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    Yeah, I know. They are a pain in the butt. But they pay the bills to keep my server running. Just a fact of life, I am afraid.

    Want to get rid of them? Simple. Just become a Contributor level member or above and they will be gone. -> Please click HERE."

    Is that too much for me to ask of you to keep this site running? Well, sorry about that. I too wish I could get everything for free. But alas.....

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    Google Adsense ad revenue for December, 2025 was just $30 over the cost of the lease for the server running this site. So, in effect, the money providing the incentive for me to continue running this site is coming SOLELY from the paid memberships and sponsorships here. Which honestly ain't much....

Tentative list of membership options.

I guess I am just daft but, I still just don't get why you want to limit posting on the BOI solely to people who pay. I understand the concept of getting rid of trolls, but I doubt it will work well. I can register multiple email addresses with PayPal, and pay that way using those multiple accounts if I wanted to be a true pain in the butt.

As it will be if you limit posts to those who pay dues, then someone who is a registered user but not a paying member who buys one animal in a lousy deal could have some really good info on a dirt bag dealer to expose the rat (the reason for the BOI or at least one of the reasons) and that info will not make it into the BOI. That would be a crying shame.

Oh well, sounds like adone deal so I will not rant about it more.

All the bst, G
B
 
Glenn Bartley said:
I guess I am just daft but, I still just don't get why you want to limit posting on the BOI solely to people who pay. I understand the concept of getting rid of trolls, but I doubt it will work well. I can register multiple email addresses with PayPal, and pay that way using those multiple accounts if I wanted to be a true pain in the butt.

As it will be if you limit posts to those who pay dues, then someone who is a registered user but not a paying member who buys one animal in a lousy deal could have some really good info on a dirt bag dealer to expose the rat (the reason for the BOI or at least one of the reasons) and that info will not make it into the BOI. That would be a crying shame.

Oh well, sounds like adone deal so I will not rant about it more.

All the bst, G
B
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Glenn,

How many times do you think someone is going to register anew at $10 a pop? Do you really believe someone is going to do that very many times, just to have their registration deleted and that money NOT refunded if they are caught doing that? Sure they can do it, but if they do, then we can consider that $10 a pop as the cost of us spending the time to trace them and boot them back out of here. We have to do it anyway, but at least the site is getting paid to do it then.

Well my take on that is if it is not worth $10 to someone to out a "rat" on the BOI, then it is not worth my time, efforts, and expense to go through all that I have done, am doing, and will keep on doing to keep the BOI here for them to use. It is just THAT simple.

People have been whining for YEARS about the bs and trash posted on the BOI and a way needed to clean it up. Well folks, here it is. If you thought it was going to be something I do for free, then sorry, but that's just not the way it is going to be. You just tell me how much value you place on your time and tell me why my time should be worth less to me. I spend HOURS per day on this site doing stuff in the background trying to keep things running smoothly. Those are HOURS I could be spending doing things much more worthwhile to myself and my wife.

So this site has just come to a make or break point. If it goes belly up, then I figure I have just cut my losses and will get on with other things to do.
 
What's the fuss?

What the site is dictating it needs monetarily to survive is peanuts compared to what it saved me by avoiding a few fraudulent sellers. My first trip here was an inquiry that saved me $250 on a potential bad deal. I dont think contributing 10% back is such a bad deal and I'm rather embarrased I didnt think to do this without receiving a sort of wake up call.

I'll be contributing my share tomorrow to show my support for a site that needs to be kept in place.

Best,
Chuck Kimmel
 
WebSlave said:
One thing that I thought of to help with the opinions that current long time members of this site be allowed the various perks for free was the option to make the $10 level *free* IF they have posted more then a set number of posts on this site within the time they have been here. I have tentatively set that number at 500, but may adjust that up or down as I think harder on this subject.
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Maybe that should be the number needed after the plan is implemented (500 new posts). My reasoning is based on the lack of support from long time members who were stating they would leave if a fee was implemented. They have benifited from Fauna for years but when asked to pay $10 to $25 dollars their true lack of support is shown, thanks but goodbye.

Brian (bcfos) is a good example of someone who has been here for quite a while and made a large number of posts. He has shown that he doesn't support this site by his comments and actions like yesterday when he went on a negative rep point rampage because he wanted to stir up as much crap as he could prior to leaving. I'll bet the majority of people he gave negative rep points to were contributing members.

I just think that in order to receive the $10 level for free there should be some sort of support shown other than being while it was free. Not to mention the fact that anyone who has been here for a long period of time has already received many perks for free.
 
I do like the 500 post level for many reasons; it does act as proof to show a certain level of involvement here.

However, I am not sure there is anything (other than the direct action taken yesterday) to protect from the likes of Brian. I think it is sad when people like me who gain a few rep points at a time by work, time and effort see many of them taken and destroyed by someone like him in a few minutes.

I agree that participation by post level (500) should be rewarded, as interaction builds the industry by transferring information.
 
