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Bad Guy SCAMMER!!! Jay Mcnight / Jason Ciconne/ Franklin Chams Chams/SCAMMER

Good idea to make him put it in writing. It sound like he's trying to threaten you. I don't think you have anything to hide so Jay is definitely looking the scammer here.

Jay: no one will buy or sell to you after reading this thread. Do the right thing and salvage your reputation.
 
One more option I will give you is to send me back all my animals at once and I'll call PayPal and tell them the matter is settled. I will not call based on your word that you will send them back after I do this.
If you would rather have the money than the animals this is a great option for you.
DO NOT SWAP OUT ANIMALS
 
Well here's my part. Hopefully he will add his.
 

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Well that's ok too. He can be banned and still text me. He still hasn't replied to my texts and he did stop trying to call me. I hope we can pick up the conversation on text eventually.
I will keep this thread updated if he decides to just go on the record. Phone calls are pretty much useless to me.
 
Craig, I hate that this has happened to you.

In the future, always send invoices & do not take split payments.


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Snake-Queen said:
Craig, I hate that this has happened to you.

In the future, always send invoices & do not take split payments.


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Thanks.
That's more good advice too. Invoices and no split payments. People keep the advice coming. I am all ears. If nothing monetarily comes from this atleast I have a ton of good advise to use in the future to help this from not happening again. Or atleast keep it to a minimum.
Usually something good comes out of something bad. I'll take whatever I can get.
 
Hey Craig, I'm new to FC and I've never bought or sold a reptile through here, but I have a question. Why can't you go after this guy criminally? He has stolen your merchandise! I'm in Florida, but here if the value of the item is over $300, then, This theft becomes a FELONY! Our theft statute reads: to willfully either permanently or temporarily deprive a person of the possession or use of an item. That is exactly what happened to you. I do not know the implications of an interstate transaction, but since you have his address, name and picture.... Why not try contacting his local police department and make a report? You seem to have ample evidence to prove up a theft!


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I think I will let someone more educated in what your talking about answer your question. This has been discussed before in many other bad guy threads. All I know is there is a large degree of difficulty to it.
 
Unfortunately you are correct Craig, although we now live in a vast internet connected cyber world it seems the authorities are unable or unwilling to enter same said cyber world to pursue these criminals for what they see as small amounts.
Although somewhat straightforward in SOME states if it is a same state transaction, once it becomes interstate it becomes a whole legislative mess.
THIS is the reason I feel that most scammers can and do keep getting away with bs like this and keep repeating it on new victims
Which is just ONE reason the BOI is so darn effective and maybe could just save some fresh victim from actually being a victim.
Great work by all at Fauna I say!
 
Well, if it helps, I am a criminal attorney. Albeit in state court (Florida), but I can't think that a knock on the door from his local sheriff wouldn't "encourage" him to work with you, further I am sure that returning your items or paying would be much better than a criminal conviction?!


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I can't figure out how to attach a screen shot to a pm. So I'll just post it here to answer someone's question from a pm.
There is no place to put a name in for the card holder when you do a CC charge manually. All that is required is the card numbers and the zipcode. That's it.
This is the PayPal Here app.
 

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Holy cow man.. I'm just a little 14 year old, but this needs to be checked out by someone! Like daNG. He obviously isn't very smart.. From the scamming to the grammar to the sheer derp. Dude, I wish you luck.
 
cgcassano said:
prove up a theft!
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I'm thinking that there may be some barriers in obtaining a theft conviction. Theft requires that you prove all the elements beyond a reasonable doubt. The element of intent has to have been there from the beginning and one has to prove that. If someone gets the property of another and only later decides to keep it, that is not theft, but perhaps conversion.
See how neatly Jay sets up a defense by saying, after he received the critters, that they have MBD. Because there were no pictures of the critters by the seller at the time of sale, those who are listening to the account of what happened in order to decide the case may believe there might have been MBD, and therefore there may be a reasonable doubt that there was an initial intent to deprive, and the idea to deprive came about only after Jay saw the alleged MBD.
I'm certainly not standing up for Jay, I'm just pointing out that I think there may be some practical problems here getting a theft conviction.
And of course there is still the unauthorized use to work through.
 
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He had paid me $300 the past night and is talking again about paying me more but can't seem to get his card to work. So he said just charge it for $500 the same way you did last night. Well I did and it went through no problem at all. At that point he owed me only $150 so I was finally comfortable that it all wasn't for nothing. We hang up the phone and I log into my PayPal account and guess what he conviently forgot to tell me on the phone. He did a freakin charge back for the first $300 from the night before!! So I contact him and say you need to undo your charge back for the $300. He plays stupid and acts like he has no clue what I'm talking about. He said he never filed a chargeback and had no clue how this happened. Well he called PayPal and pretty quickly the money was back in my account.
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I would think the fact that he did one charge back before he even finished paying shows he had intent to steal from Craig. Plus his reason for doing the charge backs was unauthorized use not the MBD. I'd think just like Craig would have to prove intent that Jay would have to prove they actually have MBD and that's going to be difficult without pictures prior to shipping, how can he prove the ones with MBD are the same animals Craig sent him. The whole criminal thing just sounds like it will be a never ending back and forth. Just take him to small claims court and get a judgement so if he ever works they can deduct it from his check and if he doesn't work it will forever be a negative mark on his credit score.
 
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Plus his reason for doing the charge backs was unauthorized use
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Unauthorized use is a powerful consumer tool and can be difficult to fight. So, as you pointed out, it is separate from the MBD, and as such, provides an entirely different and additional defense.
It might be difficult to prove the requisite initial intent required for theft if there is a claim that the transaction was unauthorized.
I'm not saying the barriers are insurmountable, but I'm saying there are substantial difficulties, in my opinion.
 
Craig, I also suggest getting the square app to accept CC over the phone; there are various other protections that PP doesn't offer. It can be linked to your bank & deposits are usually made within 2-3 days.

The problem with manual input of the CC is you do not have the physical card to look at & ask questions about. It is easier for the cardholder to claim unauthorized use.


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Craig, I also suggest getting the square app to accept CC over the phone; there are various other protections that PP doesn't offer. It can be linked to your bank & deposits are usually made within 2-3 days.
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I spoke with another vendor about switching from PP to Square recently and he mentioned that Square wouldn't accept his business for live animal transactions.

PlusByEMS might, they accepted my firearm business where Square wouldn't.
 
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