• In the past two days I have gotten emails asking about being requested to provide credit card info in order to register and also to make a post in the classifieds forums. PLEASE NOTE: In no instance will this site ask you for this sort of information. The only time any request for payment is made is if you choose to opt-in for a higher membership level, and that is done SOLELY through PayPal. Anything else is coming from a source other than this site. My guess is that this is coming through Google Adsense, but when I can get someone to send me a screen shot of this sort of request, I will know more.
  • Responding to email notices you receive.
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    In short, DON'T! Email notices are to ONLY alert you of a reply to your private message or your ad on this site. Replying to the email just wastes your time as it goes NOWHERE, and probably pisses off the person you thought you replied to when they think you just ignored them. So instead of complaining to me about your messages not being replied to from this site via email, please READ that email notice that plainly states what you need to do in order to reply to who you are trying to converse with.

"Simply Snakes"=simply pathetic

I agree that somewhere around 80% of the time prices may get changed even if they are stated as firm.
I am one of those dorks that will not purchase something unless I feel I got a good deal, I RARELY pay ones asking price firm or not.

As far as this comment
The AD SAYS FIRM. You should not waste peoples time.
This would have pissed me off too. I sometimes get sick and tired of weeding through 50+ replies when not one of the people end up buying the item/animal. But I still see the need to reply nicely.
 
These people need to just go some where else if they don't like my prices. They have no right to tell me what I can or can not sell my animals for,

Rob may have a good piont, But most people try to deal a little bit in hopes of a lower price.

I read lots of ads on here and KS, some I read the whole way through, others I read till I see the price, and some ( with headlines like "pastelish ball or Pastel looking ball") I do not open as I know I will never deal with that person. Either way, when someone tells me I should not waste peoples time, I get pissed, and they will know that im pissed....
 
This is just another example of the undeserved ego (false ego?) of Evan Stahl...

Nobody should ever DARE to disagree with him, he's the grand poobah of herpetology... Nobody had ever have the sheer audacity to write a curt (Yes, curt. Not rude, not vulgar, just curt) response after he demands that they change their prices because he's the GREAT EVAN STAHL... He's been in this business "forever" (which is a damn joke, Evan is actually pretty young compared to the people who HAVE been in this business forever) and he's the undisputed king of internet transactions.

Evan... You don't deserve the respect you seem to think you do, you are not above anyone else in this field and are frankly below quite a number of people... Someone wrote a short response and it hurt your widdle feewings? Get over it, it happens it's not justifiable to try and bash a buisness just because they disagreed with *you* and wouldn't adapt their way of doing things to your expectations.

You can NOT get away with treating people as if there were some ambiguous superiority that makes you infalliable and you should NOT have your temper tantrums excused.

When it comes right down to it Evan... Well, I already let you know what I think you are on another thread and I stand by that comment. Now let the "I'm Evan Stahl, I'm Evan Stahl, I'm Evan Stahl, I'll never do busines with you, I'm Evan Stahl, I'm Evan Stahl, I like to pretend I've actually made some significant contribution to herpetoculture as a way to make myself feel like a big man, I'm Evan Stahl" crap flow... It's your response every time someone disagrees with you.

Heck, it was your response in the email you sent back.

Yeesh, that emailed response from Evan is the kind of thing I've come to expect when telling people not to feed their iguanas dogfood on AOL... Nothing more than a juvenile temper tantrum because he didn't get his own way... And this thread's creation is along the same lines... Pointless... Immature... Crap, written only because he needed to have his ego reassured.
 
Oh Seamus, of course you could never miss an opportunity to attack me. This has nothing to do with disagreement, me or anything else. I got angry because he took a cheap shot at me after I had let go of the conversation in a polite way. If you would like about 100 people to post here that I have bought animals from recently off kingsnake and fauna, to tell you that I sent them a nice email, finished my deal and that was that, ask for it and you will get it. If you want to ask recent customers of mine if I did not answer dozens of emails, take additional pictures and go out of my way for them, do it and they will tell you. I often do all that for the bulk of people who never buy anything. I do not tell them that they have wasted my time. And I do not have to have the last word and send an insult that was undeserved. You just have a thing for me Seamus. You don't know me. You have never met me. You have never seen my collection. But you judge me all the time. You have said many many self serving judgemental things on these boards. many many people have told you what an ass they think you are and how self serving you are but still you are that pot calling the kettle black. Go to hell Seamus. You don't care about business. You don't care about the hobby. You are just another guy who sits hours and hours at his computer jumping into every single thread he can to insult somebody and impose his morality on others. When you earn the job as judge you let us know. Until then go to some conversation between little kids. Maybe they will bne impressed by you.
 
