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Bad Guy Stan Ruppel IS HORRIBLE!!!!!!

I owe an apology. I did in fact take a picture of the same snake twice. I know what some people are going to start saying. Please don't. It was an honest mistake. No, not honest like misjudging weights by 400 grams either, so I hope people don't start that too. My picture mistake in no way makes up for Stan's. This is a picture of the group as of 10 minutes ago. I will show their CURRENT weights. Remember, they have been in my care for almost a month and I HAVE been trying to feed them as often as possible (twice a week).

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After refusing first meals, all have eaten. The smaller one as shed and defecated, which is why she is 318. The other 2 animals still have at least one if not 2 meals in them.
 
THIS IS PURELY FOR DISCUSSIONS SAKE. I AM NOT ARGUING OR TRYING TO START TROUBLE. JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND OTHER PEOPLE'S THEORIES.

So 1 animal was 299 grams, the other in the 350 gram range. I apologize for the error again.

To address you Tosh, let me ask you this, if Stan sent me the 700 gram hets he advertised and said he had, would we be having this discussion and would this thread be here? The plain and simple answer is NO. I would have taken the 2 hets, sold them like I was doing, and that would be the end of it. But he didn't send me what I was supposed to receive. So once he keeps his obligation, then I can keep mine. And so on and so forth. So as much as people would like to tell me the transactions are not related, how can you truthfully believe that? Without one, there isn't the other. They are directly connected.

The difference is, I didn't try and pawn off the smaller females on my customer. I called and apologized and explained what happened. Sale nixed. Just like if Stan would have called and told me their true weights, I could have decided what to do about it then instead of being forced to deal with this situation. (Like anyone needs added stress in their life.) It's not that Stan is responsible for what I do with the animals after I received them, he is responsible for what I CAN'T do with them because they weren't what he promised. Which translates into he is directly responsible for my deal going bad.

It's not like I took the animals, boxed them up, shipped them to my buyer and said "Hey, call Stan Ruppel. I shipped you what he shipped me." I took responsibility because I couldn't fulfill my obligation. Now Stan has to take responsibility for not fulfilling his obligation to me. How do you determine what the value of that responsibility is?

Okay, here is what it boils down to, which was stated earlier. What is the mistake worth? To me, it is a $300 mistake. By Stan's justifications, we are even because in his opinion, the package is still worth $750. So the logical thing to do is refund my $750 plus shipping costs and I send all the snakes back. I think we will all agree on that.

Onto the next problem, which was also already stated, who sends who what first? Do I go and trust him and send him the snakes after he has already been unreliable and dishonest to me? Or does he have to show some faith in me now and send the money back and then I ship the animals?

Considering I did nothing wrong here, I believe it's his turn to send first. Better solution would be face to face, but Stan refuses that because of my tone. Next is to have a middle man, but who chooses who that is? He won't trust my guy and I certainly won't trust his. (Unless there is a mutual friend, which if there was he would have been discovered by now. We have both admitted to sharing this story with our confidants.)

Let's do this, and correct me (which I know someone will) if I'm wrong:

1. Stan said he was shipping me 700 gram het females.
2. Stan shipped SIGNIFICANTLY smaller het females.
3. I should be some what compensated or have my money refunded.
4. Stan will not, or at least after almost 3 weeks still has not agreed to refund all, or any of my money.

Conclusion: Stan is wrong. I deserve some sort of compensation. (Let's not even start adding in I've cared for these snakes for a few weeks now too. I could do that if I wanted to, but I'm not that big of an ass.)

If he won't refund my money in full, how do we determine what sum I should be refunded? So what is the correct formula? (This question arises because the people here do not accept the way I came up with $300. And saying "that's between us" isn't an option. If that was the case, no one should have dismissed my theory of how I came up with $300.)

Remember, I gave him the option to refund the entire purchase price. He never even acknowledged it. He simply will not refund my money. Stan won't even post anything. I just want this over; and not over where I just suck it up and let him get away with this. This is a month long saga. I'm tired of it.

