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S373 Amended Today to 9 Large snakes from list

Wow, my sympathies to you all, you have a BIG fight on your hands.
I'm outside the USA and haven't followed this in detail, but am I right in thinking that this bans trade across states but not within states? I.e., you can still trade within your state?
Then what happens if you move house: can you take your existing snakes across state boundaries? Because if you can I can see a future for snake couriers who legally own the animal for a couple of days while it's transferred.....
 
Interstate trade would be banned. If you moved to another state technically you'd be committing a felony if you take them with you.
 
Is this a good time to buy a Burmese python?

It seems they are very close to becoming illegal and probably will become impossible to obtain if this bill is passed. What's your take?

Also, on another note I am interested in acquiring permission to quote some of the individuals posting here for an article in a local magazine here in my area. I'm new here, so please PM me if interested.
 
If anyone has suggestions to fight this, let others know we need everyone in on this and need to reach everyone.Its not over we will win this completely.
 
They think i will destroy my beloved pets???, well there wrong and they need to go F**k their selves, bill nelson needs his ass skinned and anyone else supporting this bill. any dog can be far more dangerous than a python, hell i wonder how many horses killed people in the past 5 years. if this passes im sure there will be riots and i wouldn't mind being in one
 
The way our Constitution intended it to be. Each city/township has it's own laws, or lack of, with it's own requirements for keepers & any county/state laws would also have to be followed. I get bit a lot so I don't keep hots though, so I don't know the exact specifics.

Also each state has it's own set of laws governing it's native species.

If you don't know It goes from largest governing power/grouping country,state,county, city here. Each sub set can have it's own further limiting laws but can't make something that's illegal on a higher level legal on the lower level.
 
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So this is totally new legislation in that it covers the entire country rather than state by state? Can't some legal argument be made out of that? How can a python be more dangerous than a cobra?
 
The tenth amendment covers that, that's why I keep fussing about it and the constitution. Also the Lacey Act wasn't intended to be used by politicians, but by scientists.
Our government does what it wants, it has become a fat bloated hypocritical parasite riding on the backs of the people.
 
Yeah, I guess it's better not to put ideas into their heads. I sympathise.
If you guys want to get out from under, the South Pacific is much less governed..... (or is ungovernable - either way you get left alone pretty much...)
 
this is a response from Senator Feinstein

Dear Mr. Chavarria:



Thank you for writing to express your opposition to legislation that would place large constrictor snakes on the injurious species list. I appreciate your correspondence and welcome the opportunity to respond.



As you know, Senator Bill Nelson (D-FL) introduced S.373 on February 3, 2009. S. 373 and its companion bill in the House of Representatives, H.R. 2811, would amend the Lacey Act (42 U.S.C. w 18) to include constrictor snakes, such as the Burmese Python, as injurious species. Under the Lacey Act, the Secretary of the Interior is authorized to regulate the importation and transport of species determined to be injurious to the health and welfare of humans. Currently, S.373 has been referred to the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works. Although I do not serve on this Committee, I will keep your opposition to this bill, as well as maintaining a science-based review process, in mind should S.373 or any similar legislation be considered by the Senate.



Once again, thank you for writing. If you have any further questions or comments, please feel free to contact my Washington, D.C. office at (202) 224-3841. Best regards.





Sincerely yours,
Dianne Feinstein
United States Senator
 
repti-racks said:
Here is the list i found of the 9 added

Indian or Burmese python (Python molurus)
Northern African python (Python sebae)
Southern African python (Python natalensis)
Reticulated python (Python [or Broghammerus] reticulatus)
Boa constrictor (Boa constrictor)
Green anaconda (Eunectes murinus)
Yellow anaconda (Eunectes notaeus)
Beni or Bolivian anaconda (Eunectes beniensis)
De Schauensee's anaconda (Eunectes deschauenseei)
Click to expand...