Rich, 600+ posts and you have given me one warning. One post in this thread merrited 4. If it is so offensive please do go ahead and grant the wishes of these people and delete it. I could care a less. Does Seasmus get more warnings for his latest barrage of personal attacks on me? I'm sure I will.

One good thing though, as I have said repeatedly, having a note on the BOI about legislative issues has increased response several hundred fold over having it just on the legislative issues board. So at least this thread is serving a good cause.
 
Scott AXEL,
My bad for typing the L before the E, which turned your nice, sweet last name AXEL into a piece of junk metal that we found in cars, trains, any forms of transportation, AXLE. You know, reading 4 pages at 2:00 a.m., and I don't really know you, so it's hard to remember your last name right. Thanks goodness I didn't type ASSHOLE. You're probably on a plane, flight across the country to hunt my family down, burn my house, and personally hunt the son-of-the-gun Boavoyage down just because he typed your last name wrong, don't you. It's what I assumed, Scott. You see, assume made an ASS ouf of U and ME. So don't assume, Scott, especially if you go out w/ some girl, and you kind of getting a little touchy, and she told you NO. Just stop right there, and don't assume that it's some kind of foreplay, that she says "NO" but doesn't really means "NO". I don't really want to see a Scott AXEL on national T.V. as a "rapist" just because he thought that 80% of women say "NO" doesn't really mean NO.

Evan,
Oh Seamus, of course you could never miss an opportunity to attack me. This has nothing to do with disagreement, me or anything else. I got angry because he took a cheap shot at me after I had let go of the conversation in a polite way.
If you and many people here think that you are polite, nice, etc..., why don't I see an apologize from you? Instead, I saw an apology from Simply Snakes, the one whom you address "pathetic, cheap shot?"
If you would like about 100 people to post here that I have bought animals from recently off kingsnake and fauna, to tell you that I sent them a nice email, finished my deal and that was that, ask for it and you will get it. If
You just have a thing for me Seamus. You don't know me. You have never met me. You have never seen my collection. But you judge me all the time. You have said many many self serving judgemental things on these boards. many many people have told you what an ass they think you are and how self serving you are but still you are that pot calling the kettle black. Go to hell Seamus. You don't care about business. You don't care about the hobby. You are just another guy who sits hours and hours at his computer jumping into every single thread he can to insult somebody and impose his morality on others.
What's the different on how Seamus judges you, Evan, or how you judge Seamus? What's the different between how people judge you and how people judge Seamus? There are no different. Most of us don't know each other, and we solely judge each other on how they deal, how they communicate, how they handle issues through email, post, etc... You email responsed to SimplySnake wiped out thousands, millions nice, politely emails that you sent to people. Your post on SimplySnake and Seamus wiped out all nice politely posts that you have put here on BOI. They show your big-man-behind-computer tantrum, which you have the nerve to call Seamus seating hours after hours at his computer to jump into every thread he can to insult somebody. How do you know it when you don't even know him or see him sitting behind computer hours by hours? And how can you said that SimplySnakes made a cheap shot? Do you think who's cheaper, you or them? You sent them a "sweet" response email, and then came here to post that they are pathetic... How can you call people here like to gang up? I bet that when you started this post, you were thinking that you know more people here on BOI then SimplySnakes, and that people would agree w/ you and take your side, didn't you Evan? Geeeezzz!!
 
Evan, enough please...

I dont usually respond on the BOI but all of your statements have been childish and uncalled for this person has to PROBABLY put up with spam and tons of others emails and is a quite good size breeder/seller and most likely has other things to do besides reply to your email asking him to your emails which WERE friendly but what got me was the fact that you asked them to lower the price AND THEN hold it for you is just crazy that is being totally inconsiderete(SP?) of other peoples time and life if anything they should have told you to pay for the time that they would have to hold it and then please oh please admit it you lied in your first few response as it was pointed out and THEN the antaginism towards rich and the MODS is just plain,,,,well,,,STUPID! I AM AMAZED you can even read and write i ALSO think that your posts are TOTALLY UNCALLED FOR! I stand for one that your post and this thread is DELETED, Rich, Ritchie, Ken i am sorry but after reading this i just had to reply, please delete if nescesery(SP?) please warn me if you must also! Thanks David Hiscock
 
Hey Guys is it really necessary to jump all over peoples spelling and tense use when you are mad at them? Talk about pathetic, which actually means sorrowful. If you really want to get picky then pay attention:
your- as in it's yours- it belongs to you
you're- as in you are- you are a dipthong for getting so bent over this
their-as in their attitude is somewhat lacking in charm
there- as in it's over there by the chair
they're- as in they are- scott and even, they are wound up tight this weekend
it's- as in it is over there by the chair

doubtless there are others I am not remembering at the moment but, that will do for starters.