ONCE AGAIN THIS IS PURELY DISCUSSION
 
In terms of weight for ball pythons and any snake that is bought with the intentions of breeding is very important. Advertised at 700 grams and getting a point shy of 300 is a lot less than 1/2 of what it was supposed to be. A majority of the total price is dependant on the weight and age of the animal which is basically paying for the time and effort it takes to raise that animal. That would be like me buying a breeder sized ball python which would be a minimum 3 winters and weight of 1500 grams and getting the weight ratio he was ripped off at, that animal would ONLY weigh 642.86 grams! Anyone who breeds balls knows that is a massive difference and the OP has a right to atleast 64.29% of the original agreed purchase price of the het females. I don't think you've disclosed the original purchase price all you can tell us is how much you 'expected' to flip them for which doesn't matter. It would make everything easier if you told us that and if you got the hets dirt cheap, you should have no expectation of getting what you thought you 'wanted' to sell them for.
 
Also you should post the ORIGINAL ad which would have all that information on the price and condition(weight/ages) of the animals. It would help make your case look a lot better if you had them.

Even with that said information though, I don't think $300 is even close to being reasonable IMHO.
 
I paid $750 shipped for the group. So how would you decide what each animal was worth?

First we minus $50 for shipping. So we arrive at $700. Now we have to try and find market value (which is truly impossible). You can't go by what people ask for the animals, because that isn't always what they get. Then you have to only take the sale price of animals in the same weight range. Then you would have to compare those prices against each other (axanthic male 400g vs. het female 700g.) Then divide the $700 by each animals percentage of value.

So let's say I basically paid $300 for the male axanthic, and $200 for each female (for sake of the previous post and paragraph). I in turn would have 64.29% of $400 (once again hypothetically) owed to me. That would be $257.16. Going by the above posts formula.

I like the idea of your post. But here is my next question, can I trade the 2 300g het females and $257.16 for 2 700 gram het females? Or can I sell the 2 300g het females, add that to the $257.16 and buy 2 700g het females? If the answer to this is no, then am I truly getting back what I lost?

It isn't my fault, nor my choice what Stan decided was an acceptable price for his animals. Yet it is my loss when the animals that showed up weren't what he described. Would you agree with this?

If I can't acquire 2 700g het females I should at least have the option of returning the 300g het females for their estimated value correct?

So asking for the $400 plus shipping cost (assuming it's agreed I shouldn't have to pay for them to be returned) wouldn't be unreasonable would it?

My 3 option to Mr. Ruppel from the beginning were, $300 to recoup my losses do to his negligence and I keep the hets. No one seems to agree with this theory, so scratch it (for discussion purposes). $450 and I'll send the 2 animals back. Which is what I determined 2 700g het female axanthics would be worth using the formula above. Or refund all of my money plus shipping ($800) and I'll send back the animals.

Unless my calculations on the value of 700g het females compared to a 400g axanthic male are completely off, which they could be but I don't think they are, I don't see how anything I've requested from Stan as compensation for his mistake is unreasonable or dismissible.
 
As for the second post, he e-mailed me with the offer. I believe it was on Kingsnake at some point but don't quote me on that. And IYHO, what would be reasonable then? Everyone says what their opinions are, yet doesn't really back it up with anything. What percentage of $700 do you believe a 700g het female would be worth as far as this deal is concerned?
 
I don't really know the prices down in the states, but paying $300 for VPI Axanthic wouldn't happen for years. In your case both parties would have to negotiate a fair 'market' price on the male which may or may not leave a balance which would be divided by 2 and you would have your price for the females. Male ball pythons from a LARGE scale breeder here who has top quality animals have been bred from as young as 4 1/2 months and weighed as little as 394 grams so the market price would be set as a 'proven' breeder male VPI axanthic.

I'm not even giving an opinion when I say you got the females for free. It doesn't matter that you were hoping to get a certain amount on the hets if you got a fair or more than fair market price on the proven male then the hets wouldn't have 'cost' you anything and being greedy and accepting a 'great' deal you think you are owed because that deal doesn't meet your expectations.

I think you got yourself an early christmas gift and find it annoying how you expect to buy a top quality animal and get 2 FREE het females and still be greedy enough to complain.

Unless I find proven male axanthics in the US for $350 or less I'm betting $100 I'm not wrong about this situation.
 
