Spitting Cobra shipped UPS out of S.C., who was that shipping hots UPS out of S.C. a

[carl3]

ok, I'm intrigued by the comments Mike has thrown in the mix with regards to providing emails related to the original post/incident. Sounds interesting....BUT, I'm a little confused.... why would it be time consuming to cut & paste then post it here? Does Mike even need MS Word to post his emails here? Mike, what type of PC (computer do you have)? Maybe if you email them to one person, they can post the emails for you; for all to see??? Just suggestions.

Also, as Shanell pointed out, the article stated:

"Peters was given the option of donating the snake to a zoo, giving it up for research or having it destroyed. He chose the latter, according to Fish and Game Capt. Dennis DeAnda."

Who knows how accurate the information is in this article?!?! I no absolutely nothing about venomous snakes BUT what I do know is that if a Zoo or research facility did NOT have anti-venom, its likely they wouldn't accept the animal since they probably wouldn't be able to work with it, right? Correct me if I'm wrong but putting the animal down was probably the safest thing to do from a liability standpoint. Why should a zoo keeper or research personnel have to work with an unfamilar animal that could injure or kill them. I'm surprised that they even gave Peters an option at all. Why? especially if he claimed it was the 'wrong' snake sent. I thought the authorities would make the call in odd situations related to venomous animals. Although, an incident like this may be less common, therefore maybe no one knew what to do?!?!? Who knows! I should have never read that first post b/c now I'm subscribed to this thread and can't stop reading the new posts. LOL. Well, its always interesting to lurk around these posts, especially when people on here come forward or dig up good info or play detective.

~Jason

 

[StinaUIUC]

I don't know about the rest of that....but I'd imagine that he wouldn't have been given the option to give the snake up to a zoo or research had that not been a viable option. There are plenty of zoos that house venemous reptiles, as well as many research facilities.

 

[carl3]

Even if there are plenty of zoos and research centers that house venomous snakes, it doesn't mean that all of them could take that snake. If anti-venom is species-specific, wouldn't there have to be a zoo/reseach fac that works specifically with those cobras, and even then, they probably have limited anti-venom...but who knows...its late and I really don't know what I'm talking about anyway. I was simply thinking out loud. lol. Either way, most wildlife agents probably assume zoo's are the answer to all their herp troubles, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, except when the option is in the hands of a person who may still be implicated in the illegal activity to begin with.

~Jason

 

[ZX11]

I have an "eMachines Mosnter550" computer and Windows 98.

I still have no clue what or where, if anywhere, the Word Document is on this thing. I must repeat myself.

" I know nothing about computers".


I turn it on and go to the sites of interest. After that, I know nothing. I have email through Yahoo and did not know that there is an instant messenger until only a year or so ago.

I can send the emails to someone, but the Instant messages, I cannot send, they are printed out on paper. I blew my scanner up.

To give you a better idea of how illiterate I am about computers, I bought two digital cameras, I cannot get either one to work.

My computer freezes constantly and I don't know why.

I know nothing about computers.

But, I did know to save everything and have done so.

I set up a complete email addres and sent over everything to that email. At one time, I had it so anyone can email me and I give the password to it so everything could be read, copied, if need be. But, the mistake there was that anyone could also delete the letters, so I changed the password. Only I can access it now.

As for the question of why not post here:

There are probably 150 letters in the email, some very short, some very long. The language he used is not for younger eyes and in a couple letters, he wrote in German, Which I have translated to English.

Also read the other posts about him and you'll see where he admits to the debts and the scams.

If someone wants to set this thing up, I will spend the time to send the letters for all to read, but I cannot do it.

Call me dumb, call me stupid. I have never cared to learn the ins and outs of computers, I use them for entertainment and information-- when I figure out what to do. Beyond that, this is a large chuck of plastic on my desk.

I know some of you are thinking I should take a course at the local college to get full benefits of this thing. It has been told to me before. As I have replied, I don't want to know about it and its benefits. I like my type writer just fine and I file things in a filing cabinet. I can find them without a problem. Tried that with this thing and cannot find anything I have put in it. LOL

Is there something in this computer that likes to hide things??????? LOL

Anyway, on with the subject: someone set it up, and I'l send copies of all the letters. I cannot do it, even with a map, plainly written instructions, and a coach. Just ain't happenin.

