Terry Gwin bad business reptile breeder (killer)

[Dennis Hultman]

I can show anyone who wants to see the threatening emails that he sent.

Oh yeah, sorry im not good at spelling, but I am good at kicking

Have to go feed geckos now.

Terry,
Why don’t you go ahead and post the emails here?

 

[Dennis Hultman]

Olivia,
While that may be true, right there in his response he talks about kicking his buyers butt.
He could have the greatest animals around but without anything further on the email exchanges, he is only lending credibility to his accuser.

 

[burncycle]

Olivia,
While that may be true, right there in his response he talks about kicking his buyers butt.
He could have the greatest animals around but without anything further on the email exchanges, he is only lending credibility to his accuser.

My point exactly. It wasn't his geckos I was complaining about it was his business manner. HE HAD 4 MONTHS to correct this issue with me before I even made a complaint. This quote was in the last email sent before I had enough from him when I stated I would take any sex he had this was his exact response AFTER 4 MONTHS

"Im not worried about what sex YOU end up with it is ME who needs to have the right sex ratios. You will get your gecko when I decide the time is right. At this time the baby v-nigras are too tiny. To ship them now would mean certain death. I am tierd of emailing you so if you want your gecko at all your going to have to pick up the phone."

How would that make you feel?

 

[burncycle]

The Whole 9 Yards

Thats all I have on this computer. I continued to wait another 2 months without being rude. Finally told him I had enough and wanted compensation, and thats when I received the rude email about calling him if i want anything at all. He cant post any emails because he will just make himself look worse. Everything he wrote me to after the phone conversations were all profanity, threats, and insults. I hope this is enough proof for you to believe me. Here are emails from after the post.
After he sent me the one about posting gay sex acts in my name it follows like this.



Like i have told you before, say it to my face. You have no spine. call me on the phone *****.

Don <[email protected]> wrote:
You can check faunaclassifieds at the end of the week. I am posting the picture on my website in with your review and I will post a link to it in faunaclassifieds. I have nothing more to say to you, your gonna get what you deserve. Keep adding fuel to the fire.

-----Original Message-----
From: terry gwin [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:40 PM
To: Don
Subject: Re: identity theft
im sure you blocked this you *****. Go ahead and call the cops. What exactly am I stealing from you ? Theft would involve stealing wouldn't it. Stupid. you realy are a dumb ****. If I was STEALING your identity then I would use it for something hmmmmmmm.

Don <[email protected]> wrote:
You know your dealing with identity theft now, don’t you? I guess you want charges pressed against you too. Go ahead and do anything with my name and watch as you get a call from the cops.

This is all because you couldn’t back up your dead geckos you ***hole.


Notice in this header when he states I can have a v-nigra in a few weeks this was 4/20/06

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From: terry gwin <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: day geckos for sale
To: Don <[email protected]>
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I sold him right after we last emailed eachother. The good news is that I just hatched out a v-nigra. You can take him in a couple weeks or I can sell you a blue headed grandis for $100 shipped when I hatch the next one out. If I was you, I would wait for the grandis. People went crazy when I put that thing on fauna. The next blue head will be advertized for $250, but if you want to wait a bit longer you will get one much cheaper. Also, another idea, I have a young normal grandis from the same bloodline as the blue head that I would send you for say $50 shipped.

let me know what you think.
Terry

Don <[email protected]> wrote:
How about you meet me in the middle and sell me the grandis for $100 shipped?

-----Original Message-----
From: terry gwin [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 1:39 PM
To: Don
Subject: RE: day geckos for sale

I would rather not. I have baby v-nigra due to hatch anyday now.

Don <[email protected]> wrote:
Sounds good. Could you deduct the $45 from the dead v-nigra from that?

Thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: terry gwin [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 8:08 AM
To: Don
Subject: RE: day geckos for sale

$130 shipped. I figure people will pay a little more for a new (morph?) of grandis.

Don <[email protected]> wrote:
How much are you letting it go for?

-----Original Message-----
From: terry gwin [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 10:16 PM
To: Don
Subject: RE: day geckos for sale

To be honest I have no idea. I have 3 different pairs of grandis and the newest pair is 3 for 3 for producing these things. One of my other pairs has produced 1 out of her first three. How freakin cool is that! These things are for real and there has been no photo doctoring of any kind or any strange cross-breeding. I know your into phelsuma so Im sure you can apreciate the beauty of these animals.

I got my 1-3 female from Jay Sommers and my 3-3 pair from another friend. The female is absolutely patternless, so I think that may have something to do w/ it.

If you want one of these things act fast. Im only letting go of one for now and am waiting on the next 6 eggs to hatch before I sell any more. I know Jay sommers is selling these also from time to time so if you want more I know where to get them.

Thanks,
Terry



Don <[email protected]> wrote:
How on earth did you manage to get a blue head on it?

-----Original Message-----
From: terry gwin [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 8:13 AM
To: Don
Subject: RE: day geckos for sale

I have produced a new strain of grandis and thought you might want it. $120 shipped.