I happen to know John from Boavoyage, I met him one time. One of the nicest guys I've ever done business with. I seriously doubt that English is his primary language. And yet, he is somehow much more pleasant than several people on this thread.

I think it's, as in IT IS, high time to grow up and quit acting like children.

Wes Pollock
 
It WAS a rude response, if I had gotten that response I too would have been a little ticked, I would not have wrote back in the manner that Evan did as that was quite rude also. Was it warrented? Who knows as that is a matter of opinion. Paul has apologized, Now if Evan can offer an apology than this can be dropped and forgotten. As I doubt either of you usually respond to people in the way that you both did. This thread has gotten way out of hand ( in my opinion anyway ) and would be best left at both parties apologizing and moveing on.
With all the personal attacks and obvious cheap shots that have been delivered in this thread I am quite surprised that more people were not warned though.
All said is just my opinion.
 
With all the personal attacks and obvious cheap shots that have been delivered in this thread I am quite surprised that more people were not warned though.

At this point in time, I have more important things to do.
 
Rob @ RK Reptiles said:
Scott,

On your comment They do not have to explain why they have the animal priced at what they do. A seller has every right to price an animal as they see fit. It is ridiculous that someone would think that the seller has to justify their price or reasoning to anyone else. Again if you don't like a price of an animal then go some where else for your purchase. I get it all the time from people. They don't like that I have an animal priced at what I feel the animal is worth and they get upset because I won't sell it to them cheaper. These people need to just go some where else if they don't like my prices. They have no right to tell me what I can or can not sell my animals for, nor does anyone have the right to tell SimplySnakes what they can or can not sell their Monitor for.

okay.. look at it this way. Evan is a known buyer around here. They didn't even make an attempt at the sale.. thats where my comment as a view from a salesman meant.

Evan didn't like the price the of the herp.. and did not go there. I didn't think that was in question at all. Evan, Myself or anyone else never told SimplySnakes what to sell their herp for.

You seem to be a successful salesman. If someone that is a known buyer asks you about a price... a price that seems outrageously high to someone without the proper information... and you know from this persons reputation.. that he is a buyer.. would you try to make the sale or tell him he was wasting your time?
 
Yes, Rich has more important things to do like money on his snakes. Which I am trying to help him keep the right to continue to do, and he has attacked me for suggesting he do something even though I was responding to his post titled "what do you need me to do". Also, he has had time to single me out and warn me multiple times because I spoke out against him. Sorry Rich. You ask for criticism and then get pissed when somebody makes a suggestion? That is just crap. Go back and reread my posts and your responses to them. You were just as out of line as you are accusing me of being here. How about you play fair and warn the guy who used the word a**hole in this thread? How about you warn Seamus for his off topic comments and personal attacks that can be found in nearly every thread that I have ever posted on? How about you treat everyone as equals? It is always one person at a time singled out here. Adam Block, Neil Gubitz, etc., etc.,. It doesn't matter if they were right or wrong. Treat everyone the same way. This is why so many really great people will not post anything on this board. They do not want to be attacked. Nobody believed me when I said that these posts were malicious but how many of the people who have responded to this thread have maliciously made personal attacks against me? 3? 4? Calling me names. Calling me stupid. Etc.

David, I am stupid? I aksed him to hold it for me? Are you a flaming moron? I told him that I had no problem paying in full for the animal in advance but since he would not ship the only way that I could think of to get it from Michigan to Florida was for him to give it to one of the many people that I know that would be at the expo if he was going. He said he could. Hopw about reading the emails? They have only been posted 3 or 4 times each. How the hell else does that animal magically get from Florida to Michigan you genius? Would you drive down and pick it up and drive it back for me? I think it is only 3000 miles round trip. Do you know David Copperfield? Maybe he has a way to transport it here.

Al, Joe, everyone else who understands this frustration, thanks. Don't sweat it. If half of these people had the same experience with me they would have initiated this thread and crucified me here.

