puppytoes72
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i found out about a week ago that jojo is positive for adeno virus.today i found out where she came from.for details you can check this link http://www.beardeddragon.org/bjive/viewtopic.php?t=50448
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Michele,
While I am not trying to discredit your information in any way, and agreeing that it is very possible that your Jojo was born with or contracted Adeno at Sandfire, you have to consider it a distinct possibility that she also could have contracted it at Petco. Knowing what so-called standards Petco has for cleanliness and such with their reptiles, it's not unbelieveable.
Again, knowing as little as we do about this damn virus, it's so difficult to get a straight, definitive answer to anything......and I'm sure if Sandfire were to contact you, that would be their answer.
I'm very sorry you and Jojo have to go through this.
While I am not trying to discredit your information in any way, and agreeing that it is very possible that your Jojo was born with or contracted Adeno at Sandfire, you have to consider it a distinct possibility that she also could have contracted it at Petco. Knowing what so-called standards Petco has for cleanliness and such with their reptiles, it's not unbelieveable.
Again, knowing as little as we do about this damn virus, it's so difficult to get a straight, definitive answer to anything......and I'm sure if Sandfire were to contact you, that would be their answer.
I'm very sorry you and Jojo have to go through this.
puppytoes72
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didnt i say that it was a possibility??there is ALWAYS a possibility that things arent what they seem but until sandfire can prove to me that they dont have adeno then i will continue warning people.i am still waiting to hear from them.this petco said that they use one other source but he couldnt even find a file for a delivery from the other company and they keep the paperwork for a year.
Michele, I understand that.....all I'm basically saying is that would probably be the answer you would get from Sandfire. 
Since we don't know how long the virus can live in a unoccupied habitat, it is a possibility, though I find it as unlikely as you that it would have been contracted from there.
Since we don't know how long the virus can live in a unoccupied habitat, it is a possibility, though I find it as unlikely as you that it would have been contracted from there.
Sorry, hit "submit" too soon!
Or.....even if it had been a year since they last purchased from another seller, the last dragons they got from them could have passed it on to the next dragons they ordered from Sandfire.....and so on down the line for the last year.
Like I said, all UNLIKELY scenarios. I'm just trying to give you every possibility that may be thrown at you.
Or.....even if it had been a year since they last purchased from another seller, the last dragons they got from them could have passed it on to the next dragons they ordered from Sandfire.....and so on down the line for the last year.
Like I said, all UNLIKELY scenarios. I'm just trying to give you every possibility that may be thrown at you.
puppytoes72
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cathy,sorry if i came off a little snappy but i just woke up and i havent had my coffee yet,plz forgive me.this is very upsetting to me because this virus is so out of control.i will update if sandfire returns my call.
Believe me Michele, I understand completely......no apologies needed. I've got a pot of coffee ready here if it helps any. 
puppytoes72
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lol,i appreciate that
puppytoes72
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ty laura!well i just called them again and i am now going to post an update thread.
puppytoes72
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update on sandfire
well i just got off the phone with sandfire.i spoke to kevin,their specialist.he basically said`that all beardies have the virus in them and it is only brought out by stress or poor husbandry!!! he states that they are NOT planning on testing.
well i just got off the phone with sandfire.i spoke to kevin,their specialist.he basically said`that all beardies have the virus in them and it is only brought out by stress or poor husbandry!!! he states that they are NOT planning on testing.
puppytoes72
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exactly akeath!!kevin stated that ALL beardies have it and he will NOT be doing any testing.even petco showed SOME concern!sandfire is taking the stand that its fine!
puppytoes72
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he believes that all beardies have it so why bother testing??hmmm,doesnt seem to responsible to me!so here we have one of the largest breeders refusing to test even after i told the that jojo is positive and she came from them.its discusting
Well Kevin is a expert when it comes to beardies. I highly respect his thoughts on the matter. Did you tell Kevin about this thread and to other one on the other site? I think it would be fair if Kevin has the chance to reply to the accusations. Maybe you should call him back or send him a email about it. 
puppytoes72 said:he believes that all beardies have it so why bother testing??hmmm,doesnt seem to responsible to me!so here we have one of the largest breeders refusing to test even after i told the that jojo is positive and she came from them.its discusting
Wrong, your beardie came from Petco, not directly from Sandfire Dragon ranch. Kevin is a expert when it comes to beardies. I highly respect his thoughts on the matter. Did you tell Kevin about this thread and to other one on the other site? I think it would be fair if Kevin has the chance to reply to the accusations. Maybe you should call him back or send him a email about it.
puppytoes72
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i wouldnt consider him to be more knowledgable than wentz or miller would you?if he doesnt feel the need to notify the public that he is breeding and selling adeno-positive dragons,why should i bother to take the time to notify him??sandfire isnt showing any respect for buyers so then what kind of respect do they deserve?you are more than welcome to contact him tho.