Don <[email protected]> wrote:
They are both 8 months?

-----Original Message-----
From: terry gwin [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 6:10 PM
To: Don
Subject: RE: day geckos for sale

not sure 8 months?

Don <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Terry,

How old is the dubia and the female peacock you sent me for my records?

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: terry gwin [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 8:00 AM
To: Don
Subject: RE: day geckos for sale

Im glad you like her. I told you she was worth the money. Wait until you see her babies! Usualy I sell dubias for $10-20 depending on size and quantity.

Thanks,
Terry

Don <[email protected]> wrote:
No problem, its just sad that the little guy died. The female peacock I got from you is nice. The dubia is really cool as well. How much do you usually sell the regular dubias for? I’m interested in a couple female dubias, and I’ve been looking for abbottis as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: terry gwin [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 11:46 PM
To: Don
Subject: RE: day geckos for sale

Ok, cool. I am remodeling my house this weekend and havent had much time to answer emails and take care of my 60+ species gecko collection. I have two different bloodlines for dubia (normal). Also I have one sub species of dubia that is totaly green. I have one green dubia juvie and one normal juvie available and more are on the way. As well as the klemmeri.

It is a very rare occasion that a gecko dies in transport for me. I ship out hundreds of geckos each year with virtualy no problems.

Terry





Don <[email protected]> wrote:
I’m not arguing about your prices they are fair for what I received. When do you think you will have another v-nigra available? What about the dull day geckos? Do you have another bloodline of them available? Please remember that I want a klemmeri from you too.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: terry gwin [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 5:39 PM
To: Don
Subject: RE: day geckos for sale

$200 is a great price for what you recieved. Try to find a female CB peacock that is an adult for less than $65. You won't find it. As long as you are cool about everything, I will replace the v-nigra as soon as I have one available all sales are final.

Don <[email protected]> wrote:
I thought for $200 you would have sent them over night with a heat pack. The v-nigra didn’t make it. I got the 2 baby gold dust, female peacock and dubia fine though.

 

[Kcgeckoguy]

So I don't see the problem don? It takes time to breed geckos sometimes. Being patient is the key to getting good quality animals. I also was advertizing these blue heads as an experement on where I should set the market. Thats why I didn't want to sell you one. I dont have a cool gecko meter at home so I have to figure these things out somehow. It also looks like you did some fine editing to those emails. You never said squat about the heat pack. Furthermore, I would have happily included a dubia or two to make up for your troubles at that time.

I would have kept my end of the bargain until you decided to threaten me. To this day I have not threatened you, only warned you that if you decide to take physical action against me you will be unpleasantly supprized by the outcome.

Did you know that treatening somone is a federal offense when done over state lines. Its true! you can ask any lawyer.

Don, just stop this nonsense your only attracting negative attention to yourself. Do you think people are going to want to buy a gecko from someone that has raised such a stink about ONE dead gecko that would have been replaced had you not been so short fused and immature.

The truth of the matter is that your mad because of the way I took your personal attack over the phone. Do I realy need to post your email threat publicly?

Olivia, you are awesome! I thank you for having the courage to back me agains all that have blindly ridiculed me.

And last, I admit to acting unbusiness like to Don. In all my days I have never had a person act so immature and rude. So, yea, ok can you blame me for telling him who he realy is.

 

[burncycle]

You gave me the run around

You told me several times that I could have something in replacement of the gecko. I was willing to take a loss or a discount on another gecko but you just wouldnt give me one.

You lied in your responses about how I never contacted you.

I was willing to take a loss or a discount on another gecko but you just wouldnt give me one. I dont wish to argue anymore. Thanks for admitting to everyone how you treated me though. Thats all I want out of this now.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

Terry,

I just want to make sure I understand what you’re saying.
Do you not guarantee live arrival? I checked your site and I couldn’t find any shipping information.

You shipped back in March is this correct? There was one DOA and your not disputing that fact. You told your buyer you would replace the DOA. It’s now June.

In the emails that were provided, and we can only go by them because you have yet to show any supporting emails, you state

-----Original Message-----
From: terry gwin [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 5:39 PM
To: Don
Subject: RE: day geckos for sale

$200 is a great price for what you recieved. Try to find a female CB peacock that is an adult for less than $65. You won't find it. As long as you are cool about everything, I will replace the v-nigra as soon as I have one available all sales are final.

It may be a great deal but your buyer paid for another that arrived DOA.
Just so everyone can understand better, because I’m having a hard time understanding a few points.

You agreed on a price for all the geckos, when one arrived dead you told the buyer what he received alive was a good deal already but you would replace it. The buyer has waited several months and now you say your not going to replace it because he is bothering you.

Do I realy need to post your email threat publicly?

I would think so.