If simply snakes did apologize to me, then I accept and in turn apologize to them. I am under the impression that the post said/ meant something other than "I am sorry that I said that". If I am wrong then my apology stands. I will have to re-read it.

As far as judging Seamus goes, anyone who searches posts on these forums will find that there has never been 1 single time anywhere that I have ever attacked Seamus or initiated this deal of his. There have been, by my count, 4 threads (at the bare minimum, prior to this one) that I have taken part in that he had no involvemnet in and he came into those threads only for the purpose of attacking me. There is no way for him to defend this as it is supported by fact. Go read the threads. The only reason that Seasmus came to this thread was to attack me. He has nothing to add to it except to call me names and insult me. Simple. So if you want to say that he and I are doing the same thing, great. It is not the same and if you can't see that you need to look harder.

I am done with this thread. It is pointless. It was always pointless. How funny is it when people post three page long replies to a thread to tell everyone how pointless it is? It did serve a purpose though as some of you who read this did go and take the first step in fighting anti reptile laws. That is the only thing that I will take away from this. I guess this is the only way that anyone will read anything. I tell you guys the governement is out to get you and nobody cares and nobody reads the thread. This thread just keeps getting hundreds and hundreds of hits though.
 
One last note to make things easier for you guys to look up, if you just click on the warnings that Seamus has been given from Rich, you will see the documentation of him going into threads that had nothing to do with me to attack me. So before you defend this behavior how about you view it's history?
 
One last note to make things easier for you guys to look up, if you just click on the warnings that Seamus has been given from Rich, you will see the documentation of him going into threads that had nothing to do with me to attack me. So before you defend this behavior how about you view it's history?

I call them as I see them Evan, I don't deliberately open threads with the intention of pointing out the times you act like a... donkey... I just happen to see it and don't feel a need to remain quiet about it.

Every instance where I have commented has been, in my judgement, warranted by your posts... My own may have crossed lines and I accept the responsibility for this but I stand by the words I directed at you in every instance.

I do not respect the way you choose to behave and I comment about it... don't like it? Stop behaving like that.

In this particular situation, the subject had been raised about the justification for this post and the response which was sent back to these individuals (which you "accidently" forgot to mention in your initial post) as such and as you were an involved participant, the thread was and is partially about you and your conduct and thus... My post was on topic.
 
evansnakes said:
I am done with this thread. It is pointless. It was always pointless.

Well Evan, glad you finally figured this out! It is pointless, and the bashing in this thread, though amusing is pointless. Simply Snakes apologized, Evan's not going to, so it's at an end. If you don't like how EITHER party responded, don't do business with them.

The BOI isn't here for us to bash people, it's here for researching, and posting about good and bad deals, and for help in rectifying bad deals. Enough is enough.
 
Yes, Rich has more important things to do like money on his snakes. Which I am trying to help him keep the right to continue to do, and he has attacked me for suggesting he do something even though I was responding to his post titled "what do you need me to do".

Jesus H Christ, Evan. That has to be one of the more asinine and uncalled for statements that I've read in awhile. I know your ego isn't hat fragile, so maybe you should consider a vacation.

The fact of the matter is that Rich did not attack you. On the contrary, your own assumptions in that thread could easily be said about you- "the only reason you would respond that way... is because your pissed off about something or somebody else." "I don't know what your problem is with this but you are being about as childish as you could possibly be."

You made a suggestion. It was nixed. Big freakin' deal- suck it up and move on. Or, you can continue to be petty about it. A word to the wise, though-such pettiness is unbecoming.
 
Evan - as this thread is pretty plainly spelling out, along with your getting your undies in a bunch when your post was moved from the BOI (where it is not appropriate) to the forum specifically for the issues you brought up, please do not contact your state or national representatives about issues that will get you pissed off. This is just a word of advice. I worked for the Florida legislature for 7 years and saw first hand how our "representatives" in the capitol act and think. Someone whom gets pissed off at the drop of a hat and then blasts them because they don't agree with them is going to get absolutely nowhere. Matter of fact, such actions from anyone claiming to be a representative of an industry could fatally damage the chances of any constructive changes being made on pending legislation.

YOU are not the kind of person I would want to represent me in front of my legislative representatives. You get mad way too quickly and easily, then shoot from the hip before you take time to think about what you are doing or saying. This entire thread was ridiculous and uncalled for from the start. In the same vein, your getting pissy because I moved your thread and taking pot shots at me over it is certainly something that is very indicative of your underlying behavior when things just don't go the way that you want them to.

