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The Fauna Draft

Seamus, as usual you make good sense.

Bobby, this site has 35,000 registrations. That is farrrrrrrrrrrr different from members.

It's good that you'll be helping out Bobby.

It is far better this way than what I was expecting.
 
I agree, Wes.

When this was first introduced, I was under the impression that all paid members would have the ability to dish out warning points...which in my eyes sounded like it would end up like a big mess. With that limited amount of folks actually having that ability, I am starting to think this may not be such a bad thing after all. And if it's level-headed folks like Bobby who will actually stand up and make the effort...even better. And...it should also be easily visible if one of those few members should get carried away with the points.

And if ya don't want to participate....that's just fine with me as well. I don't think I'd want the headaches. No one can force you to use the system....just pretend it ain't even there.
 
I have supported this sight for a long time. When it went to pay to play, folks whined and some left, and I not only stayed, but signed up immediately. I have maintained the same level of membership that I started with.

Through all of the tourmoils that this sight and the members have been through, personal tragedies, financial hardships, death, divorce, and meeting some of the finest the industry has to offer , I have been here. I will continue to be here and support this sight no matter how this all goes down.
 
I'll bet that 6 months from now if you did a poll in one of the more heavily traveled forums here asking how everyone felt about the change that took place on 01/21/07, most people wouldn't even know what you were talking about. :rofl:

This is pretty much going to be a non event for most people. And for those few people that it MIGHT be a perceptible change, well.......... :shrug01:
 
WebSlave said:
Yeah, like I am going to DRAFT someone to be a moderator, with all those implicit privileges, if they positively do NOT want to do it....... :rofl:

Thank you.
The first post in this thread it most certainly looked like that was the plan laid out in some thread I had not read~ and it made me very uncomfortable! And all you people insisting that this was a non worry may have read the thread this came from~ but I did not~ and you would have been concerned if you thought you were being "drafted" too.

WHY would I be concerned?

WebSlave said:
But I think it would be an eye opening experience for everyone to have sometime or another. How would you like to have yourself and your family get death threats from some of the less savory members who have passed through here? Lots of fun, eh? And I have lost count many moons ago of all the lawsuit threats I have received for my efforts. So I certainly can't understand why anyone WOULDN'T want to be a moderator here.... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Yeah~ I understand that is exactly what you go through~ and I've said DOZENS of times that Rich puts up with MUCH more than I ever would. There is absolutely no way I could handle that kind of responsibility without losing my temper and making it worse in the long run. I don't understand how anyone else does it.

Ive now read the new thread Rich made. And if the tool is just there for me to use or not use as I feel needed then thats fine. I can control myself not to abuse the system. However~ If I were receiving a FRACTION of the crap he must receive everyday (which is what I thought the plan was) I would not be able to retain a responsible adult attitude about it. I know it. Rich knows it. I think I've made it perfectly clear we should ALL know it.

I am perfectly willing to help out around here, I've tried to help out in the past by giving a bit more than I had to. If Rich needs help I'm willing to do as I am asked, but being "Assigned" would put my back up. I don't work and play well with the general public unless I can just walk away when I see them turning into snotty little :censored:

I'm glad we covered this. Your new plan looks fine to me Rich.
Thanks for not setting me up in the Hot Seat it looked like you might be warming up to!
 
If I understand this right, the ONLY way a member could get warning points is if they broke the rules of this website. As long as everyone is completely aware of those rules, whether they are a lowly financial 'Contributor' or an elite 'Benefactor or Endowment' level moderator, it shouldn't be an issue. Simple... just don't break the rules. Warning points are for folks who break the rules, and karma points are for the general content of posts, favorable or unfavorable.

Am I seeing this right, Rich?
 
WebSlave said:
Wow, Alicia! That is WAY too logical of a thought here......

Yeah, like I am going to DRAFT someone to be a moderator, with all those implicit privileges, if they positively do NOT want to do it....... :rofl:

But I think it would be an eye opening experience for everyone to have sometime or another. How would you like to have yourself and your family get death threats from some of the less savory members who have passed through here? Lots of fun, eh? And I have lost count many moons ago of all the lawsuit threats I have received for my efforts. So I certainly can't understand why anyone WOULDN'T want to be a moderator here.... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
You're the one that said you would make sure they receive the notices and you would assign them to be forum moderators, now you're laughing; yeah, OK. If you changed your mind and that's not how it will be, then say that, don't talk about how ridiculous it is for someone to think you would even consider that; those were YOUR words about assigning, not anyone else's. If they're still going to get the notices, that's not much of a choice, is it? No matter how it's sugarcoated, it's still not a choice. They will be made to ignore SPAM of a sort, and then choose not to participate. Muddy water, there.