Sincerely,
Super Stupid

 

[carl3]

My grandfather had that same computer. He had problems with it all the time too. You will NOT find Word on it BUT it should have Microsoft Works, which is a programing to type letters, documents, etc that comes free on it.

As far as your instant message, I have no idea what problem you may be having in that area...I've never heard of only printing them out, unless you are talking about something different.

If you want, you can forward the emails to me ([email protected]) and I'll post them for you. If you cannot, well then, anything else you say on here may be construed as hearsay, especially without any proof?!?!?!

Its okay if you are computer illiterate. Many people are. I think us younger generations forget how some people did not grow up with computers so readily available to access and learn from.

"There are probably 150 letters in the email, some very short, some very long. The language he used is not for younger eyes and in a couple letters, he wrote in German, Which I have translated to English." ~ no offense but that sounds a bit odd?!?! Are you friends with the person? If not, why would he be emailing you 150 times? And if you are friends, why are you looking to hang him out to dry? Something doesn't seem right to me. Anyone else feel this way? Maybe I'm simply interpreting it wrong so PLEASE correct me if Imm wrong.

"Also read the other posts about him and you'll see where he admits to the debts and the scams." ~Can anyone provide a link to these other posts?

Well, gotta run for now.
~ Jason

 

[Thomas Jones]

I got 3 snakes from the dead guy!!
I plan to let a local breeder in NC take one of the females.(my supposed het albino female) and breed it to there Albino male! I have only mentioned it briefly to them. I still have to put some weight on her but hope to prove it she is a het or not this year.
If anyone else has HCE,Digital reptiles,CRE hets and are proven please post or e-mail me at [email protected].

 

[carl3]

PLEASE keep this thread related to the original post!!!!!!!!!!!

Are there moderators that monitor these threads? This thread started with one topic and yet others continue to post regarding the whole HCE,Digital reptiles,CRE atrocities. I cannot pretent to understand others' frustrations related to that BUT if threads are continually taken over by this topic, then people will lose interest, focus, or motivation to post about the other topics.

Once again, is there not an existing thread about CRE/HCE/Harry/etc. ???? So PLEASE post there about it!

THANK YOU!

 

[carl3]

Here is the link to

the appropriate thread about HCE/CRE/Harry/etc/etc:

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31975

 

[Classic Dum's]

Wes thank you, I didnt mean to sound rude and as I said I wasnt attacking you so if I sounded that way I apoligize!

Are you friends with the person? If not, why would he be emailing you 150 times? And if you are friends, why are you looking to hang him out to dry? Something doesn't seem right to me.

I see your point but I get a differant feeling. Correct me if I am wrong but "ZX11" Sounds to me like someone who recently within that past yr or so just started using computers. Got online dabbled for a while then found some sites he liked. Once finding those sites was a spectator for a while then decided to get active and make some contacts. Made contact with Kevin from CA. Kevin played this nice guy upstanding herper for a while with him hoping to get sales. MIchael not knowing anything about him thought hey cool I made a buddy. In time Kevin became comfotable and somehow the conversations came up and Kevin spilled then beans MIchael is currently talking about. Like most of us MIchael probally began to think differantly about him however continued the conversations with him out of curiosity and in time once he no longer had anything interesting to say about his illegal activities severed the relationship. amd now is sharing this info with others. I could be totally wrong and Jason could be totally right but this is the impression I get from what MIchael has had to say about his knowledge of computers.

MIchael dont feel bad about the computer thing. They can be an absolute pain in the rear. All they are is a tool so use it for what its worth to you and nothing more.

Who knows how accurate the information is in this article?!?! I no absolutely nothing about venomous snakes BUT what I do know is that if a Zoo or research facility did NOT have anti-venom, its likely they wouldn't accept the animal since they probably wouldn't be able to work with it, right?

Im no expert and every state, zoo, county etc has differant laws but I know I seen a special once and I think it was on the national zoo and they talked about how it was required by law that they have species specific anti venom on hand for every hot species they kept. it would make sense to me for that to be the same in every zoo as well.

