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Snow babies
- Thread starter ReptilianGems
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420Geckos
New member
That is so cool!
Xavier
Photo Man
Nice snows!
bro paul
Bright Albino
Finally Jim! lol
Those are awesome
Keep the pics coming, please. Any albino snows yet?
Those are awesome
Keep the pics coming, please. Any albino snows yet?
joshwilson
The Reptile Company of Wi
Very nice Jim! I love the Gem Snows. Can't wait to get some of my own!
ReptilianGems
New member
Paul,
No albino snows yet, but we still have plenty of eggs that haven't hatched. Why can't the incubation period be 2 or 3 days. lol
No albino snows yet, but we still have plenty of eggs that haven't hatched. Why can't the incubation period be 2 or 3 days. lol
Gregg M
Hognose Breeder
Very nice!!! What are the genetics behind these babies??? Snow X ?
ReptilianGems
New member
Gregg,
This snow line is an Incomplete Dominant trait. To save a little typing, I will cut a paste a couple of things from my web site (www.reptiliangems.com). I also have links to definitions from Answers.com, Wikipedia, and FreeDictionary.com. The links are on my ABOUT OUR SNOWS page. In my humble opinion, most people are going by an incorrect definition of Co-Dominance, which leads to even more confusion when you add the term Incomplete Dominance. Hope the following definitions help.
Incomplete Dominance: When there is a blending of the two parental phenotypes, producing third phenotype different than either parent. One classic example of Incomplete Dominance, is when breeding some flowers, crossing a red flower with a white flower, produces a pink flower. In this case, one allele dominates the other, but only partially, producing a third intermediate phenotype, intermediate between those of the parents.
Co-Dominance: Is when both parental traits are FULLY expressed in the offspring. An example of Co-Dominance often given, is in cattle when one parent has red fur, and the other has white fur, the offspring is born with both red and white fur. As with Incomplete Dominance, a third phenotype is produced, but there is no blending. In other words, the red fur is still red, and the white fur is still white, but they are both present together. There is no blending with Co-Dominant traits. Because neither Allele dominates the other, they are both expressed fully in the first generation. In the example of the red and white cattle, the red hair is still red, and the white hair is still white, but they are both present together (hence the term Co-Dominant). You don't have to breed offspring together to get a Co-Dominant trait.
This snow line is an Incomplete Dominant trait. To save a little typing, I will cut a paste a couple of things from my web site (www.reptiliangems.com). I also have links to definitions from Answers.com, Wikipedia, and FreeDictionary.com. The links are on my ABOUT OUR SNOWS page. In my humble opinion, most people are going by an incorrect definition of Co-Dominance, which leads to even more confusion when you add the term Incomplete Dominance. Hope the following definitions help.
Incomplete Dominance: When there is a blending of the two parental phenotypes, producing third phenotype different than either parent. One classic example of Incomplete Dominance, is when breeding some flowers, crossing a red flower with a white flower, produces a pink flower. In this case, one allele dominates the other, but only partially, producing a third intermediate phenotype, intermediate between those of the parents.
Co-Dominance: Is when both parental traits are FULLY expressed in the offspring. An example of Co-Dominance often given, is in cattle when one parent has red fur, and the other has white fur, the offspring is born with both red and white fur. As with Incomplete Dominance, a third phenotype is produced, but there is no blending. In other words, the red fur is still red, and the white fur is still white, but they are both present together. There is no blending with Co-Dominant traits. Because neither Allele dominates the other, they are both expressed fully in the first generation. In the example of the red and white cattle, the red hair is still red, and the white hair is still white, but they are both present together (hence the term Co-Dominant). You don't have to breed offspring together to get a Co-Dominant trait.
Gregg M
Hognose Breeder
Ok Jim, let me rephrase that....LOL What did you cross the snow with to produce those babies???
That was good info though Jim....
Thanks...
That was good info though Jim....
Thanks...
ReptilianGems
New member
Oops! Sorry about the lengthy unneeded explaination, lol. The pics are from breeding two "One copy" Snows together.
Gregg M
Hognose Breeder
I took a look at your site.... Very nice animals.... I do have one question though....
Does your line of snows differ from that of the Mack line??? I ask this because that is how it sounds and breeding mack snow to mack snow produces mostly super snow babies....
Does your line of snows differ from that of the Mack line??? I ask this because that is how it sounds and breeding mack snow to mack snow produces mostly super snow babies....