You completely contradicted your first post. So what you are now saying is that you take the value of the HIGHEST priced animal, or the value of the entire transaction as a whole, subtract it from what you paid and divi up whats left??? So if I can sell the male for $1000 to you, I should be happy?

That has no logic behind it at all. So what you're saying is, as long as what you received is worth what you paid, it doesn't matter what you actually received?

So if I sold you a het Super Stripe male for $1500 and then shipped you 10 random babies that were worth $2000 you should be happy you received merchandise that valued more than what you paid? You wouldn't be mad you didn't get what you paid for? You'd be happy you got more bang for your buck? Have you ever heard of the marketing concept referred to as "bait and switch?"

You're basically saying it's okay to ship whatever you want as long as it's worth what the person paid you. Does that really make any sense to you at all?????
 
Barely looking I found these.

1.0 2008 VPI Axanthic 1200 grams - $750 shipped
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So by your first post AGAIN, a 1200g male axanthic is $750. So 1200:400 is 3:1 ratio. Which then leads to $750 (for the 1200g) ship correct? I paid So by your original post, now this is your formula,

That would be like me buying a breeder sized ball python which would be a minimum 3 winters and weight of 1500 grams and getting the weight ratio he was ripped off at, that animal would ONLY weigh 642.86 grams! Anyone who breeds balls knows that is a massive difference and the OP has a right to atleast 64.29% of the original agreed purchase price of the het females.
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$750:$250 = 3:1

Which would determine the value of my male at $250. $700-$250=$450. So by your theory, my 2 het females would be worth $225 each. Which means I should have a refund of $289.30 owed to me. Pretty damn close to $300 now isn't it????

I used all of the information you provided. What do you think?

ONCE AGAIN, I DO NOT WANT TO MAKE MORE ENEMIES OR ARGUE WITH ANYONE. I'M JUST TRYING TO PROVE A POINT THAT I ORIGINALLY THOUGHT WAS OBVIOUS. I GUESS IT WASN'T SO OBVIOUS.
 
'If it's too good to be true it usually is'

I don't think I need to say much more.

You took a deal thinking you got it made and pretty much getting an animal for nothing, yes you were decieved I never said you didn't BUT and this is a big but you still got one hell of a deal and you KNOW it. You got a PROVEN male which unless proven otherwise you got a super deal on, buddy sweetens the deal throwing in 2 *FREE* het VPI axanthic females and because you DID NOT get as large of a bonus you have nerve to complain and make a thread about the poor guy who admitted he couldn't afford to feed his animals and now you want to take even more from him. I originally skimmed through the thread, but really even with what I said it doesn't contradict myself. You paying market value and him throwing in 'freebies' and you complaining ABOUT said freebies makes you look like such an idiot and a bad buyer.

That's like going to the supermarket, getting free samples of a product you purchase and whining(whoops I really did mean complaining) about the size of the free samples.

Someone tell me my analogies are wrong?!?!
 
Okay, you are wrong. Just because I got a great deal doesn't justify me not getting what I paid for. You are DEAD WRONG! Don't get mad because your theory didn't prove out.
 
You right now, are an idiot. That male may be 1200 grams, but yours is PROVEN and his is not. By definition the fact that yours has been proven out that weight doesn't matter and neither does age by the simple fact he's done his job right. You don't want to return the animals because you know you are whining about freebies and because your greedy ass didn't profit as much you resort to crying and tarnishing someone who is not deserving of it.

Again I ask someone tell me my analysis of the situation is wrong??? Please
 
Okay, here we go with the ranting and name calling and whining. How about I break everything down to you.

At $750 including shipping/taxes/etc, you listening? You paid fair/less than market price for a 'PROVEN' 1.0 VPI Axanthic

The seller being unable to sustain his collection, for the better good of his animals throws you a HUGE bone and sends you 2.0 Het VPI Axanthic which would be considered 'free' additions seeing as you paid a 'fair' price for the 'PROVEN' male.

Because those 'free' additions did not make the deal as sweet as you wanted, you feel the need to whine openly about something that cost you NOTHING.

Now you want to fight with me because I called you out on your whining like a little girl.