Pro rata, you whine more than anyone about the site, and it's pretty sad. I like Fauna, and wish it would go back to what it once was, but it and you are a laughing stock of many folks right now (you say you don't care, but you do or you wouldn't still be looking for ways to improve.) Of course it's work, of course people will complain - that's part of it and one would think you would be accustomed to that without complaint by now. If you can't handle it, maybe you ought to get out of the fire and let someone else who is stronger jump in and do right by the site.

I'm not knocking the goal of the new system, the site DOES need more moderators and the rules DO need to be enforced. Shoot, you can ask anyone that knows me, I'm more of a stickler for profanity than most, so I'm all for that. My first post in this thread is the first time in my history of being online that I've used profanity on a public forum.

I think the way this system came about was too dramatic and needless. There is no more Wild Wild West here, no more Peer points.. the final outcome is simply taking on more moderation and that could have easily been done by using volunteers that have wanted to help you out before rather than all the discussion and drama your WWW implications created. You create most of the drama on Fauna, yet you're the biggest complainer about that, as well. If you don't want the drama, use your cajones for what they were intended and grab the bull by the horns and just make things happen. That means more moderation, and that's just common sense. You can't do it all by yourself, so you take on help. There are plenty of other sites on the web that prove it's possible, why is it so hard here? You act like you are so poorly mistreated and no one understands the woes you go through for giving so much to the community. (If you think this is tough, run a board for 1000's of chronic pain patients..lol) You DO give a lot - I won't deny that. You used to give more, though, so man up and deal with things as they come. It's what site owners and admin do.

If you need money to keep running the site (and I know you do, I'm not knocking that), consider another paid member level in between $25.00 and $100.00. Maybe $50.00 for somewhere in the middle. I bet you'd get a lot more registrations for $50.00 than you might think, and fifty $50.00 memberships is more valuable than ten $100.00 memberships. $50.00 is a heck of a lot easier to come up with than $100.00 for most folks, too.
 
Golden Gate Geckos said:
If I understand this right, the ONLY way a member could get warning points is if they broke the rules of this website. As long as everyone is completely aware of those rules, whether they are a lowly financial 'Contributor' or an elite 'Benefactor or Endowment' level moderator, it shouldn't be an issue. Simple... just don't break the rules. Warning points are for folks who break the rules, and karma points are for the general content of posts, favorable or unfavorable.

Am I seeing this right, Rich?
In essence, nothing changed. But we sure did have a lot of drama to go through to get here, eh? ;)
 
If you all want to leave feedback about my decisions here, that's all fine and dandy, that is what this forum is for. But if you want to be derogatory and belittling to me at the same time, then please note that I don't feel I need to put up with that crap from YOU.

You will get a warning about it (maybe), but only once. If it continues, then pack your bags. There is nothing you can provide to this site that I NEED in order to put with that sort of abuse here.
 
I've said nothing more than others have said many times; why ding me 1000 rep points?
 
SoulSmilen said:
I've said nothing more than others have said many times; why ding me 1000 rep points?

Because your derogatory and belittling comments were uncalled for and designed to personally attack me. Quite frankly, I am not putting up with that here. From anyone. I give everyone quite a bit of freedom here to pretty much do what they please within VERY reasonable restraints. But quite frankly, I am not going to allow anyone this medium to belittle me and my efforts or in any way bash me on this site nor any others that I run. If someone thinks this is unfair of me, well that's just tough, but the way it is.

So yeah, if I choose to use the karma system to flag a post you made that I feel is especially derogatory towards me, then yes, it is a big hit against you. Actually I am astonished that you think such talk comes without any repercussions. Take a slap at me, and fully expect to get a slap right back.

I can take the negative comments and feedback with the best of them, but when you start making derogatory slurs then it's time to put the brakes on, HARD. I don't require respect from anyone, but I simply will not put up with public disrespect on this site. Period.

I hope this is crystal clear to everyone.
 
I've said it before (as I believe Rich has in one form or another) Fauna is Rich's site.

We are merely consumers or customers if you will.

Rich has taken suggestions before - but he isn't required to adopt nor even listen to every critcicism/critique/or suggestion. Rich actually implemented something I suggested regarding sub-categories under the BOI certification area. As I recall he had asked for suggestions and I made one. It just so happened he liked that suggestion and implemented it.

Do I like the changes that are occuring? Probably not anymore or less than the bulk of folks who have expressed their opinions. Will I leave? I guess it depends on how things go, but I'm not going to just walk away due to the change. That's my CHOICE. Everyone here has that choice. I find the BOI a useful tool and have also established some great relationships with others in this community. But if it becomes more aggrevation than I am willing to put up with I will leave - again my CHOICE.

