Bad Guy sick reptiles from duron and matt

[FroggyCrazy]

I've never posted or replied to a bad guy boi (thankfully) but yikes! I really think it's pretty sad that people will take the time to read bad guy posts that really don't have anything to do with them but when the man accused of being a bad guy is called to the thread, he's torn apart and picked on for nothing other than his run on sentences? I'm not the English vocabulary Guru but I don't believe It's really that hard to follow if you take the time to try and do so.

From what I'm reading, Duron took a few breeding loans from Matt but other than that they weren't "partners" really. From what Duron was saying, he never even followed through with actually breeding any of Matt's animals once he found out that Matt was up to no good. Breeder loans happen all the time even if the people don't really know each other, so I think what Duron is saying is believable? If you did a breeder loan with me and I suddenly went rogue and started selling sick animals, should YOU be held responsible for something that I did? I personally don't think so....but that's just my opinion.

~Crystal Borsch~

 

[Fangthane]

I've never posted or replied to a bad guy boi (thankfully) but yikes! I really think it's pretty sad that people will take the time to read bad guy posts that really don't have anything to do with them but when the man accused of being a bad guy is called to the thread, he's torn apart and picked on for nothing other than his run on sentences? I'm not the English vocabulary Guru but I don't believe It's really that hard to follow if you take the time to try and do so.

Based on the bold text, I have to assume that you have very little understanding of just how the BOI works. It's often the outside observers that find the devils hiding in the details. There's also a reasonably affective peer pressure aspect that wouldn't work very well without our peers being actively involved in the process.

Regarding his laughably inadequate writing ability, there are some of us who may be inclined to extrapolate that perceived lack of intelligence and attention to detail into other aspects of his life. If he puts so little effort into projecting some semblance of professionalism in his writings, who's to say that his husbandry practices don't reflect that same lack of effort? I'm sure we'd all prefer to buy animals that we have reason to believe have received the best possible care.

From what I'm reading, Duron took a few breeding loans from Matt but other than that they weren't "partners" really. From what Duron was saying, he never even followed through with actually breeding any of Matt's animals once he found out that Matt was up to no good. Breeder loans happen all the time even if the people don't really know each other, so I think what Duron is saying is believable? If you did a breeder loan with me and I suddenly went rogue and started selling sick animals, should YOU be held responsible for something that I did? I personally don't think so....but that's just my opinion.

~Crystal Borsch~

If we did several breeding loans, openly referred to each other as "partners", and then one of us screwed over someone that the other sent our way, I believe it'd be justifiable for both of our names to be be up in lights. It's obviously not all on Duron, but he does share some degree of culpability, which potential customers may appreciate knowing about. I also seriously doubt that their association was nearly as loose as what Duron would have us believe. Either way, at the very least, it comes down to Duron having actively aligned himself with someone that reflected very poorly on him. Moral of the story: choose your friends and "partners" with greater care.

 

[NIGRO51]

I really think it's pretty sad that people will take the time to read bad guy posts that really don't have anything to do with them

These BOI posts SHOULD be read by everyone in this hobby so that they can avoid the actual bad people AND to know who the good ones are. (the BOI isn't all bad. there are tons of threads with a green check!)

he's torn apart and picked on for nothing other than his run on sentences?

If someone cannot take the time to communicate properly that says a lot about them. I tried to get to the bottom of it by asking if there was a language barrier because that does happen sometimes but the answer I got was no better than the rest of his writing.

I don't believe It's really that hard to follow if you take the time to try and do so.

So you understand that it is hard to follow but suggest that I waste my time and try to decipher it?? If he wanted to get his point across HE can take his time and write an adult answer.


P.s. People do not get picked apart on the BOI for no reason.

 

[InfiniteVoid]

Nigro51-why are you even sayin anything? From What i see youre slandering someone who did nothin wrong. This whole thread is dumb

 

[InfiniteVoid]

Buyer shouldnt have handed over the cash if he wasnt satisfied with the animal. Simple as that

 

[FroggyCrazy]

Not really sure how to do the quotes that you guys are doing for sections of sentences so I hope you can follow what I'm saying. My point was that this is a bad guy thread and it's supposed to be about what he's doing wrong or right in regards to his animals and customers. NOT his ability to type or proper English.