ReptilianGems
New member
Gregg,
I get that question a lot. My snows are not the same as Macks. I don't know if anybody has done a cross of the two lines yet, but Kelli is the only person that I know of for sure that has both lines. I thought that would be an interesting project though. Yes my snows have the same results when breeding Het (one copy) snows as the Macks do, as far as one in 4 being normal coloration. I didn't really understand what I had until last year, so this year will be the first year that I have bred these that I didn't do almost all outbreeding. I am really looking forward to seeing what comes of the breeding groups that I put together. Paul, of Bright Albino has some really interesting projects going with the Gem line also.
I get that question a lot. My snows are not the same as Macks. I don't know if anybody has done a cross of the two lines yet, but Kelli is the only person that I know of for sure that has both lines. I thought that would be an interesting project though. Yes my snows have the same results when breeding Het (one copy) snows as the Macks do, as far as one in 4 being normal coloration. I didn't really understand what I had until last year, so this year will be the first year that I have bred these that I didn't do almost all outbreeding. I am really looking forward to seeing what comes of the breeding groups that I put together. Paul, of Bright Albino has some really interesting projects going with the Gem line also.
groovygeckos
GroovyGeckos.com
Nice Snows, Jim. I was actually one of the people asking if these were related to the Macks LOL They look remarkably similar, especially the Hypo ones Jim had awhile back.
I was looking at my Hypo Mack pic, as a baby, and going "whoa, these look like twins to mine practically".
Jim if I remember correctly, you werent able to see my pictures. Here is why I was telling you, they looked just like my Mack X SHTCTB.
I was looking at my Hypo Mack pic, as a baby, and going "whoa, these look like twins to mine practically".
Jim if I remember correctly, you werent able to see my pictures. Here is why I was telling you, they looked just like my Mack X SHTCTB.
Jeremy Letkey
Keeping to myself
Jim, they are really quite awesome. I can't wait to see what comes of some of the projects.
ReptilianGems
New member
Dan,
Yes, I remember emailing you about them last year. I see why you would wonder. Yours does look a lot like some that I have produced. I will know a lot more about my line after this breeding season. I will post updates on my web page for those that are interested. That Mack X SHTCTB is an awesome looking gecko. If you cross that one back to a Mack X SHTCTB, be sure to post pics of the babies.
Yes, I remember emailing you about them last year. I see why you would wonder. Yours does look a lot like some that I have produced. I will know a lot more about my line after this breeding season. I will post updates on my web page for those that are interested. That Mack X SHTCTB is an awesome looking gecko. If you cross that one back to a Mack X SHTCTB, be sure to post pics of the babies.
groovygeckos
GroovyGeckos.com
Jim, wish I had kept a female (accidentally sold the only ones before my other 'temp sexed females' were sexable, which were male LOL). Bummer.
I do have a nice Mack X SHT from Kelli that Ill breed that boy to eventually. He changed quite a bit, this is a more recent pic.
Well hey you never know what will happen, maybe they will pop out something different one day. The "Mack" gene, has actually been found in the 'linebred' Snows too. I think they were Albey`s Snow lines, so you never know. Thanks BTW, I like my boy "Snowball" alot too!
I do have a nice Mack X SHT from Kelli that Ill breed that boy to eventually. He changed quite a bit, this is a more recent pic.
Well hey you never know what will happen, maybe they will pop out something different one day. The "Mack" gene, has actually been found in the 'linebred' Snows too. I think they were Albey`s Snow lines, so you never know. Thanks BTW, I like my boy "Snowball" alot too!
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Very cool project Jim.
Too bad I live in Germany...I would like to have some of your snows in my collection.
When Paul first got his Snows from you I fell in love with them.
Keep us updated on those!
Greetings from Germany, Johannes
Too bad I live in Germany...I would like to have some of your snows in my collection.
When Paul first got his Snows from you I fell in love with them.
Keep us updated on those!
Greetings from Germany, Johannes
Gregg M
Hognose Breeder
I dont know what to think of these.... They are awesome looking.... I have a strange feeling these might be related to the Mack line though..... Only one way to find out.... Breed one to a mack... If you get a super snow, you know whats up.....
ReptilianGems
New member
Johannes,
I don't ship internationally, but if you want to email me. we will see if we can work something out.
I don't ship internationally, but if you want to email me. we will see if we can work something out.