep the animals they "rescued".

CDAreptiles stated in an email "I never claimed the animal was healthy. You simply asked me if he looked healthy and to me he does." yet says in a later post "He took my word the animal was healthy I agree, but at the same time I said the animal was healthy I also said I knew very little about lizards and could simply go by the fact he was eating, running, climbing, etc." The frilly was represented as healthy, period. If it's not, then Roy has to prove it is not and then is entitled to a refund.

Finally, there is this quote from CDAreptiles "Never once did I say I was importing to sell. Sometimes I get something I decide I dont want and end up selling it, but I have never made enough to call it any form of business. Yes I am hoping to start breedig more heavily and turn this hobby into a business, but up until now it is far from that."

This is only one of CDAreptile's current ads (I also have screenshots). Please note the ad states the animals are "extremely healthy with absolutely no health problems". I assume that includes the lizards for sale, lizards which CDA has already claimed s/he is incapable of caring for due to lack of knowlege :

August 14, 2007 - http://www.hoobly.com/0/0/443066.html
"I am a reptile breeder and have many reptiles for sale. all are extremely healthy with absolutely no health problems. all are feeding and extremely calm.
i have too many animals available to list here, but below are some animals i have available along with their prices.

baby captive bred bearded dragons $60
baby captive bred ball pythons $30
baby captive bred collared lizards $25
baby captive bred corn snakes (many different colorations available) $25

if you would like an animal that is not listed above please don\'t hesitate to ask me for it. i most likely will have the animal you are looking for!
email: my email
phone number: (352)281-4674 (if no answer leave a message)."
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There are also current ads for various snakes and lizards for sale at:
ocala4sale.com/animals/pets-for-sale.php
gainesville4sale.com/post/forward-ad.php?id=90972
gainesville4sale.com/animals/dogs-for-sale.php This one is good. Not only various snakes and lizards for sale but an ad seeking rabbits to buy. Not for food, of course, but because "I simply have a lot of room and would like to start breeding rabbits."

zpg.ziply.com/zpg/us/ViewCA.php?idno=97187
arcadenoe.sapo.pt/ads_view.php?id=7796
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In these ads linked below, CDAreptiles claims to be a reptile breeder.
forum.agriscape.com/reptiles/?read=1692005#1692005
www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?p=524584#post524584

Okay, I may be missing something here, but to me at least, it appears CDAreptiles is not only vigorously selling snakes and lizards online (a business?), but also is publicly claiming to be a reptile breeder despite claims to the contrary.

~ Laura Bolt

 

[critical bill]

Thank You Laura. I wasn't much in the arguing and searching for evidence sort of mood today, but from the few ads I scanned on CDA it was apparent she was lying. You did absolutely great in posting all those links.

So Caina or whatever your name is, you just import to build up your own collection eh? You do this for fun and not for profit? You're an importer so you can get the type of species not readily available for yourself in the pet trade?

Sure. We believe you.

P.S. Conveniently...your webpage is down.

 

[Mad4You2]

I must really be missing something...why the heck would you make this thread and post statements like the OP made when you have so many animals actively for sale. That fact, of itself, makes you appear to be lying. Couple that with all this being over the sum of $30.00, makes me wonder, what the heck you were thinking!

Have you read the threads on this site? If you have, then you should have gleaned the knowledge of the incredible internet ferrets on this site. Posting your thread and having all the ads up at the same time is just plain stupid with the regulars here on the BOI.

BTW...can you tell me how you have 60 cbb bearded dragon babies to sell when you don't handle lizards? So are you taking appropriate care of these dragons? The care of Bearded Dragons is not dissimilar to the Frilled Dragon in the UVB and temperature needs....you using that UVB light you had on the Frillie, for how long? Two years? Are the beardies in the same enclosure as the Frilled? Didn't you say that you "needed the space for something else"? I don't even begin to "get" why you even started the thread....maybe it was the case of who gets here first, but the guy that took the Frilled might have gotten here first and then your ads for your "hobby" would be exposed as connected to you?

BTW...please let me know when you can "import" 60 WC Bearded Dragons, will ya? I'll be all over that deal!

Angie Martin

 

[bryanbarrs]

Nice post Laura. I guess I am just too gullible!