Ya' know....this list alone shows how much the powers that be do not know about the reptile situation. Besides the fact that none of these species could survive very long in the majority of North America let alone flourish and reproduce, to the best of my knowledge there are no E. beniensis or E. deschauenseei in anyone's collections. They are the "mystery" anacondas that no one can manage to get their hands on. It's hardly ever even seen in the wild. It's so scary to think that folks this out of touch with the hobby are the one's holding our fate in their hands.

Everyone in the reptile hobby/industry needs to help and speak out in some way. There are thousands of us, so let our voices be heard! There are many easy to use websites that inform you how to add your voice to the cause. SO DO IT!

And by the way, if you own reptiles but just happen not to own any of the one's listed so you think that this isn't your problem, you'd better think again. This is just the beginning. Your cute little geckos will be next!
 
quick ?

OK I have ?'s

so is it just the 9 listed

Originally Posted by repti-racks
Here is the list i found of the 9 added

Indian or Burmese python (Python molurus)
Northern African python (Python sebae)
Southern African python (Python natalensis)
Reticulated python (Python [or Broghammerus] reticulatus)
Boa constrictor (Boa constrictor)
Green anaconda (Eunectes murinus)
Yellow anaconda (Eunectes notaeus)
Beni or Bolivian anaconda (Eunectes beniensis)
De Schauensee's anaconda (Eunectes deschauenseei)
Click to expand...

or

is it all the related species and sub species as well like they listed all the species of anaconda murinus,notaeus,beniensis,etc
but they have only constrictor constrictor listed not all :

I believe the way it is written the following boas would be affected..


Quote:
B. c. amarali - Stull, 1932 Amaral's boa Brazil, Bolivia and Paraguay[26]
B. c. constrictor - Linnaeus, 1758 Red-tailed boa South America[26]
B. c. imperator - Daudin, 1803 Common northern boa Central America and northern South America[26]
B. c. longicauda - Price & Russo, 1991 Tumbes Peru boa Northern Peru[26]
B. c. melanogaster - Langhammer, 1983 Ecuadorian boa Ecuador[27]
B. c. nebulosa - (Lazell, 1964) Dominican clouded boa Dominica[26]
B. c. occidentalis - Philippi, 1873 Argentine boa Argentina and Paraguay[26]
B. c. orophias - Linnaeus, 1758 St. Lucia boa St. Lucia[26]
B. c. ortonii - Cope, 1878 Orton's boa South America[26]
B. c. sabogae - (Barbour, 1906) Pearl Island boa "Pearl Islands" off the coast of Panama
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So is it 9 or 19+ listed?
 
If they only list the species name then all sub-species would be included. If they were specific i.e. Boa constrictor constrictor for example then only B.c.c. would be included, and B.c.i and all the other B.c.? would be exempt.

The proposed legislation listed the species name only Boa constrictor.
 
They added the rare anacondas deliberately, stating they felt that if people couldn't get the green and yellow, they would find a way to get these rarer species to replace them.
 
Not trying to throw anyone under the bus but here we go once again with a dog ( sadly pitbull) that has killed a child. BUT notice how differently this is handled versus the one where the snake killed the child in FL. THere will be no national news, no sensationalizing, and already talk of no charges. PLEASE dont get me wrong. I feel for the family and it is a tragic accident to say the least but it is that a accident.
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CONYERS, Ga. -- The Rockdale County sheriff's office says an infant bitten by the family dog has died in an Atlanta hospital.

The sheriff's office says in a news release that the mother of a 5-day-old baby girl heard the infant crying Thursday and found the dog on top of the bassinet. It says she discovered the dog had bitten her daughter, who was then taken to Rockdale Medical Center.

Link: http://www.citizenonline.net/
The sheriff's office says the infant was airlifted to Children's Healthcare of Atlanta at Egleston where she underwent surgery, but that she died on Tuesday.

Sheriff's office spokeswoman Sgt. Jodi Shupe said the dog is a pit bull breed and is in custody of animal control officials. The news release says no charges are expected.

Information from: The Rockdale Citizen, http://www.citizenonline.net/
 
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