DAND said:
Brian (bcfos) is a good example of someone who has been here for quite a while and made a large number of posts. He has shown that he doesn't support this site by his comments and actions like yesterday when he went on a negative rep point rampage because he wanted to stir up as much crap as he could prior to leaving. I'll bet the majority of people he gave negative rep points to were contributing members.
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I thought he gave me mine for that picture of him standing out in front of the store. But 1 neg point compared to all the pos points I'll live with it ...wish he would of aleast put a comment .......He use to be an ok guy :nopity:
 
I PMed him and asked him why he felt it necessary to take points for this post I made:

DAND said:
(Upside) Unless you had is copyrighted. Then you could go after them with both guns a blazing. :2gunsfiri

(Downside) Of course that would cost time and money.
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This was his response:

Re: Rep points

The blind following the blind on that post. Seems like this pro-active approch is going to end up allowing just anyone to buy a "Good Guy" rating even the bad ones. A sinking ship so bail why you can...
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Brian C. Foster
 
I gifted you two, above, with points; I have faith that in the end, good triumphs over evil....

Perhaps this thread is wandering astray, back on topic with us; but in fact it is collateral to membership, and membership privileges..
 
I dont see it as Blind Following the Blind. I see it as Its time to come into the 21st Century Everybody has a reason to be here ....For fun ....Knowledge or just to see who to stay away from. Me, Im here because some of Y'all are good People :spinny:
 
sorry i wanted to ask this to but I hit the post button on accident. Can you still post feed back on the trader rating on the free membership?
 
DAND said:
Maybe that should be the number needed after the plan is implemented (500 new posts). My reasoning is based on the lack of support from long time members who were stating they would leave if a fee was implemented. They have benifited from Fauna for years but when asked to pay $10 to $25 dollars their true lack of support is shown, thanks but goodbye.

Brian (bcfos) is a good example of someone who has been here for quite a while and made a large number of posts. He has shown that he doesn't support this site by his comments and actions like yesterday when he went on a negative rep point rampage because he wanted to stir up as much crap as he could prior to leaving. I'll bet the majority of people he gave negative rep points to were contributing members.

I just think that in order to receive the $10 level for free there should be some sort of support shown other than being while it was free. Not to mention the fact that anyone who has been here for a long period of time has already received many perks for free.
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I have scrapped the idea of the free membership for a certain number of posts. The more I thought about it, the less I liked it. I am certain that there are a number of long time members here who are not who they say they are. So if I am to use this paid membership plan as a minimal credibility check, then this just defeats that purpose. And honestly, if someone is going to moan and whine about a measily $10 per year, they can just hit the road anyway. I would rather have this site reduced to 1,000 serious truly dedicated people and let the other 16,000 go fly a kite. Once we have that solid foundation, we WILL bounce back again. We will become MUCH stronger then we are right now.

Brian has effectively been muzzled in the reputation points department. Also, I have removed ALL of the negative points he gave a bunch of people yesterday. I gave him an opportunity to make on last hurrah in the HELL forum before I fine and suspend him, but maybe I won't wait that long. The way he used the reputation system was totally uncalled for and spiteful. In my opinion, if such a showing of immaturity is not grounds for someone being suspended from this site, I don't know what is.

And just for the record, there is damn little someone can do on this site of any consequence that I can't undo.
 
Vince said:
why can you post positve points and not negitive?
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That little tirade from Brian Foster is a perfect example of why I don't want just any freebie Joe Blow able to post negative reputation points. People get upset when it happens. Some people get spiteful and childish. I want to put a filter on that sort of activity by requiring a person to have a vested interest in remaining on this site and not engage in activity that will cause them to lose that investment.
 
Vince said:
sorry i wanted to ask this to but I hit the post button on accident. Can you still post feed back on the trader rating on the free membership?
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Once the paid membership plan goes into effect, no. Again, this is all about credibility. If absolutely anyone can register here for free with multiple accounts, I believe it is in everyone's best interests to limit the activities that juvenile, malicious, or spiteful people can do to hurt someone else's reputation anonymously.
 
I would just like to say their is nothing wrong with makeing money , but i was under the impression you just wanted to the money to help keep the site up
 
Vince said:
1,000 serious truly dedicated people = 10 grand in your pocket. does it really cost that much to keep this site up?
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What kind of work do you do, Vince? Do you ask for a paycheck that only matches your expenses of getting to work each day?
 
My two cents

Rich,

In my opinion you are on the right track with the required membership fees for this sight, facts is that the folks that are truly interested in being involved in this hobby will pay it no questions asked. There will be of course some folks that for one reason or another will not pay the fee and will want to benefit off from the input of others without any real involvement. Usually in life as in this hobby you get exactly what you pay for. As for myself I am willing/able to try and help defray the costs of running this sight as I believe it will benefit the overall health of the hobby. With a few dollars income from the site, you can afford to make the updates and implement the procedures/help etc that are needed to keep it viable.

I also would like to add one other thought and that is that youngsters are the life blood of our hobby, I would suggest a "Jr Membership" of some type for kids that want to be involved and would even go so far as to say I would be glad to sponser a few of them if you set up a program along those lines. :

Sign me up as I told you in the email of yesterday.

John Cherry
Cherryville Farms :nuts: :crazy03: :look:
 
JWCsr said:
Rich,
I also would like to add one other thought and that is that youngsters are the life blood of our hobby, I would suggest a "Jr Membership" of some type for kids that want to be involved and would even go so far as to say I would be glad to sponser a few of them if you set up a program along those lines. :

Sign me up as I told you in the email of yesterday.

John Cherry
Cherryville Farms :nuts: :crazy03: :look:
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John I like that Idea I'd be willing to get on board also, just let me know what I can Do
 
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