Honestly how about you return those to the poor guy and I will buy them from him happily, I will pay for CITES permits, shipping, etc not a problem. I will give my word on that. You sir, are a douche bag and touche for trying to make the poor Stan look bad and ending up making yourself look like a whiny little b****.

Again, I would like to be told I'm wrong.
 
I just read your PM and I apologize for getting agitated.

I don't know Stan, but to me you got an insane deal! I've just been ripped off and for you to complain about getting such a crazy deal drives me nuts.

Here in Canada VPI Axanthics are rare. Right now no one is even actively selling homozyous VPI Axanthics. I myself paid WAY too much for a proven 2007 1.0 yellowbelly(I don't want to say out in public but if you want I will tell you via pm), but I got no complaints because I didn't research it before I bought it. I was happy with all the animals I got in that shipment nonetheless.

Be happy with what you got, I would recind your complaints againest Stan and be a little more gracious. Think about what kind of situation the man is in to openly ADMIT he couldn't afford to feed his animals and gift them to you instead.

I wish both you and Stan happy holidays and hope that you realize the actual situation and deal with it in a more respectable manner. I takes a real man to admit to his own mistakes, no one can say anything bad about someone who takes that sort of initiative.
 
Okay, again you are wrong. You still will not admit or acknowledge the fact that what I received wasn't what I paid for PERIOD!!!Not to mention your verbal abuse only shows your frustration. I myself tend to get lippy when I am frustrated. I usually get frustrated by people like you. In your case you are frustrated simply because you are wrong. I'm not fighting with you. You're arguing with your own concepts. All I did is take your post and plug in the details of my purchase. Also, the only person who said he is "proven" was Stan. The same guy who said the females were 700g. How reliable is his word? Not to mention, you sure know a lot about Stan's situation. The only person who has made any claim about Stan's finances was me. And I specifically stated it to be an opinion. You are ASSUMING he can't afford his collection. Not to mention, nowhere, NOT ONE TIME, where the females referred to as throw-ins or freebies until after the animals were shipped. I NEVER considered them "throw-ins". What if I didn't want the male at all? What if the females were what I wanted for their size and the male is the "throw-in"? What then?

You are wrong. Your original post factually, not opinion based, proved this. I didn't say anything to you. You proved you're wrong. Then you resort to calling me names? But I'm the "little girl" as you called me?

You are wrong. By your conduct and posts, I'm sure the majority here knows who the really idiot is. I will not resort to calling you names (outside of the idiot statement of course). Sticks and stones bro. Grow up, calm down, think it over again. I'll be waiting for your apology. And I forgive you for being angry. It sucks when someone uses your own statements to prove you wrong. Hey I have an idea, you should call Stan and see what he has for sale! Maybe he'll send you a similar deal like he sent me. Let's see how you react then. Merry Christmas.
 
Well, I was a bit harsh in my last post but it was composed before you posted your latest one.

Merry Christmas.

As far as Stan's situation, it is not my fault. I paid for something. What I paid for it is irrelevant. I didn't get what I paid for. That's the bottom line.
 
Again, you make yourself look so. . .

Here answer yes or no to these questions :

Did you pay fair/less than market for a 'PROVEN' 1.0 Axanthic?

If you say yes then the 0.2 Het Axanthic would be considered 'free' and again I would have to tell you that complaining about something that is FREE is bad action.

In the case that the 0.2 were free, would you think because you were mislead about their weight that you deserve comphensation on something that is FREE?(yes this is a question)

Are you happy with the 1.0 Axanthic?

Please don't try to lie when you answer these. I'm pretty sure of all the answers and there are no 'but's.
 
With the formulas I know I said, that if there the 'market' price was less than the total amount than you should take that and divide it by 2. At no time did I say there was anything left because I hadn't checked the prices. Therefore I've never contradicted myself in any way.

Also pair of hets breeding status should matter to you and the prospective buyer, but at the same time I found an ad for a 0.1 09 Het for $300. Even if you only got half that amount, you got a PROVEN VPI for $450 shipped.

IMHO, you're greedy. Just waiting for the answers to the questions I've asked you to answer.
 
Oh I don't know why I didn't think of this before, if you know how to check for sperm plugs, try to? That is in no way confirming whether or not it has bred in the past, only confirmation that it is capable.
 
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