My advice if you REALLY want to work with legislators? Hire a lobbyist. Otherwise you will cause much more damage than you would just staying at home doing nothing.

And for the record and quite frankly, what I do with my time and how I set my priorities is none of your damned business.
 
Evan,

I think you said the ad stated "FIRM" as to the $1,000 price. If the ad said then you asked for a lower price - could thyat be considered being rude or be considered that you were being a pain in the butt? Why bother someone who has the price listed as firm and then complain that they will not lower their price to your expectations (which you listed early on in your posts on this thread). The price you wanted to pay (or were expecting to pay based on your idea of market value) was way lower than the 'firm' asking price. Then you have the nerve to get upset for someone being curt with you. Curt may not be polite, but it is not necessarily impolite or rude.

In fact as I would see it, in my opinion, you were the one being rude by asking someone to lower a firm price, then by calling them pathetic, by questioning why they have it listed for sale on the internet when they will not ship it (who are you to demand that they ship it or deliver it to you in order for them to be allowed to post the sale on the internet, they are the sellers and can sell it however they please). You go on and on to, in my opinion, point out how it must be your way or the highway as far as you see it. Grow up and realize that the world is not revolving around you. Sure you can have your opinion on how to sell things, on the fair price, and you can be in the habit of selling one way or another or how to ship things, and as far as how you act goes you can determine when or when not to use manners and common courtesy. But to say someone else has treated you like crap when it seems apparent, at least to me, that you were the one who first acted with discourtesy, well then maybe you ought to take a step back – calm down and really try to assess the situation objectively. After reading the emails that you guys sent back and forth I am convinced of what I am about to say: In my opinion – you are dead wrong on this one from the beginning. I won't even comment on later nastiness, but I would think you owe someone an apology bigtime - they do not owe you squat.

By the way, before you ask - or before you accuse me of anything - I posted this reply because you made a claim in the initial post that I thought was quite unfair and you did it here in an open forum where getting responses from others is the whole idea. This is nothing personal, but if you take it as anything then take it as advice - chill a bit - I started to do it myself lately and life is a bit easier for it.

Best regards,
GlennB
 
RICH

Your right Rich, ignore it and it will all go away. What the hell are you doing to help? I know what you are not doing but now please elaborate how you are helping. If they want to kiss your ass here, more power to them. But the reality is that you put all the legislative issues in the lowest traffic part of your site. Are you afraid to be involved? Do you believe for a minute that governments that are not allowing people to own one animal will let you get away with having thousands? Yeah that will happen. I made a very nice even tempered suggestion to you and yes you had every right to turn it down, but you got an attitude with me that is very clear on your reply. I am not dealing with government officials but since you know nothing about my track record in court you should avoid criticizing that. I have personaly defeated local laws in my city against the keeping of reptiles. I have helped several other states and cities fight. I have recently been in court on the Columbus matter and helping others with it. I started a non profit corporation in the state of Michigan (it is public record if you would like to check) and I went all over the country to gather support and what I got was people who were too afraid to fight and are now losing. Indiana, Ohio, Illinois, Michigan, etc., etc., it goes on and on, oh yeah, New York, now more in Chicago, South Carolina, Louisiana and more. Now I am registering people to gather support for future petitions and votes.

You have a prominent site and choose to not help. Then you ask how you can help and when I try to get you to give it more visibility you refuse. You and Ken can turn this around and make it look like a little pissing match about me but I will keep saying that this is not about me and all of you who are so busy and so important that you refuse to help with this cause will soon only be able to talk about herps on this site (if they let you have it) since it will be illegal to keep the animals. Right now Chicago (same thing that New York did) is banning nearly every reptile. You guys keep doing nothing and keep believing that living in Florida or somewhere else will not be effected. I bet people in Chicago never thought this would happen to them. Make it all personal and I will just go away and your problems are over right? Rich, address the issue instead of looking for a reason to come after me. You will not be in business much longer and there will be no shows in the near future. Are you unable to see that? They have raided shows and driven people out of business all over the country. Do you think you are special and exempt from it all? Keep your head in the sand. That will surely protect you. If you have something to say to me email it. I will not be back to this thread. I am disgusted with this. So just keeping piling up your crap here now that you know I won't respond.

my email [email protected]

Now how about you guys get off your ass and do something that will help the situation instead of waste time
 
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