I may not RESPOND to the bad guy boi posts but I do READ quite a few of them. This one was just particulary disturbing to me how someone was treated only because of the way he was typing and then used as ammo to say that based on that alone he must be a bad guy? I don't know him or anyone so far that has responded to this thread but I'm not so sure I'd call him a bad guy for the way he types or even talks for that matter. I would think that taking good care of his animals and doing business correctly would be more important matters.

In my opinion, whether or not he is a bad guy is yet to be seen. However, I would agree that it does take more effort to sift through it all. Also, yes! I do absolutely believe that it's important for people to read these boi posts and reply if they have something productive to add, but I don't believe that this one has been handled well so far..... nor do I believe that it's shed any more light on the subject at hand other than cluttering it up with pages about how he can't type properly. Again, that's just my opinion and I'll leave it at that.

 

[Fangthane]

Nigro51-why are you even sayin anything? From What i see youre slandering someone who did nothin wrong. This whole thread is dumb

preach on with you slandering

I wouldnt help someone out that ran around slandering my name

had nerve to post this and slander my name

You're not in very good company. Maybe you should avoid taking vocabulary lessons from certain people. In the simplest terms, slander is defamation that is spoken; while libel is written defamation. Of the two, which seems more applicable to an online forum? Not that either of them have any validity to this situation, as the person you were addressing did nothing but express opinions, which don't count as defamation.

Buyer shouldnt have handed over the cash if he wasnt satisfied with the animal. Simple as that

While it's definitely a lesson learned for the OP, that doesn't inherently negate the relevance of anything in this thread. His mistake has given us the opportunity to see how Duron conducts himself, and with whom he's chosen to associate himself. Small consolation for the OP's having made the choice to purchase a sick lizard, but some good has come from it.

 

[NIGRO51]

From the original post ...

A month ago I had contacted Duron about wanting to buy a female frilled dragon to breed with my male , he told me that he didn’t have any for sale at the moment but referred me to his partner Matt
I have called ,texted, and emailed them this whole past week with no respond from either Matt or Duron , I lost $400 on buying this female and the truth is that I’m not bothered about the money ,it’s just the fact that they knew they were selling a sick reptile and they don’t care . I would hate this to happen to anybody else so please inform people about these guys.

the only reason I know matt is because of him, and told me that matt was his business partner and that they represent the same thing when it comes to reptiles, so obviously I’m going to trust matt because Duron referred me to him as his partner .if Duron really cared about his rep as a hobbyist then he would of fixed this problem with matt and came up with a solution but nothing was done from his part also, so to me there both in it .

Duron..

...i then told you i had a partner i breed with name Matthew ...
...i remember you wasnt sure if you wanted that frill so i told you if you wanted i can give you his personal number so you and him could workout a deal,
...i told him he could use my facebook to post a couple pics of a couple frills he was letting go of...

I dont see what you missed. Granted the OP should have seen that it was a sick animal from the beginning but Duron clearly said him and Matt were partners so they both share this thread. His terrible communication skills are the reason that this thread has not died yet.

 

[blackzilla]

Lets end this nonsense!

I personally know Duron but I refuse to speak on behalf of any biases.

This is completely stupid that this post is going on.
First off:

1)The guy bought the animal In PERSON, If you cannot properly asses the heath of an animal in person, you should have someone more experienced to assist you. I always take a minimum of 10 minutes to fully asses an animals health and vitality.

2) Was Duron actually there with the animal selling it in person? NO. Was the animal on or in his property, NO.

3)Does Duron have a record of making shady deals with other customers? NO

4) Is Matt an idiot who knows very little about animal husbandry or anything really, YES. Maybe the only bad judgement Duron made, but it is not enough to post a bad forum on him, which ruins his reputation.

I have been in the reptile industry longer than most people on this forum, I have worked at zoos, research facilities, and have bred many types of animals. Out of all the places I have been and seen over the years, Duron takes excellent care of all of his animals, he is actually somewhat OCD with cleanliness and maintenance. He is not a person to burn bridges just to make a quick buck. He will actually keep animals that have been neglected by other owners knowing that know one else will give them a good home.
So please everyone STOP TALKING $h1T.

Always Ahmed J.
Aka blackzilla

 

[RaiCardoso]

To be fair, i don't think I've seen any proof that the transaction was done in person other than the word of the accused. I may be wrong, but i didn't see any.

