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[JJFOUTZ]

You guys are messing with someone's life/business. IF HE HAS DONE SOMETHING TO YOU DIRECT,...then I would understand the anger. Otherwise, you are a perfect example of what I spoke of earlier. Personally, I think you're a jerk.

The point of this forum is to make others aware of scammers and ripoffs like Bruce so we do not get taken by him and others like him also. Hopefully this forum will be the end of him and his business, some animals would be better off if they were under someone elses care (has been proven). If you can not handle the exposure of people like him than you may have joined the wrong forum.

You seem quite defensive of Bruce and you live in Charlotte, do you know him personally?

 

[JJFOUTZ]

I guess this answers my previous question.

as far as Bruce Eisenmann goes,...I have met the man and talked to him a few times. I have bought some animals from him and they are all doing great. He has always treated me very well. I have read all the stuff on here about him. Some of the stuff, I find VERY hard to believe.

And now that I look it seems that 9 of the 12 posts that you have made here at this point in time have been oriented around defending Bruce. I am happy for you if you had a good experience with him personally BUT are you willing to put your reputation on the line for Bruce over and over again? If so, WHY???

 

[bud mierkey]

Well said KEN!

You wrote,

"I'm all for disrupting the lives of scammers, criminals, and their ilk. The last time I checked, honest businesspersons don't forge documents, ship venomous snakes illegally, severely neglect their animals, pose as dead relatives, etc."

I laugh when a scammer cries about a boi thread!
It makes it all worth it.

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This part is not for ken but it is for big show that was complaining about people ganging up on others here.

We don't gang up on people in the boi the scammers flood the threads with gibberish and false posters using every trick in the book to discredit the person that started the legitimate thread.
If anything the judges of the BOI are very FAIR!
If someone is honest they seldom end up here in a thread.

 

[bigshow]

You guys are ridiculous. You sit here talking about how big of a scam artist bruce is, yet,...he is still doing business. He still has his store. The store, from what I can tell, is doing great. If you guys were totally correct about him,...dont you think he would have been shut down by now? I'm done arguing with you people about this. Cause no matter what I'm going to say, you're going to continue to bash him. Just remember the old saying, "what goes around, comes around." I can tell you though, that some of the posts on here, are totally false. They are nothing more than pure lies! But, no matter what I say, ya'll are going to continue with the bs. Personally, I think this whole site is nothing more than a herp-version of a tabloid. Always making people seem worse than they are. ALL OF YOU NEED LIVES.

 

[Wilomn]

You guys are ridiculous. You sit here talking about how big of a scam artist bruce is, yet,...he is still doing business. He still has his store. The store, from what I can tell, is doing great. If you guys were totally correct about him,...dont you think he would have been shut down by now? I'm done arguing with you people about this. Cause no matter what I'm going to say, you're going to continue to bash him. Just remember the old saying, "what goes around, comes around." I can tell you though, that some of the posts on here, are totally false. They are nothing more than pure lies! But, no matter what I say, ya'll are going to continue with the bs. Personally, I think this whole site is nothing more than a herp-version of a tabloid. Always making people seem worse than they are. ALL OF YOU NEED LIVES.

Why suh, I do believe you have sullied mah Reputation. Did you, in fact suh, intend to call me a LIAR and a Scalliwag? Did you, intentionally suh, INSULT mah PERSONAL HONA as well as INTEGRITA?

Have you thrown down the gauntlet?

Put up or shut up bigmouth.

If you have proof that some of the posts on here are false, then post the proof. If you do you will get a hardy way to go from more than just me.

I however, HIGHLY suspect that you are just a loudmouthed windbag. Allusions and illusions. That's all bruce/noah/harry has. That and guys like you.

How many times have you been convicted of cruelty to animals? In how many states do you have convictions for the same? How many people have you ripped off and how many more are waiting, with sinking feelings in their stomachs, to find out if THEY GOT RIPPED OFF BUYING HETS????

Come on bigmouth, post some proof.

It's almost always the BAD GUYS who think this site is a joke. It's FREQUENTLY the friends of BAD GUYS who come on here saying what a JOKE this site is.

Guess what bigmouth? Y'all are the joke. You and bruce and all the clowns like you guys.

If you can proove what you say, then kindly do so. If not then kindly take your carcASS out of here and don't come back.

But hey, thanks for the chuckles there boy-o.

Wes Pollock

 

[bigshow]

Wes, were you born a jackass?...or was it something you developed during your life? Wes, Has Bruce ever ripped you off? If he has, then I'll let this go, if not,.....well, big mouth,....lets keep at it. I can go all day long with an idiot like you! I love it. As for the hets,.........no one has any proof that he ripped them off. But because a few people started saying that he did,...now everyone thinks it. Again, prove it. so, boy-o.....its your turn now. I'm sure your big mouth will have something truly wonderful to say now.
I'm waiting suh.......come on boy-o......