Once again, is there not an existing thread about CRE/HCE/Harry/etc. ???? So PLEASE post there about it!

Sorry I think I kind of opened the door to that. In my origanal post I couldnt rember who SCRE was and I asked who they were.

Mondays are bad days for me but to try and put the question of who the shipped was to rest Ill give it every effort I can to call out there and see if theyll lets us know.

 

[carl3]

Sorry I think I kind of opened the door to that. In my original post I couldn't remember who SCRE was and I asked who they were.

Mondays are bad days for me but to try and put the question of who the shipped was to rest I'll give it every effort I can to call out there and see if they'll lets us know.

It's really no big deal, no need to apologize or make any extra effort to provide more details. Also, I'm sorry if I came off angry or upset.lol. That was not my intention. I'm glad CRE's name came up but I just didn't want this thread to turn into a 35+ page thread on that topic, when there is already one with lots of info. In fact, I just inquired about any updates on that thread since no one's posted there in a while. Its interesting b/c when I read this thread's original post, I immediately thought of the possible connection b/c of the location too. However, no one had provided any real proof or facts, so it kinda got annoying to read others argue about it ...but I'm over it now.

Also, I realize that any and all information about that whole scam is extremely important for potential buyers. In fact, I'm sure some who were victimized wish that Rich would place a banner on this site (for all to see) dedicated to exposing that particular scam/person. Unfortunately, I bet HCE/CRE is/was not the only dealer pulling the het pied scam....they're just the ones that got caught.

Anyway, I'm sorry if I went off in a rant in my last post... I've got too much time on my hands now that I'm done with grad school and got hooked on the original topic. I don't post too often and usually just peak at most threads. I'm just continually amazed at the incidents, accidents and news (related to hots) that repeatedly occurs and gives the already challenging herp biz more of a bad rap.

Oh well, it's late so I better crawl back in my hole.lol

Sincerely,
Jason

 

[ZX11]

Jason-

You are quiet adept at assuming things I see. Let me clear up a few details for you.

I have had computers since the mid 90's. They are not that important to me to learn all about them. I get on it to talk with my kids and visit a few sites. Mostly about motorcycles.

I was appraoched by Peters, whom, I have never know, met, or conversed with- ever. He found my name and email address through venomousrptiles.org. He sent me an email explaining that his wife is pregnant and demanded he sell off his hots.

One more time so it makes a little more sense:

Peters contacted me, Not I contacting him. We had never before spoke, in person, over the computer, or otherwise. Not before then, ever.

Is that clear enough??? Need it one more time, or can you safely conclude that he contacted me??? A smart person would read the thread about this encounter, then talk about the chain of events. A misinformed person would ASSume things.

A smart person would read the thread and draw from that thread that Peters does admit to taking my money, as well as others.

You said that if I sent you the letters, you would post them for me. I think not. You would certainly rearrange them to fit your ASSumptions.

If a moderator would like to post them, I will send them to that person, not an ASSumer.

There are a couple of people on this site that have had access to the email account I set up and have read the letters. Certainly, if I were making things up, they would have said something. Heard anything?????? I haven't.

Jason, I apperciate your concern, but do yourself, me and everyone here a favor. Go read the threads-- All of them, every letter, every word. When you can stop ASSuming what you obviously don't know, come back and comment about it. Until then, don't bother. You are uninformed.

 

[ZX11]

The above post directed to Jason-Classic DUMS.

 

[Classic Dum's]

I assumed a couple things wrong ok cut me a break I see you like to assume things as well. Cosidering your reponce it makes me wonder though. I assume something and defend you when someone was trying to make a connection between you and Peters and get attacked for it. Well maybe the person trying to make the connection between the two of you was correct. I assumed from the way you spoke of computers you had only been using them a short time. I stand corrected

I have had computers since the mid 90's.

I think its safe to ASSUME(yes I am assuming) someone who has had computers for what 8-10yrs should know how to copy and paste some simple emails. Instead of doing so you offer excuses as to why this cant be done. I also think its safe to assume you should have an idea of what microsoft word is, its only the biggest computer program in the world that gets shoved in your face no matter where you go.

You said that if I sent you the letters, you would post them for me. I think not. You would certainly rearrange them to fit your ASSumptions.

