SnakeSnare.com - Self Explanitory

[Tripple H Herps]

Not everyone views snakes the same way we do.

- Well not everyone has as much brain capacity as we do either. So should that make it right for them to go off killing the more intelligent class?

Do you allow ants or other pests or insects to roam your home because you happened to place your home in their environment?

-If there was a very large ant problem in my house I would exterminate them. However, spiders, an other problematic bugs I simply place outside. Maybe thats because I think they are beneficial creatures?

Some people fear snakes and some, due to religous stories, feel that they are downright evil.

-Please do not get me started on the religious non sense. I do not want to express my views of religion on this forum, as it would only start a pissing match on something completely different. However I understand what you are saying. All I have to say is that those people are stupid as sh*t to believe a snake is evil, & since we all know that they are not. Why should we defend there incorrect and illogical belief??

In fact their are companies that make fishing poles and hunting rifles strictly for the killing of animals.

-I personally do not hunt or kill any animals (except fish). However your point is completely understood. I only think those companies will be getting threatening emails from PETA....etc. Not us. I eat meat and like it. I think the sport of just killing animals for fun is kind of ridiculous. The useless killing is stupid, if the hunter or whatever wants to eat the meat he harvests or is killing to control a population growth then that is another story.

 

[Tripple H Herps]

First off I would like to say that I donot agree with this product or the killing of snakes due to lack of education or fear. But, I feel it is just as bad to send threats to anyone who is operating a legal business.

- I forgot to mention. I agree on not sending threats to this person. It only makes you look just as bad. I am glad you do not agree with the fact of killing snakes. However any defense of this product is shameful.
Thanks, Jim

 

[BriarpatchHerps]

I havent seen a snake snare trap, but is everyone also against rat traps?

Rodents fall under self preservation, I've never heard of a snake chewing up a bag of dog food, chew up stored items for nesting, completely over run an entire residence, pass along plagues and viruses to man and domesticated animals. Snakes may be predators but rodents are a million times more destructive and dangerous to man. Australia is home to seven of the most lethal snakes known to man but the two animals that cause more death, damage and grief to human populations and domesticated animals are rodents and feral dogs.

Anyone can remove two things from their property and they'll most likely never see another snake on it ever! Remove cluttered up junk that the serpents use for housing and store food items in a method that eliminates rodents ie:dog food, grain, farm stock feed
Lacking food and shelter the targeted animal of choice has ZERO need to be on your property. My families home is surrounded by woods and has a creek less than 40ft from the house, the property's been ours for more than fifty years and snakes are occasionally seen but have never got into the house or became a problem of any sort.

I've had snakes escape from racks and cages over the years and have a super high tech capture technique, much too expensive for the average person to afford.

A stiff cardboard box with an X cut for a entrance, gently fold the tabs inward to slightly open the center of the X and set it up where you expect the snake to be with a mouse inside a ventilated plastic container in the box. The snake will come in hunting and wont try to leave as long as he's this close >< to food and if he tries it's still not possible for the animal to reverse the flaps and push his way out. The X will also prevent a snake from going half way in and backing out, try it with your finger on an old box to understand the concept - it works along the same principle as Chinese handcuffs.

I would hate to see the day come that I had to rip off an animals head because I couldn't outsmart it.

 

[Rockford]

Thanks William.....

Rodents fall under self preservation, I've never heard of a snake chewing up a bag of dog food, chew up stored items for nesting, completely over run an entire residence, pass along plagues and viruses to man and domesticated animals. Snakes may be predators but rodents are a million times more destructive and dangerous to man. Australia is home to seven of the most lethal snakes known to man but the two animals that cause more death, damage and grief to human populations and domesticated animals are rodents and feral dogs.

Anyone can remove two things from their property and they'll most likely never see another snake on it ever! Remove cluttered up junk that the serpents use for housing and store food items in a method that eliminates rodents ie:dog food, grain, farm stock feed
Lacking food and shelter the targeted animal of choice has ZERO need to be on your property. My families home is surrounded by woods and has a creek less than 40ft from the house, the property's been ours for more than fifty years and snakes are occasionally seen but have never got into the house or became a problem of any sort.

You just saved me from typing.

Vince-

Your posts really are "off" especially coming from someone that keeps herps. If you would have seen the website before it was brought down then you might understand and have a different opinion, hopefully.

People just need to be educated on snakes. What to do if encountered? Who to call? etc. I hate to see innocent animals killed. It is up to people like us to do the educating. Whether it's with co-workers, neighborhood kids, classrooms, etc. I believe it is getting better.
I live in California and Mountain Lions will attack folks and the media will say that the mountain lions came down into our territory and know they have to be killed. If we keep encroaching on wild animals territories than we really should learn what we are living next to.