 

[Wilomn]

that bother me about this transaction.
First, Roy did in fact, see the animal up close and personal. Extensive MBD should have been evident by anyone who knows even a bit about reptiles. CDAreptiles has already stated that the frilly was held back until a knowlegable adopter could be found. I suspect Roy really was not all that knowlegable and CDAreptiles is probably a little more knowlegable than she/he would like to admit and also is a bit more than a casual "hobbyist".

Second, Roy (or the buyer) must produce documentation to prove the MBD &/or other physical ailments and return the frilly for a refund.

CDAreptiles has made statement after statement after statement claiming to know so very little about lizards and in the first post stated "I am a snake breeder and know very little about lizards therefore I did not feel like the most appropriate person to keep these animals." yet kept the frilly for what, 2 years ?? That sounds like a long time for someone who has deemed themself inappropriate to keep the animals they "rescued".

CDAreptiles stated in an email "I never claimed the animal was healthy. You simply asked me if he looked healthy and to me he does." yet says in a later post "He took my word the animal was healthy I agree, but at the same time I said the animal was healthy I also said I knew very little about lizards and could simply go by the fact he was eating, running, climbing, etc." The frilly was represented as healthy, period. If it's not, then Roy has to prove it is not and then is entitled to a refund.

Finally, there is this quote from CDAreptiles "Never once did I say I was importing to sell. Sometimes I get something I decide I dont want and end up selling it, but I have never made enough to call it any form of business. Yes I am hoping to start breedig more heavily and turn this hobby into a business, but up until now it is far from that."

This is only one of CDAreptile's current ads (I also have screenshots). Please note the ad states the animals are "extremely healthy with absolutely no health problems". I assume that includes the lizards for sale, lizards which CDA has already claimed s/he is incapable of caring for due to lack of knowlege :

August 14, 2007 - http://www.hoobly.com/0/0/443066.html
"I am a reptile breeder and have many reptiles for sale. all are extremely healthy with absolutely no health problems. all are feeding and extremely calm.
i have too many animals available to list here, but below are some animals i have available along with their prices.

baby captive bred bearded dragons $60
baby captive bred ball pythons $30
baby captive bred collared lizards $25
baby captive bred corn snakes (many different colorations available) $25

if you would like an animal that is not listed above please don\'t hesitate to ask me for it. i most likely will have the animal you are looking for!
email: my email
phone number: (352)281-4674 (if no answer leave a message)."
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There are also current ads for various snakes and lizards for sale at:
ocala4sale.com/animals/pets-for-sale.php
gainesville4sale.com/post/forward-ad.php?id=90972
gainesville4sale.com/animals/dogs-for-sale.php This one is good. Not only various snakes and lizards for sale but an ad seeking rabbits to buy. Not for food, of course, but because "I simply have a lot of room and would like to start breeding rabbits."

zpg.ziply.com/zpg/us/ViewCA.php?idno=97187
arcadenoe.sapo.pt/ads_view.php?id=7796
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
In these ads linked below, CDAreptiles claims to be a reptile breeder.
forum.agriscape.com/reptiles/?read=1692005#1692005
www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?p=524584#post524584

Okay, I may be missing something here, but to me at least, it appears CDAreptiles is not only vigorously selling snakes and lizards online (a business?), but also is publicly claiming to be a reptile breeder despite claims to the contrary.

~ Laura Bolt

Hmmmmm, this certainly casts a different light upon the situation.

Some questions have been asked and need to be answered. Until such time as they are, I would like to state that I can no longer defend the OP as stringently as I have.

I do think that anyone who goes to a location, sees an animal, decides then and there to take it, is pretty much on thier own, but if this girl is lying about being a rescue and her knowledge of lizards, well, it just makes a mess of everything.

What's the scoop?

 

[hartsock]

WOW!!!! All I got to say is that you better make sure your underwear is clean before starting one of these threads! LOL!

 

[critical bill]

WOW!!!! All I got to say is that you better make sure your underwear is clean before starting one of these threads! LOL!