 

[Kcgeckoguy]

Mr. Hultman,

I would say that Don threatening me and telling me he is going to come to my house and kick my @#! before the conversations even began to heat up is enough for me to not give Don a replacement gecko. But, no, now he has publicly called me out and exposed this whole ordeal to try and aggitate me. NOT to get his $65 gecko.

I do guarantee live arrival. It takes time to breed geckos sometimes. Even 4 months. I waited 3 years to get a male P. Guimboui! Don could have been more patient and he could have not threatend me he would have recieved his geckos and more for his patience. I am a very generouse person. I often give away free geckos to the people that deserve them.

I think your missing the point. If you look back at my responses to this thread carefully you will see that Don is not worried about the gecko, he is worried about trying to make me look bad. He has failed on both levels.

Also, I have NEVER threatened Don or said how I can kick his @#$. What I did say is that he would have a very unpleasant experience if he chose to take physical action.

Upon request here is one of his nasty emails...
"Keep waiting for me tile craftsman. I’m making arrangements soon enough to pay you a visit and when I do I’m gonna break you like a twig. I know all about you and I’m not nearly done with getting my word out about you. I’ve been letting all the reptile expos know about you aswell.
I know that you got your whole collection of geckos from Lauren Berstch and her boyfriend who you ripped off his name. Lets see if she deals with you anymore !@#$%^&*!@. Don’t ever think that I forgot about you, because I will be in your area one day and when I’m there you will know."

Im not sure how to post it with all the time stamp stuff but I can foreward it to anyone who realy cares. The other email is just saying that he knows my adress.ooooooooo....Im shakin.....lol. I do have to admit this all is a bit entertaining at least.

Also, I have no idea who Lauren Burstch is. My whole collection came frome tons of different places but mostly from a friend of mine i would like to keep out of this.

If there is any more confusion, please feel free to respond.

 

[burncycle]

Terry Gwin is a liar and a fraud

You made that so called email up only to make yourself look more like a liar. I have posted all the proof necessary to prove that you do not keep your word and are purely a bad business man. I said everything I wanted to say to you on the phone, I don't leave nasty emails like you do.

You are a straight up amateur in every way possible.

You even state that you have a subclass of Phelsuma dubia, so you know Phelsuma dubia doesn't have a subclass. Unless you are creating hybrids over there in your so-called facility.

I have done business recently with someone who knows you personally and says your "facility" is a 12X15 room with no more than 20 species.

Your a liar and I want people to know this so they dont have to put up with your bullshit.

You dont know how to ship geckos and you dont know how to treat people with respect.

Good Day!

 

[burncycle]

one more thing

What are you crying about threats for MR KUNG FU MARTIAL ARTIST.

 

[burncycle]

Also, I have no idea who Lauren Burstch is. My whole collection came frome tons of different places but mostly from a friend of mine i would like to keep out of this.

Her and her boyfriend Jay Sommers who you got your ENTIRE collection from. Ripped off his blue grandis and called it yours.

 

[Kcgeckoguy]

Now I know your trying to get this thread removed by swearing. It is really funny. You should know size doesn't matter don. Im sure you hear this all the time...LOL...! I have somewhere around 75 species but that really is insignificant.

I also DO have a sub-species of Dubia that has not been described. I can also prove this. Stop Don, before you lose controll of yourself again.

If anyone would like to see my amature collection feel free to email me, and I will show them.

 

[Kcgeckoguy]

Jay sommers will back me up and the grandis is his bloodline and creation. Whats your point again?

 

[burncycle]

you really are dumb

Once again you just ADMITTED THAT YOU LIED. Go back to school and learn some manners and how to spell too.

 

[Kcgeckoguy]

I have grown tired of your crying. If you know jay then you would know his girlfriends name is not Lauren. All you have done is show that you are a whiny and immature. You have edited the emails that you have posted so, you could say that I ripped off anyone. Once again you show that all you can do is call names and insult people. I am finished responding to this thread. It and you have wasted my time. Like I have said before, if you know me, you know how I feel about geckos. If you don't know me, you shouldn't judge me based on some person having a temper tantrum.

 

[burncycle]

I'm also done posting, because idiots cannot be reasoned with.
Her name is Lauren aka Riley. I have proved my point about you.
YOU have also proved my point about you.

All of this could have been avoided if you would just have taken care of business properly.

Buyer beware.

 

[burncycle]

by the way

All this posting and notice he still didnt even once offer me my gecko or my lost $65.

TERRY why dont you be a man and give me back my money now and show everyone that you can hold up your end of the bargain after 4 months??

 

[burncycle]

i thought so...

 

[Kcgeckoguy]

I'll tell you what Don, you hold up to everything you said you were going to do to me and I'll give you your choice of whatever gecko you want. A bargain is a bargain right?

Oh, by the way if you look back at the emails YOU posted, the v-nigra was $45 or did you edit that too?

sellers beware.

 

[Kcgeckoguy]

You will never do anything but rant and rave about this and you will never get ANY gecko from me ever.

Truly I am done wasting my time with you.