 

[NIGRO51]

Very first post..

"The next day I was really excited waiting for the female to be dropped off, when he got here I noticed the female wasn’t that active and I asked him about it, he said she was just cold so I took his word for it."

 

[RaiCardoso]

Very first post..

"The next day I was really excited waiting for the female to be dropped off, when he got here I noticed the female wasn’t that active and I asked him about it, he said she was just cold so I took his word for it."

Figured she was just being shipped.

 

[Fangthane]

I personally know Duron but I refuse to speak on behalf of any biases.

Yeah, I'm sure your input is entirely objective. Since I'm instantly curious about anyone who actually knows and would vouch for Duron, I decided to do a bit of digging. What can I say? I have entirely too much free time on my hands.

I have been in the reptile industry longer than most people on this forum
Always Ahmed J.
Aka blackzilla

Oh, really? That's pretty interesting. Cause it definitely seems to conflict with what I've found. I noticed someone with an extremely similar user name on YouTube, "blackzillaaa". I searched through this person's videos, and noticed that this user happened to upload a video about some of the very same animals that you've previously listed for sale here on Fauna: Ctenosaura melanosterna. I also noticed This Video, which is labeled, "Ahmed Johnson and Bobby Carter run into a serpent while bmx riding in the hollywood hills." I noticed that the person holding the snake not only looks fairly young, but also appears to be the same guy inThis Video, which is described as, "Ahmed Johnson's summer time flatland bmx session in Humboldt County." To me, it seems that that Ahmed Johnson appears to be a reasonably young man. That idea seems to be supported by the following excerpt:

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/REPTILE+LOVERS+WARMHEARTED+TOWARD+THE+COLDBLOODED.-a080520245

REPTILE LOVERS WARMHEARTED TOWARD THE COLDBLOODED.
Link to this page
Byline: Nicole M. Campbell Staff Writer
........
Ahmed Johnson, 15, of West Los Angeles, knew exactly what he was getting into as he shopped for another spider to add to his collection. The teen has two arachnids, a scorpion, snake and hedgehog.....

Seeing as that article was written in 2001, that Ahmed Johnson would be roughly 27 now. After seeing This Ad that you posted on Arachnoboards, I couldn't help noticing that you're also into spiders. Unless you're actually going to try to say that you're a different Ahmed Johnson, and that they really are just astounding coincidences, I just have to wonder how a guy in his late 20s can justify the following statement:

I have been in the reptile industry longer than most people on this forum

It certainly appears that your claims are somewhere between exaggeration and outright falsehoods. Between you and Matt/"Brandon", it just seems that Duron attracts liars who are worthy of zero credibility. There's an old idiom that addresses this. I believe it has something to do with 'birds of a feather', and their flocking tendencies. I'll save you the trouble of thinking up a convincing lie: Let me guess...you were filming your son riding BMX, and you're actually Ahmed Sr., right? This just keeps getting better and better.

 

[blackzilla]

To mr Apex

Yeah you are right Apex I have should have revised my sentence and said that I probably have more professional (PAID) experience with wildlife than most people on this forum. Yes I am young but age dose not substitute experience. I have been fortunate enough to see many reptiles in the wild outside of the US. I have worked in Brasil doing carnivore ecology. I assisted one of the first genetic data census for the endangered giant armadillo. I worked for UCLA at a behavioral genetics lab caring for over 400 Cercopithecus aethiops (vervet monkeys). The list can keep going with evidence to back it up, but that's not necessary.

Also I am a semi pro BMX rider, and I also get paid doing commercials, my last commercial was in Dubai for Nokia cell phones. Im in the lastest issue of BMX Plus Magazine, look me up. It takes integrity to attain my skill level and mastery on a bike.

How much cool stuff have you accomplished in life buddy? It is sad you waist time trying to disprove my credibility. Why are you so negative dude? You must be overweight and depressed

I don't make friends with everyone because people most can't be trusted or are fake. but I back up Duron 100%

 

[Fangthane]

Yeah you are right Apex I have should have revised my sentence and said that I probably have more professional (PAID) experience with wildlife than most people on this forum.

In short, you mean you shouldn't have lied to try to appear more credible? Not to imply that your ploy was particularly affective, anyway. Longevity and legitimacy aren't even remotely synonymous. Who would have thought that someone might actually check into what you choose to present? Welcome to the BOI.