Thats true, but you can still leave with some major skid marks if you catch the wrong person on the right day.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

I am an importer/breeder, but that has been to build up my collection. So far all I have bred are a few snakes, but this past year I searched high and low for new animals to import because they have been nearly impossible to find in the states. I ended up settling on some specimens from Africa, Brazil, and Asia. Never once did I say I was importing to sell. Sometimes I get something I decide I dont want and end up selling it, but I have never made enough to call it any form of business. Yes I am hoping to start breedig more heavily and turn this hobby into a business, but up until now it is far from that.

________________________ _________________________

I am looking for a new supplier of wholesale animals for my business. I am considering purchasing from Strictly Reptiles inc. located in Florida. Are they a reliable source of high quality animals?

Any information iwill be extremely helpful and strongly appreciated. Suggestions about other reliable wholesale companies are also highly appreciated!

Thanks,
CDAreptiles

 

[JudyC]

Okay, I may be missing something here, but to me at least, it appears CDAreptiles is not only vigorously selling snakes and lizards online (a business?), but also is publicly claiming to be a reptile breeder despite claims to the contrary.

~ Laura Bolt

'Tis why I call myself a "BOI Rookie" ...

VERY interesting reading there, Laura...and as Wes says, it sheds a totally different light on the subject. It makes me wonder why the OP felt the need to stress certain points as heavily as they did...such as their "amateur status" and lack of knowledge or experience with lizards. If their side of the story lines up as they say it does...what does it matter if they regularly sell other animals, including lizards?

Things that make ya go, Hmmmmmmmmmm......

 

[critical bill]

Shmuck ? Yea probably I just dont see how after he explained it here that the guy can have a beef.

Do you see it now Jerry?

The good news is...you're not alone. Caina just purchased a large chunk of fauna property in shmuckville too.

 

[Jbreddawg]

that bother me about this transaction.
First, Roy did in fact, see the animal up close and personal. Extensive MBD should have been evident by anyone who knows even a bit about reptiles. CDAreptiles has already stated that the frilly was held back until a knowlegable adopter could be found. I suspect Roy really was not all that knowlegable and CDAreptiles is probably a little more knowlegable than she/he would like to admit and also is a bit more than a casual "hobbyist".

Second, Roy (or the buyer) must produce documentation to prove the MBD &/or other physical ailments and return the frilly for a refund.

CDAreptiles has made statement after statement after statement claiming to know so very little about lizards and in the first post stated "I am a snake breeder and know very little about lizards therefore I did not feel like the most appropriate person to keep these animals." yet kept the frilly for what, 2 years ?? That sounds like a long time for someone who has deemed themself inappropriate to keep the animals they "rescued".

CDAreptiles stated in an email "I never claimed the animal was healthy. You simply asked me if he looked healthy and to me he does." yet says in a later post "He took my word the animal was healthy I agree, but at the same time I said the animal was healthy I also said I knew very little about lizards and could simply go by the fact he was eating, running, climbing, etc." The frilly was represented as healthy, period. If it's not, then Roy has to prove it is not and then is entitled to a refund.

Finally, there is this quote from CDAreptiles "Never once did I say I was importing to sell. Sometimes I get something I decide I dont want and end up selling it, but I have never made enough to call it any form of business. Yes I am hoping to start breedig more heavily and turn this hobby into a business, but up until now it is far from that."

This is only one of CDAreptile's current ads (I also have screenshots). Please note the ad states the animals are "extremely healthy with absolutely no health problems". I assume that includes the lizards for sale, lizards which CDA has already claimed s/he is incapable of caring for due to lack of knowlege :

August 14, 2007 - http://www.hoobly.com/0/0/443066.html
"I am a reptile breeder and have many reptiles for sale. all are extremely healthy with absolutely no health problems. all are feeding and extremely calm.
i have too many animals available to list here, but below are some animals i have available along with their prices.

baby captive bred bearded dragons $60
baby captive bred ball pythons $30
baby captive bred collared lizards $25
baby captive bred corn snakes (many different colorations available) $25

if you would like an animal that is not listed above please don\'t hesitate to ask me for it. i most likely will have the animal you are looking for!
email: my email
phone number: (352)281-4674 (if no answer leave a message)."
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
There are also current ads for various snakes and lizards for sale at:
ocala4sale.com/animals/pets-for-sale.php
gainesville4sale.com/post/forward-ad.php?id=90972
gainesville4sale.com/animals/dogs-for-sale.php This one is good. Not only various snakes and lizards for sale but an ad seeking rabbits to buy. Not for food, of course, but because "I simply have a lot of room and would like to start breeding rabbits."