I posted in the Wild West 2 thread that everyone hear can have their opinion heard and they can. Its simple - if you don't like what's happening at this site - don't patronize it. Don't pay to play. Don't click on the sponsored ads and if you are really that bent out of shape - go to the folks that advertise and let them know how you feel. Will it make a difference? I doubt it, but you know what? If there are so many folks outraged at this change and the perceived direction of this site than it may very well make your voice heard in the only way it can be.

What we shouldn't do is personalize this - either way. If you as a member of Fauna feel very strongly - enough to personalize it - imagine how Rich feels. He is after-all, this sites "father". This is business and that is how it should be treated. If you were unhappy with where you buy your groceries you would go somewhere else - not lynch the store manager.

One question for Rich : Are you the only one that has nuclear strength Karma altering ability?
 
Scott Ashton said:
One question for Rich : Are you the only one that has nuclear strength Karma altering ability?

Yes. And I can make that number anything I want it to be... :reddevil:
 
Scott Ashton said:
I've said it before (as I believe Rich has in one form or another) Fauna is Rich's site.

We are merely consumers or customers if you will.

Rich has taken suggestions before - but he isn't required to adopt nor even listen to every critcicism/critique/or suggestion. Rich actually implemented something I suggested regarding sub-categories under the BOI certification area. As I recall he had asked for suggestions and I made one. It just so happened he liked that suggestion and implemented it.

Do I like the changes that are occuring? Probably not anymore or less than the bulk of folks who have expressed their opinions. Will I leave? I guess it depends on how things go, but I'm not going to just walk away due to the change. That's my CHOICE. Everyone here has that choice. I find the BOI a useful tool and have also established some great relationships with others in this community. But if it becomes more aggrevation than I am willing to put up with I will leave - again my CHOICE.

I posted in the Wild West 2 thread that everyone hear can have their opinion heard and they can. Its simple - if you don't like what's happening at this site - don't patronize it. Don't pay to play. Don't click on the sponsored ads and if you are really that bent out of shape - go to the folks that advertise and let them know how you feel. Will it make a difference? I doubt it, but you know what? If there are so many folks outraged at this change and the perceived direction of this site than it may very well make your voice heard in the only way it can be.

What we shouldn't do is personalize this - either way. If you as a member of Fauna feel very strongly - enough to personalize it - imagine how Rich feels. He is after-all, this sites "father". This is business and that is how it should be treated. If you were unhappy with where you buy your groceries you would go somewhere else - not lynch the store manager.

One question for Rich : Are you the only one that has nuclear strength Karma altering ability?
I don't disagree with anything you've said here, Scott; by all means, it is Rich's site. However, as someone stated in another thread (a very highly respected member of the site and reptile community, in general), this site became a product when the first payment was accepted. Just because there is no interest in providing the best service from the 'store' doesn't mean that those paying for the product are no longer worthy of receiving service or the product. A product is a product, a service is a service.

My post was supportive in areas, too; it wasn't all negative. The things I said that were considered derogatory were the very comments others have been saying all along; I won't bother searching the site and quoting them all in one post, because it's pointless and anyone reading knows it's the plain and simple truth. Funny how I got dinged nuclear style when no one else has. The warning points were just, but the karma was a little much and would have been considered abuse and retaliation had it been any other person.. which is moot because no other person could have had quite that impact. The father of the site doesn't like me, has no use for me, and wants me gone. No biggie, such is life and I'm a big girl - I can handle not being liked. :)
 
SoulSmilen said:
I don't disagree with anything you've said here, Scott; by all means, it is Rich's site. However, as someone stated in another thread (a very highly respected member of the site and reptile community, in general), this site became a product when the first payment was accepted. Just because there is no interest in providing the best service from the 'store' doesn't mean that those paying for the product are no longer worthy of receiving service or the product. A product is a product, a service is a service.

My post was supportive in areas, too; it wasn't all negative. The things I said that were considered derogatory were the very comments others have been saying all along; I won't bother searching the site and quoting them all in one post, because it's pointless and anyone reading knows it's the plain and simple truth. Funny how I got dinged nuclear style when no one else has. The warning points were just, but the karma was a little much and would have been considered abuse and retaliation had it been any other person.. which is moot because no other person could have had quite that impact. The father of the site doesn't like me, has no use for me, and wants me gone. No biggie, such is life and I'm a big girl - I can handle not being liked. :)

Agreed regarding the product - that goes hand-in-hand with the concept of us being consumers and having choices.