It takes integrity to attain my skill level and mastery on a bike.

Yeah...cause we all know that professional athletes are notoriously high in moral fiber. That Lance Armstrong guy sure is a fine, upstanding cyclist. It has nothing to do with integrity, skill is simply a function of practice; or blood-doping, depend on the specific circumstances.

How much cool stuff have you accomplished in life buddy? It is sad you waist time trying to disprove my credibility. Why are you so negative dude? You must be overweight and depressed

Yeah, that must be it. Considering you chose to defend Duron, while blaming the guy that Duron's claimed partner screwed over, it'd be a waste of time to try to explain how my participation is intended to help those who may be wronged by the Bad Guys of the reptile world. It appears that your own sense of integrity goes right out the window when it comes time to defend a friend who's also lacking in that department.

Ultimately, the OP made a poor decision when he chose to take possession of the lizard. However, that doesn't change the fact that Duron chose to claim partnership with Matt and recommend that the OP do business with him (and subsequently did everything possible to eschew any degree of blame); nor does it change the fact that Matt made a conscious choice to sell a sick animal.

I don't make friends with everyone because people most can't be trusted or are fake. but I back up Duron 100%

So true. Case in point, some of them choose to misrepresent themselves in an attempt to bolster their perceived credibility. Now, who here has very recently been shown to have attempted just that...?

 

[kylesfrillies]

i have purchased multiple dragons from duron, never had a problem. the one that sells sick animals is matt but they are no longer partners, matt is on facebook by the name of dunks dunks, and also has a fake name brandon shakur. duron i wish you good luck in all this confusion. and to let you know i will continue to do business with you duron.

 

[da noonsta]

DURON ISN'T AFFILIATED WITH THAT MAN I SHOULD KNOW IN FACT DURON HAS ALWAYS DONE GOOD BUSINESS WITH ME AND PEOPLE I KNOW DURON IS A TRUE REPTILE LOVER WHO DOESNT TAKE PLEASURE IN BAD BUSINESS

 

[da noonsta]

DURON IS A COOL DUDE

DURON ISN'T AFFILIATED WITH THAT MAN I SHOULD KNOW IN FACT DURON HAS ALWAYS DONE GOOD BUSINESS WITH ME AND PEOPLE I KNOW IM NOT RELATED TO HIM IN ANYWAY BUT I TRUST THIS MAN LIKE WE ARE BLOOD RELITIVES , DURON IS A TRUE REPTILE LOVER WHO DOESNT TAKE PLEASURE IN BAD BUSINESS

 

[AlamoAgama]

DURON ISN'T AFFILIATED WITH THAT MAN I SHOULD KNOW IN FACT DURON HAS ALWAYS DONE GOOD BUSINESS WITH ME AND PEOPLE I KNOW IM NOT RELATED TO HIM IN ANYWAY BUT I TRUST THIS MAN LIKE WE ARE BLOOD RELITIVES , DURON IS A TRUE REPTILE LOVER WHO DOESNT TAKE PLEASURE IN BAD BUSINESS

for some reason i thought duron keeps his reptiles at matts, i also know that matt has/had access to durons facebook, and would often claim "oh he posted those pictures those are not my reptiles" on his facebook.

on durons facebook he has multiple pictures of frilled dragons and sailfin dragons on beach sand.

i know duron loves his reptiles but he needs to wipe his stuff clean from all of matts photos and reptiles. and start freash.

i had an issue with a frilled dragon he sent me. the frilly was very thin and was sold to me as a female but from day one i knew it was a male. i could not positively sex the frilly because he was SO thin and had little to no body fat on him. i did not want to probe him or pop him. once he gained weight i probbed and popped him and sure enough. male.

duron is a good guy but he has to stop dealing with matt. period.. and he needs to pull all his reptiles out of matts house (if they are still there) and just start fresh. he can do it on his own. he doesnt need a "partner"

i found this thread when searching armadillow lizards. go figure.
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/search.php?searchid=3007908

 

[AlamoAgama]

i'd like to add. that duron reached out to me and let me know that he no longer has any dealings with matt.

im very very happy to hear this!!

duron is a great guy and always offers good info to any one who asks.

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