 

[Stardust]

I vote that Wes and bigshow need their own thread in Hell.

 

[Wilomn]

Ahhhhh, I see. What you're REALLY saying is that you have NO proof to back up anything you say.

Gotcha.

There is AMPLE proof posted in this thread as well as SEVERAL others that PROVES beyond doubt that your pal bruce/harry/noah has lied. There is ample, it means lots in case you were wondering, proof that he has a criminal record including MULTIPLE CONVICTIONS for CRUELTY TO ANIMALS. There is ample proof that he has ripped off many other people.

I am fortunate that I have not done business with him. Thanks to the BOI.

So, now you know the proof is in this site, YOU say YOU HAVE READ EVERY THREAD about him and his dead father, who bruce was claiming to be just a few months ago. Are you really saying that you DIS-BELIEVE everything else written about him?

How about posting some positive proof about him. You know, the stuff you ALLUDED to having because you "know for a fact some of the posts here are false"

Come on mikey, put up or shut up. The proof that he IS a BAD GUY is in EVERY SINGLE THREAD with his name in it.

Prove me wrong and I'll say I was wrong. But I bet you can't do it.

Boy-o.

Wes Pollock

 

[JJFOUTZ]

Wes, were you born a jackass?...or was it something you developed during your life? Wes, Has Bruce ever ripped you off? If he has, then I'll let this go, if not,.....well, big mouth,....lets keep at it. I can go all day long with an idiot like you! I love it

This language and additude is not what this forum considers acceptable. I think that the only thing that you (Bigshow) are accomplishing is that you are a kid that Bruce has made an impression on and you are too immature to care about what you are doing to yourself here. Bruce has been proven a ripoff and animal abuser with convictions to back them up. If you have something to contribute to this thread that would be considered acceptable and open our eyes up to how good a guy Bruce is and how we all have him pegged wrong, have at it. If not, do yourself a favor and let it go.

 

[Mickey_TLK]

Mike

I dont know you, or Bruce, or Wes, and have never dealt with any of you. However I will answer a couple of questions you have asked.

First just because someones accused or even convicted of animal neglect DOES NOT MAKE THEM UNABLE TO RUN A STORE. In fact in my city we have a guy who is opening a shop, that much like Bruce, has alot of "stink around it". I personally asked the humaine society officer how this shop can get a permit to sell animals when they were shut down only 8 mo ago for neglect, selling illegal hots, ect (well thats the going story atleast).

The officer told me "It doesnt matter if hes been convicted 100 times, there is nothing we can do if he passes inspection this time".

As for him not being in jail, well with the legal system the way it is, you can be accused for many years before you face a judge, let alone setencing.

Mickey Hinkle
The Lizard King Reptiles

 

[Paul Fisher]

Bigshow Mike

Well Mike,
In about a year from now when we are proving out the nearly 40 presumably fraudulent het ball pythons Mr. Eisenmann has sold under various business names and false identities, he might be asking you to accompany him to court as a character witness. You are the only person I've seen so rampantly defend this person who has displayed nothing but pathetic business practices and care for the animals in his charge. There are lots of us who have every right to be pi$$ed of at this lying jerk, so you're going to be real lonely standing up for him. If he had any character he would come on this forum and offer to stand behind what he has sold. He doesn't stand behind anything, he hides behind everything! His website is a sickening rant of mis-spelled lies about a local cooperative of over 20 breeders and his PhD in herpetology, yet none of them come forward either to back up the animals they would have produced if any of these people actually existed. Good luck.
Paul

 

[HerpVenue]

. As for the hets,.........no one has any proof that he ripped them off. But because a few people started saying that he did,...now everyone thinks it. Again, prove it. so, .

if they were truly hets.
Why was he selling them under his DEAD father's name?
if they were truly hets..... why did he have to fake a receipt?

If he produced a clutch of pieds like he claims he did

where are they?

hey Mike.
Do you have AOL?
Do you also use comporium?

 

[HerpVenue]

when he was selling "het retics"

why ws he trying to convince everyone that he had all these albino retics.

he even showed us the mother and the daughter retic he produce.

unfortunately both pictures were taken on the same bedsheet. (supposedly 18-24 months apart)
when asked why the same bed sheet.
he stated that he always takes pics on the sheet.

when asked why the snakes had the SAME EXACT markings.
he stopped replying

and as for the het pieds you claim are true hets....

How did harry buy them two months after he was already dead? its okay I know youwon't answer that one or even make a comment about it.

and you were in a thead talking about how people are two faced.
you said they took a tour of bruce's store and then came here to talk bad about him behind his back.

did you ever think they toured the store before they fond outhe was a scammer?