If a moderator would like to post them, I will send them to that person, not an ASSumer.

No I didnt are you ASSUMING I said that??? All I asked was for you to post them here. Maybe you should

stop ASSuming what you obviously don't know, come back and comment about it. Until then, don't bother. You are uninformed.

Because no where have I asked you to send me the emails. On page 11 I did ask you to post them however I have never asked you to send them to me should I say it again so we are clear? Or better yet how about we say people who live in glass houses shouldnt throw stones.

If my scanner worked, I would do so, but it was a 6volt unit connected to a 36 volt power supply.

So first its all on paper and you have to scan them now its all in email

But, I did know to save everything and have done so.I set up a complete email addres and sent over everything to that email.

So if you have these in a text format why dont you email them or give the password to Richie Luna he is a mod here and if he has the time I am sure would be happy to post them. I alos thinks its safe to ASSUME most anyone on this site would vouch for Ritchies integrity and the fact that he would post them in order as they are.

So now that you crammed all this down my throat the way you did please show me where within this thread you have stated such untill your last post

I was appraoched by Peters, whom, I have never know, met, or conversed with- ever. He found my name and email address through venomousrptiles.org. He sent me an email explaining that his wife is pregnant and demanded he sell off his hots.

One more time so it makes a little more sense:

Peters contacted me, Not I contacting him. We had never before spoke, in person, over the computer, or otherwise. Not before then, ever.

Is that clear enough??? Need it one more time, or can you safely conclude that he contacted me??? A smart person would read the thread about this encounter, then talk about the chain of events. A misinformed person would ASSume things.
.

That you were aproached by Peters instead of you aproaching him as I ASSUMED. I see no where in this thread that you have stated such.

Jason, I apperciate your concern, but do yourself, me and everyone here a favor. Go read the threads

Back at ya, now that you have taken it upon yourself to chew my ass and assume I somehow knew that peters aproached you when it was never stated within this thread and also assumed I asked you to foward the emails to me I hope you realize you look less informed then I. So next time why dont you take a chill pill and not be such a prick! A simple correction would have been fine but your rude attack on me was uncalled for.

Now back to buis, I called the police dept that handled the case they no lnger have it it has been trasfered to the Ca Dept of Ag. I ASSUMED I would get the reponce I did as they wont comment due to it being an on going investigation and my ASSUMPTION was correct.

 

[bigshow]

CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?!

 

[ZX11]

Let me try this again:

Peters gets my name and email from another site< sends me an email stating he has to sell off his hots, { I later learn he also sent the same to several people} , I send the money, he cannot send them for this or any other reason, this stuff is email and instant messages. I find out about the scam and he disappears then comes back with all sorts of wild stories such as he is police, F&G, FBI, marines, etc. I make a thread about him, him comes on and clearly states that he did take my money. DONE

Now, I do know how to cut and paste. I have even done it. I will not occupy so much space in one thread with the Peters saga. Understand that there are over 150 pages of email alone. Then, there is approxamately 100 pages of instant messages printed.

To clarify: emails, I have all of them on computer, not paper.
imstant messages: I have all of them on paper, from printer, not on computer.
Scanner is dead. That means it will not work. I cannot scan on broken scanner.
I also have the receipt from Western Union for the purchase.
I am NOT- IN ANY WAY< SHAPE< FORM< OR FASHION-affiliated with Kevin Peters other than the crap pile ripped me off.

Word document. ONE MORE TIME. I do not care about the workings of the computer or any of the programs. POINT BLANK AND PERIOD. I never cared about any of that stuff, never used it and most importantly, never heard of it. Am I learning about this stuff??? NO. I do NOT care to. I have enough in my life to concern myself with. It has not been shoved in my face as you state.

If someone I could trust wanted the papers, I would send them. But, They are also proof in my case against Peters, so I would have to copy every page. I do not have a copier. I could use one somewhere, but it would cost about 15cent per page. Do the math.And then to send??

I have nothing to hide, just need someone to post them in a way that will not use all the space of this site. And, even if I could post them here, how and where to do such? I can email them but do NOT know how to post them.

I never offered excuses why it cannot be done, I said I cannot do it. Is this clear enough?