This snake snare guy is just promoting ignorance and should be stopped!

Happy Holidays!!

Bthacker

 

[Vince]

the factor is that only people with some sort of interest in snakes will pay attention to the educators. I do not agree with killing snakes I just understand the need for this thing as an alternative to people who use fire arms. I am not one sided. as far as your comment that "he must be stopped" you seem to feel very strongly so how about instead of trying to stop him you come up with an idea for a safe live snake removal trap? or an educational web page or downloadable info sheet on how to trap and remove a nuisances snake, that seems like a more logical approach then a crusade against someone who is selling something that some people may have a practical need for.

 

[Rockford]

Vince-

If you are dumb enough to cause harm to yourself or someone else with a firearm for shooting a defenseless snake then that my friend is what Darwinism is all about. What's worse a dummy with a gun or Rattlesnake at a distance? I don't think anyone is going to carry a snakesnare in their back pocket and bust it out when they most need it!!!

A "practical" need? Someone could get bit by a Rattlesnake using one of these things. Or a harmless snake can be killed. Did you see the website?

And yes I try and teach everyone that I can that snakes aren't really all that bad and shouldn't be considered a nuisance but an animal that is necessary for a balanced ecosystem.

Give me and everyone else a break!!!!

Bthacker

 

[BryonsBoas]

Somehow I don't think the snare would be able to determine the difference between protected/endangered species from non-endangered. If you used it and killed a protected species wouldn't that get the owner in a buttload of trouble ? Not to mention that species is down by one from stupidity.

 

[jenexotic]

So if you think this is ok, then what about cats? I know some people cannot stand cats and think that they are evil,so it should be ok to decapitate them right? How fast do you think that you would be in jail if you killed a cat? And as for leg traps my baby kitten was caught in one of those a few years back so don't tell me about them being safe because they are not to all animals. My snakes are my pets and if anyone ttried to hurt my pets because they didn't like them then they would be sorry!!!

 

[Karen Hulvey]

Humans! Are the most cruel and dangerous animal on the face of the earth. it is sometimes the things people fear!...And don't understand that are the most beneficial to us all. "Snakes" with out them we could not exsist as a species.

Snakes don't hate people....people hate snakes! Again where will it stop!

I agree wholeheartedly w/the above statement. When someone who is afraid of snakes sees one, why can't they just WALK AWAY?
It blows my mind to think that humans are supposed to be the smartest living things on earth yet sooo stupid when it comes to wildlife.

 

[jenexotic]

AMEN!

 

[BriarpatchHerps]

Someone killing a Rattlesnake because they see it on their land in my opinion is poaching, if a guys horse has one in its stall or his dog corners one that's a completely different story.

That device is NOT a tool, it's a weapon. A weapon is defined by its intended use being to kill or injure something, when a blade was incorperated into the design of that thing it lost ALL potential for being a usefull "tool".

Many years ago our forefathers realized the uselessness of trying to educate rednecks, hillbillies and bible bangers so they devised two methods of control - One is the law that's used to deter all of those whose ways can't be changed and the second is school that's used to educate the young before their minds become warped and twisted with back asswards age old tradition and beliefs. There are plenty of country folks and religious types that know to appreciate the natural world around them and that everything we as individuals have no need for doesn't need to be destroyed - for those outside that realm of intellectual thinking there are groups opposed to their actions who speak up to keep them in check.

There is not one single species of animal that has a deep seated hatred for man or that takes every chance it can to attack man but the threatened and endangered species lists prove that man is destructive and often don't try to change until it's too late.

Anytime people don't like something, understand it or are afraid of it for whatever reason they want to kill it. Whether it's a guy using SnakeSnare because his momma taught him snakes were the devils army or it's fifteen rednecks flushing Rattlers from their den with diesle fuel because Jeb will pay $3.00 for every Rattler hide -IT'S WRONG, PERIOD!

 

[Tripple H Herps]

William- You just said EXACTLY what I was thinking. Thank you.

 

[IanV]

No, he said that many neighborhoods believe that. However, more relevant is the statement that the SnakeSnare *CAN* capture a snake but is *DESIGNED* for instant decapitation. The statements about it becoming a standard piece of handling equipment for snakekeepers, like a hook or tongs, is ridiculous.

First off, a similar design is already in use by many people. So maybe a little ducation on the subject is in order here.
And it is NOT a trap. This is in no way a trap! Come on people, brighten up a little. It is similar to most snare poles used by animal control. I have used it many times to move rattlesnakes when I have not had a hook available for whatever reasons. It caused absolutely no harm to the rattlesnakes, and all were relocated sucessfully.