Bruce is no scammer

NEED CASH ,LOOKING AT ALL SERIOUS OFFERS
as alot of you know Harry at H.C.E. has not been in the best of health lately,
we are in the process of buying alot(not all)his breeders.
he has alot of holdbacks as well,as I sort thru,I will post breeders,and holdbacks
as allways,genetics will be guarenteed for the life of the animal,both by Harry ,and my storea double guarentee!
live arrival plus 10 days,
paypal is my favorite,but money orders SENT OVERNIGHT ok
you can call us with Questions,his son will be helping me with the transition,and this years breeding,(803)548-8BOA
here is whats currently available
all prices include shipping !

.4 66% het pieds
600-800 grams (all show het genetic marker)
.2 10/17/01
.1 12/03/01
.1 02/08/01
$1100 ea

.2 100% het pied
1100 grams 5/11/01
825 grams 5/11/01
$3000 on the big one(shes in with our male now)
$2400 on the smaller
take both $4000
.4 100% het pieds
aprox 125-150 grams
.2 6/01/03
.2 7/07/03
$1400 ea or $4000 for all 4
these will be in the store this weekend
for monday shipping overnight(included)

the above is an add posted by bruce about harry's failing health and needing to sell the reptiles.

Unfortunately harry has been dead for at least two years when he posted that ad.

no he ain't no scammer is he

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

C'mon Ritchie... "Not in the best of health", he may have meant dead. That could certainly be construed as poor health.

Picky, picky, picky!


It amazes me that folks keep showing up to defend this guy

 

[HerpVenue]

> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Carolina Reptile"
> > > > > To: <****@comcast.net>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 10:07 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Message about : XLG FEMALE ALBINO


> > Hey,hes gone to bed,we measured her and she is 8 ft 6 in
> > he did not breed her last year,but the 2 yrs prior,I believe she threw 31
> the year before last,
> he realy dint say much this eve,Im not sure he will be at the
> >store
> >or
> > > >not
tomorrow,I think my dad will take him out to the houseboat
> >tomorrow
> > > >and
make
> him relax,
> Bruce

This is an e-mail bruce sent to someone
Look at the date.
Now remember...his Dad died in May 28 1999

I guess bruce....the guy that is so angelic he could do no wrong....
I guess he is angelic enough to influence god to send his father down for a weekeend trip on the house boat

 

[HerpVenue]

enclosed is a picture of a receipt that harry signed in 2003 when he sold osmeone one of his famous "hets"

I guess bruce is so saintly that god lived himenough to send his father back from the dead so he can sign the receipt




you are right. there is no proof that bruce does naything wrong

 

[carl3]

thats too funny...

good one John!

I agree with Rozann...Wes and Mike need a separate forum! LOL. I read through all of their posts with hope of coming across something that pertained to the original story.

so...back to the article...Its funny how...

"Five police cars, three ambulances and two animal control trucks rushed to the UPS store to extract the serpent from the busy shopping plaza on South Main Street."

That must have been quite a sight! It reminds me of an old joke that has something to do with how many people are needed to screw in a light bulb or something?!?!?!? lol. I bet it was a real media blitz too and I'm surprised it did not receive coverage.

At any rate, did anyone uncover who the actual sender was or any other factual details? Now I am just too curious. Either way, can't be good for the herp business.

~Jason

 

[Mickey_TLK]

Dead men on house boats signing recipts for bogus transactions....hmmmm were there any jamacains or hitmen chaseing him. This reminds me of something, just cant place it.....hmmmmm.

O yea, its weekend at Bernies

Mickey Hinkle
The Lizard King Reptiles

 

[HerpVenue]

our original name was digital reptiles,that partner and I split in sept 02,he kept the name ,I became HCE
my SON,Bruce,helped with phone calls and shipping till jan 03,he is now on his own.
he does have some of my animals.Bruce is no longer associated with me in any way
our original hets were purchased localy from a broker known as Rattley reptiles.
we have since purchased 4 pieds,ands 3 other hets
we produced 3 cluches of 66s last year ,from our 1.4 hets,resulting in 4 pieds,as well as 1 cluch of 100%s from our male visual to a normal female(late in the year)
this year we produced the same so far exept on 2 pieds,and 2 cluches of pied to pied
WE WILL NOT REPOND TO ENTRAPMENT EMAILS,WHICH ARE ONES WE FIND BEING 2 FACED AND RUNNING TO THE BOI WITH WHATEVER IS SAID
it is my policy to only post and give pictures of animals which have eaten
we will not ship to ANYONE,regardless of who they think they are,without payment!
we cover genetics for life,
these statments do NOT hold true for either of my 2 sons who are currently in the business
why is my sons record having bearing on me?

the above was posted by harry in July 2003
he died in may 28 1999
it was posted 4 years and two months after his death.

and you all know it really had to be harry.

it couldn't have been bruce.
he is to angelic to do something like this.
nevermind the fact that they had the same IP addy

 

[carl3]

hmmm....

I am so intrigued by the Bruce/Harry/HCE/CRE/whatever the name
It's like a good book...BUT...isn't there already another thread about it?
~Jason