I never said that I posted in this thread that Peters appraoched me. If you would read the thread I started about Peters, you would have the entire story. Once again, go read the thread.


Why can't anyone understand that I do not know crap about computers other than to send emails, and go into sites and read, and make posts. That is all I know how to do. Call me dumb, stupid, ignorant, uneducated, whatever you like but I do NOT know about this crap. I cannot express enough that I do not know about this. I am fuming that someone can be so hard headed and degrading because I do not know. I never cared to, never wanted to. I know some people that do, but I do not.
I just asked if this computer has word documwnt. It does. I do not know where or how to get to it I do not know what to do when I find it. Is this understood?
If a moderator will handle the letters, I will send them in for posting. But, the instant messages I cannot send as they ARE NOT in the computer. Just the emails are. Instant messages are printed out on paper and must be scanned or physically sent to someone to post. I--that means me- cannot do it. It can be done, but not by me. Is that clear????

I want someone to post them. But I don't know who to send them to. Is that clear???

I was just informed that "word document" is a format that I can type the context of the letters. I will not do that because I want the entire letters seen, as they were written by Peters and myself and others involved in this theft. I will not type them and send them in as it could be said I worded the letters as I desired. No. I want them printed, as they written and sent, not second-hand writings. They must be all original, as I have nothing to hide and everything to prove.

Is this clear enough???????? I cannot do it, someone else can, but not me. I do not know how.

 

[ZX11]

My apologies to Jason-Classic Dums. It was not you that asked me to send the letters, it was Jason Carl.

I do apologize openly for the mistake on my part.

Jason Carl: Where do you plan on posting the letters?

Ritchie: Can they be posted here?

Anyone else: Does anyone have any clues as to how I can get the instant messages from print to computer without running up a nasty bill???

Also note that the letters contain strong language from both Peters and myself.

Why did we write back and forth so much???? Because he would dicker about this and that, finding his hole to crawl into. Some of his letters made no sense at all and must have been intended for someone else. Some are not from either of us, but others that he tried to scam. They sent letters to me talking about it. One of which is a friend that I have done business with in the past.

Peters IP address varies, too, as he used computers at the Internet Cafe' and other places. I will dig through my papers tonight and post the other info given to me, at that time, that was relevant to Peters.

 

[Classic Dum's]

I make a thread about him, him comes on and clearly states that he did take my money. DONE

OK and so you assumed I knew of this thread and assumed I had read it?? I did not know of this thread so I did not read it.

I am NOT- IN ANY WAY< SHAPE< FORM< OR FASHION-affiliated with Kevin Peters other than the crap pile ripped me off.

I dont believe you are I was juts making a point about your snide comments directed towards me. "ASSume"

I am fuming that someone can be so hard headed and degrading because I do not know.

Theres nothing wrong with not knowing as I stated prior. If you want to throw around rude comments be prepared when they come back your way.

It was not you that asked me to send the letters, it was Jason Carl.

Ok so with out properly reading the thread and being well informed about who said what you assumed it was I that asked you to email them to me??? I see. Now please do yourself a favor and next time before you jump down someones throat and throw all your cute little snide commnts in over petty bullsh!t especially when they tried to help you make sure you know what you are talking about and dont come off half cocked from a hypocritical point of veiw.

I do apologize openly for the mistake on my part.

Apoligy accepted. Now can we knock it off with the petty hair splitting, attacking each other and forcus+attack the topic at hand i.e. Peters????

Does anyone have any clues as to how I can get the instant messages from print to computer without running up a nasty bill???

Buy a scanner would be the cheapest way. Or see if a local freind has a fax machine with a printer in it. We can make B&W copies on our fax. Any other way would either involve money or sending them off to someone else which shouldnt be done.

As far as the rest of the emails you have in the Yahoo email acount email Ritchie Luna and see if hell copy and paste them. If so just send him the password. Ritchie has posted within this thread. He is a trust worthy person who wouldnt do anything wrong to the acount or emails. He may not have the time to do it I dunno. Those would be my suggestions.

 

[snakegetters]

Make a free Yahoo email account.

Forward all the mails from your current account to this brand new account.