I don't think Rich giving you negative Karma was necessarily retaliation - only in that anyone can use Karma to express their disagreement with another's post. The Warning and Karma combination does seem to be excessive. I think one or the other would have been appropriate. As far as the "nuclear strength" Karma goes - that too seems rather slanted, but Rich is "God" in the context of this site and far be it from me to tell God what powers he can have nor how to wield them.

As I mentioned above - I believe things have become personalized on both sides and that isn't a good thing. I did it when Rich and I had the fallout over having my Moderator status yanked, and I think to a degree he did as well. Am I sorry that things went the way they did? Yes. Is Rich - I'm not sure, but I asked to come back and he let me return (this was before the amnesty at the end of the year). I was happy to be back, and while I find the recent events questioning my choice to return - it was a choice that I made and I can always choose to leave.

I think all parties need to push away the keyboard and take a few deep breaths. Its the weekend - go do something fun, or as I have to do go shopping with my wife.
 
Denise don't take it too personally you pushed the button and got Nuked. You can go after pretty much anyone you want to here except the Mods and the Boss..

You've mentioned you liked how the site used to be at least a couple of times now.. I think your talking about when the rules were enforced to the Max!! and you had to pay to post???

Randy
 
ravensgait said:
Denise don't take it too personally you pushed the button and got Nuked. You can go after pretty much anyone you want to here except the Mods and the Boss..

You've mentioned you liked how the site used to be at least a couple of times now.. I think your talking about when the rules were enforced to the Max!! and you had to pay to post???

Randy
Randy, of course it's personal; reality is reality. No one that pays attention can truthfully deny that I am not the first to say what I said. Am I upset or hurt about it being personal? Not at all, but let's not sugarcoat it and say it isn't. :)

And yes, I liked the board better when the rules were enforced to the max.
 
Why is it necessary to post a screaming "The world is gonna end" thread on something anyone who wanted to could read in it's entirity on the original?
I like the site, I ponied up the $25, but I can't afford $100(right now at least). I'm not going to post a huge rant about how Rich is gonna MAKE me mod, or that the entire site will collapse, humanity will go mad, and the cat's fur is gonna fall out.
Why can't you wait and see how it goes before you put on the sackcloth and ashes?
And you know... posting an attack on the owner of a site is kind of ... foolish. I mean, did you think that somehow you are entitled? If Rich wants to change how his board is run, then by all means, he should. If you are THAT upset, go start your own board. Then you can run it EXACTLY how you like.
Wolfy (finding the drama less than amusing)
 
Actually with regard to accepting money, I have a different view on that. When I give money to this site I look at it as a donation, I donate to all sorts of things and people, it is my way of saying I believe in whatever it is I donate to.
Now when I buy, say, corns from Rich I would then be the customer looking for my product to come to me in the best possibe shape and with the best service one can give.
 
Wolfy-hound said:
Why is it necessary to post a screaming "The world is gonna end" thread on something anyone who wanted to could read in it's entirity on the original?
I like the site, I ponied up the $25, but I can't afford $100(right now at least). I'm not going to post a huge rant about how Rich is gonna MAKE me mod, or that the entire site will collapse, humanity will go mad, and the cat's fur is gonna fall out.
Why can't you wait and see how it goes before you put on the sackcloth and ashes?
And you know... posting an attack on the owner of a site is kind of ... foolish. I mean, did you think that somehow you are entitled? If Rich wants to change how his board is run, then by all means, he should. If you are THAT upset, go start your own board. Then you can run it EXACTLY how you like.
Wolfy (finding the drama less than amusing)
I didn't say the word is going to end, humanity will go mad, or the cat's fur is going to fall out, nor did I scream. That would be a dramatic rendition and I didn't resort to that, thank you very much. Look in the mirror before you spew about dramatics.

I'm not the one that ranted about the modding thing, and if that's how you see it, so be it. I didn't say I didn't like the change nor have I implied that. I said the exact opposite, I LIKE hard moderation and boards are FAR better off with it. There is no change to like or not like, anyway, other than who is going to be doing it. You missed that, somehow.

As for attacking him, I did not attack and said nothing more than others have said, even in the original thread. When you have the time, you can certainly feel free to search Fauna and see how many others have said the very same things in the past 2 years or so ... or not, your choice.

I do find it funny that you see me as upset, though. I'm not upset in the least, and there isn't much of my post that was opinion, and certainly none of it was emotion; it was all pretty much facts and/or relaying discussion of others. Perception and interpretation are definitely subjective, though, and we're all entitled to that.
 
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