zpg.ziply.com/zpg/us/ViewCA.php?idno=97187
arcadenoe.sapo.pt/ads_view.php?id=7796
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
In these ads linked below, CDAreptiles claims to be a reptile breeder.
forum.agriscape.com/reptiles/?read=1692005#1692005
www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?p=524584#post524584

Okay, I may be missing something here, but to me at least, it appears CDAreptiles is not only vigorously selling snakes and lizards online (a business?), but also is publicly claiming to be a reptile breeder despite claims to the contrary.

~ Laura Bolt

Oh yes !! I see MUCH more clearly now !! Theres always alot more to these threads then meet they eye .

Playing the ignorant game about something your selling works well in the used car business , I guess it can transfer to the reptile industry too

I still think the buyer is entitled to no more then a refund and reimbursement for the vet bill if he could provide proof of such. I don't think he gets money for lost time We all take those chances when we make deals .

But yes Bill I see much better now

 

[CDAreptiles]

Good job you found a bunch of ads I posted...... However as you can see the ads all repeat themselves. They are all for the same animals some of which were mine and some of which belonged to friends. (snakes mine, lizards friend's whose animals were never in my posession). What is wrong with that? Yes I did have many reptiles for sale. I had more corn snakes than I wanted and was looking to get rid of those along with some ball pythons and a few snakes that I bought and decided not to keep. I was also helping many friends sell reptiles!

In terms of ads looking for exporters that has already been explained in previous threads! I was importing to build my collection as has already been explained!

In terms of looking for rabbits to breed because I have room it is absolutely true. Luckly rabbits can be kept outside whereas I WILL NOT be keeping my $500-$1000 snakes outside. So in answer to your question, yes I do have a lot of room unfortunately for me however, that room is outside not inside, hence me looking for rabbits and not snakes!

In terms of this year's sales I had balls, corns, and a few other specimens that I purchased and ended up not wanting. Anything wrong with that?

In terms of extensively claiming I am a breeder....... well here is some news: someone who breeds snakes whether one or 100 (at least in my eyes) = A breeder. I never claimed to not breed anything I just said I dont breed enough or make enough of a profit to classify myself as a business!

 

[Wilomn]

Could you explain the Bearded Dragons and Collared Lizards you had for sale? Origins, locations when the ads were placed, who was taking care of them and how you knew their condition.

 

[Jbreddawg]

Caina , you have to be careful here on the BOI . Although I agree with you as to not owing him anymore then a refund and possibly a vet bill . The BOI can be a double edged sword

 

[CDAreptiles]

A local friend here in town who I sold some corns to asked if I could advertise them for him because he didnt have as much access to a computer as I did. The animals were bred and kept by him at his house. I knew the condition because I had seen how he kept them and they all seemed healthy because they all had full tails were running around and eating. It ended up taking too long for us to sell so he just ended up selling to a retailer like he had the previous years for a little under wholesale.

 

[Wilomn]

A local friend here in town who I sold some corns to asked if I could advertise them for him because he didnt have as much access to a computer as I did. The animals were bred and kept by him at his house. I knew the condition because I had seen how he kept them and they all seemed healthy because they all had full tails were running around and eating. It ended up taking too long for us to sell so he just ended up selling to a retailer like he had the previous years for a little under wholesale.

I don't know.... something about this has me thinking of fish.

Your friend couldn't get to your house or a library. He could though get to a local petshop, for several years, to sell them.

It's plausible, but just barely.

I don't think you owe the guy who got the frilly anything ONLY because he came and picked it up himself. If you had shipped it to him though, I would say you owed him for shipping and the adoption fee.

There is something not clear here, not clear yet, but I suppose it will be soon.

 

[CDAreptiles]

I know the BOI can be a double edged sword the same way I knew I was going to get judged. I have absolutely no problems with that. I felt I had to warn breeders out there of a bad experience I had, like I have seen many others with their bad experiences. I have nothing to hide. I have always been honest in everything I have done and dont feel at all discouraged about everything written here. It is a learning experience more than anything else. Exchange of information and experiences is what the BOI is all about (or so i thought)