Give a trustworthy person the password to this new, free Yahoo account which now has all the emails in it. They can post them from there.

 

[carl3]

Mike/ZX11,
As far as my statement about whether or not things you said were adding up…I was simply asking for clarification and proof and in no way accusing you of anything. I also asked for anyone to correct me if I was wrong…and I was…but there was no need to reply so harshly. Some of your comments were a bit confusing WITHOUT the proper background knowledge on your past experience with Peters. I clearly and kindly requested the link to the other thread about your dealings with Peters, which you could have easily provided, but you did not. This is simply a suggestion BUT in the future you should provide a link to the other thread about your dealings with Kevin Peters. In fact, there are many, many threads about this very bad person.

I admit that I had no idea until now about Kevin Peters BUT in no way should you expect people to randomly know unless you provide a link to your original thread about him. I try to always look at both sides of any story and try to play devil’s advocate. However, in this particular thread, I did not fully understand the basis for your statements/claims on Peters at first. Obviously, with all the negative posts on him, there is no need to doubt your claims. I have gained more insight after a search on the BOI using “Kevin Peters” and read some of the never ending bad guy posts about him. Once again, there is no doubt after searching the BOI that Kevin Peters is in the top 10 of shadiest people in herps.

Did you ever get your $340.00 back from him? Also, you stated K.Peters was arrested…what ever came of that? Did you ever file lawsuits?

On another note…you also stated:
"You said that if I sent you the letters, you would post them for me. I think not. You would certainly rearrange them to fit your ASSumptions.”
I would never do such a thing. That was extremely immature and inappropriate for you to say. In fact, I thought I was being kind in my effort to assist you by offering to post your emails for you. However, I now wish to retract my offer as I do not want to get involved after you made these comments. Someone suggested seeking help from the moderators...maybe they can post your emails for you.

I am very sorry for your loss of money, as well as pain and suffering from your dealings with this guy. Like many others, I too have been burned in the herp business before and its not fun. However, it is important to learn from it, share with others and move on with the knowledge and experience gained from such negative experiences. There was absolutely no need whatsoever to get so angry and insult people by indirectly calling them ‘ASSumers’. I sympathize with your passion for getting revenge for the wrongdoings committed against you by Peters, but that does not excuse some of your comments. Please try to be more understanding in the future. For those that are interested in Mike/ZX11’s experience with Peters…please visit the following post…as it will definitely clear some things up.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15294&highlight=Kevin+Peters

Jason/Classic Dum’s…
“Now back to buis, I called the police dept that handled the case they no longer have it has been transferred to the Ca Dept of Ag. I ASSUMED I would get the response I did as they wont comment due to it being an on going investigation and my ASSUMPTION was correct.”

I'm sure I speak for many who are interested in this story when I say THANK YOU for moving forward with attempting to provide more factual information in what is a very interesting thread. Its almost as good as the whole Bruce/HCE/CRE story.

Well, once again I find myself cruising the BOI late, so I'm going to bed.

Peace,
Jason C.

 

[ZX11]

To those who feel I reacted harshly:

Understand that I have been dicking around with this idiot long enough and there are many threads about him, of which, one I started over a year ago.
Then for someone to come on and ask me to supply proof that I am not affiliated with him is degrading to me.
Follow that with accusations that I cannot provide the proof is yet another slap in the face.
I am not sure if doing this would be exposing evidence,but, I will get the emails out to everyone, somehow.
Again, I ask the moderators if they want to handle the task of posting them.
It has been suggested that I just go buy a scanner. Easier said than done. I have had several heart attacks and have been out of work because of them for over 2 years. Cash flow here has come to a screeching halt. I am lucky to eat everyday. I do not have the means to buy a scanner. If I could, that would have been done back in Dec, when I blew up mine.
Not asking for sympathy, just trying to explain why this is not in the future.
Don't ask to call me as I have a phone no more, either. I am working with nothing. I mean nothing. That is why the cost of copying and sending the instant messages are very important.

So there you have it. I want to get these out, but need someone to do it. I want the I/M's posted, but cannot buy a scanner. I have every shred of evidence needed, and more, so someone step up and help out. Until they get posted, how about no one else making accusations about me and what I have to prove myself.
I would appreciate that.