For those that piss a fit about a snake dying, do you care about deer or elk dying? I would assume that most of us here hunt in some way, and some people hunt rattlesnakes. Is it right? In some cases, yes. I don't believe in the mass killing of roundups, but I also feel people have the right to kill a rattlesnake if they feel the need.
I can't believe that you have the nerve to call me a redneck, when most of you are the most arrogant, uninformed people I have ever had to meet.

Ian van Natter

 

[IanV]

Vince

The only way this device could coneivably be used for relocation would be to control the amount of pressure used when tightening the noose. Since this would still put a sharp metal wire against the animals neck it would be ridiculously imprecise at best.

This device was designed to decapitate snakes and for no other reason plain and simple. While I agree that threatening Emails to the manufacturer are out of line, I am firmly behind inundating him with as many civilly worded negative Emails.

I personally forwarded a link to his website to PETA, the SPCA and the Humane Society the day this thread was started. Wouldn't it be a coup to get those three to work in the industy's favor for once?.

At least in the 6 he sent me, it is NOT a sharp metal wire pulled against the neck. In fact, you would have to pull pretty hard on it to even brake skin on most reptiles. Like I have already pointed out, I have relocated rattlesnakes with Snake Snares many times, and all were not harmful to the snake. Had the DWR been called in, the snake would have been killed immediatley.

Ian van Natter

 

[IanV]

Also, as for showing this thread to PeTa. I hate to inform you, but you are just adding fire to their anti reptile policy. They are as against us keeping reptiles and they are against people owning ANY animal what so ever.
I still find it amazing that John and I are the ignorant ones here. At least we aren't the ones sending death threats through the internet.

Ian van Natter

 

[IanV]

http://tongs.com/shop/index.php?GrID=31&PrID=32
Wow, look at that. A company we all love makes a product that is the exact same! Why isn't everone threatening Midwest?
Come on people, some people do not like snakes and they have every right not to like snakes. Why I dont like this for killing snakes (as I have discussed with John when he first contacted me), this is useful for moving snakes as well. I actually prefer it for moving rattlesnakes (which is illegal in Utah, but it beats them being killed by an officer) to my hook since I am able to stay farther away from the venomous end of the snake.

Ian van Natter

 

[IanV]

And before this gets even more out of hand:
I mean no disrespect to ANYONE involved in this thread and I in no way mean anything as a personaly insult (unless I actually name you, in which case I would mean it )
I think some of your opinions are over the top, but I have a feeling I am viewed the same way.
Just know this about the product: I am doing what I can to make this a safe and useful tool for people to remove snakes without harm. While I have eaten rattlersnake before, I don't really think people should be out killing them for no reason at all (being scared falls into the no reason category). Like I have said many times, I have used this to (illegally) relocate rattlesnakes here in Utah so they avoid being killed. (It is against the law here in utah to touch a rattler)
While I still rely on my hook, I won't hesitate to use the snare if I have to.
And so people can understand this: I do not kill the snakes. ALL are relocated safely. I also do not condone people going out to kill snakes for any reason what so ever.
As most have stated, polite emails pointing out why this is wrong would have been best, and I am sure almost everyone did send polite ones. But some also sent threatening letters, which has no place in any society.

 

[ms_terese]

http://tongs.com/shop/index.php?GrID=31&PrID=32
Wow, look at that. A company we all love makes a product that is the exact same! Why isn't everone threatening Midwest?

Let's look at that page, shall we? It's advertised as a snare for cats, dogs, and reptiles like lizards and small alligators. It's not advertised as an instrument designed to decapitate. He's not marketing to people wanting to relocate snakes. He's marketing to people who want to kill them for being a nuisance, period. Spin it any way you want, but the verbage on his website indicates just that.

Don't lump every thread poster in with people who are sending death threats via email. I doubt that many of the posters in this thread have done that. Whatever threats were received should be reported and dealt with accordingly.

Just as you feel that people have a right to kill snakes if they want to, admit that others have the right to protest that as loudly and as energetically as they wish. You didn't answer the question put to you about cats....would it be alright, in your opinion, for people who don't like cats to decapitate them too?

I'm grateful that I live in a state in which all native snakes are protected....you know, Missouri, where all the rednecks are?

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

Take a good look as well as a good read Ian. It's not the same product at all. I saw the pic on the "Snakesnare". It had a thin wire that would lend itself to the slicing of reptilian necks. The Midwest product is truly designed as a snare. It has a 1/4 inch cablew / wire. That is more than large enough to be used with care and not do permanent damage to the target animal.

In addition, they are not marketing it as a reptilian guillotine.

There is absolutely no defense for either this product or the inventor's callous marketing claims.....give it up.

 

[WebSlave]

All things considered, I felt that this particular thread would be more appropriate in the Consumer Reports category rather then the BOI. Not that I believe that many people here will actually try out this device, however.