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Bad Guy The Serpentarium- Lodi, Ca

Whatever mistakes Brandon has made, and I will not minimize them, I have to thank him for initiating this thread.
But for the information presented here, those looking to the BOI may not have had sufficient information to make their own informed choice about whether to do business with The Serpentarium.

Even if they had the last snake on earth, at this point, I would not do ANY business with The Serpentarium whatsoever. Feh.
 
Whatever mistakes Brandon has made, and I will not minimize them, I have to thank him for initiating this thread.
But for the information presented here, those looking to the BOI may not have had sufficient information to make their own informed choice about whether to do business with The Serpentarium.

Even if they had the last snake on earth, at this point, I would not do ANY business with The Serpentarium whatsoever. Feh.

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Bill's story is not that hard to follow.....

1. Bill agrees to sell Robert the Serpentarium for $228K.
2. Bill signs the property over to Robert.
3. Robert agrees to a payment plan.
4. Robert goes into bankruptcy.
5. Robert loses the business.
6. Robert's mom buys the business back at less than $0.50 on the dollar.
7. Bill apparently gets only $53K our of the $228K that was agreed on.
8. Robert gets to keep the name that Bill worked hard to make famous.

Robert was right about one thing, my accounting of how the saga went down was not 100% correct. As such, given Robert's account of what happened, I feel comfortable that this version will suffice:

1. Robert declares bankruptcy.

2. Bill agrees to sell Robert the Serpentarium for $228K.

3. Robert does not tell Bill his is in bankruptcy. Roberts rightly knows that if Bill knew he was in "BK", the deal would be off.

4. Robert agrees to a payment plan.

5. Robert "loses" the business because of HIS bankruptcy.

6. Robert's mom buys back the business/building for pennies on the dollar.

7. Robert's lawyer advises Robert not to pay Bill the money he owes him.

8. Robert has a guilty conscience so he let's Bill hang around and help out.

9. Robert continues to use the name/business that Bill started for roughly 23% of it's agreed value. Robert, ultimately decides that the legal semantic loophole some filthy ambulance chaser pointed out to him allows him to do so.

10. Robert continues to be puzzled as to why people think he has a weak moral compass.

11. Robert offers Bill a mention in the history section of his website thinking that this will show everyone what a great guy he is. Robert is further puzzled when people shake their heads in disgust at him.

YOU made a deal Robert with another man in which you AGREED to pay him $228K. It's now obvious that you entered into that agreement hiding the fact that you had filed for bankruptcy. Do you not understand how underhanded an act this was? Why not tell Bill that you are in bankruptcy and suggest that BOTH of you need to seek counsel on how to proceed BEFORE you agreed to the deal?

Just because some dirty lawyer tells you that you no longer have a legal obligation to honor you word doesn't mean that you don't have a MORAL obligation to honor your word.

If you are doing so damn well Robert, do what you agreed to do and pay Bill his money. Nobody but a few easily influenced people are going to be swayed by your honeyed words. As you can clearly see here, your standing with people who can cut through the BS is about as low as it can get.

Pay him the money Robert. Stop acting like your are the victim here.
 
Why not tell Bill that you are in bankruptcy and suggest that BOTH of you need to seek counsel on how to proceed BEFORE you agreed to the deal?

In my opinion, that could very well be the $64 question in all this.....
 
About 90% of our customer base is all new customers, people who have never even heard of The Serpentarium before. And that is because Bill did very little (if any) advertising in his days. WE utilize expensive billboards in high traffic areas.

I'm thinking there's a good reason for this.

Skiploder and Wilomn, :thumbsup:
 
Bankruptcy does not work that way Robert, If you do not claim something then it never reaches the court. However if they investigate they can find it. It is your job in bankruptcy to name and provide creditors and list property that will be up for discharge. Meaning you knew what was going to transpire. Plane and simple.

Brandon Adam
 
I can honestly say I am starting to feel bad for Robert. I never meant for any of this to happen. I was starting a thread about a 100 dollar snake and a little compassion. I may have exaggerated accidentally about the number of bumps from "covered", and "4" but did not mean to give a false picture. My mistake.

If anything can come from our exchange Robert, I do not expect you to apologize or admit you knew selling me the wild caught, with me thinking I was getting a CB. Or admitting to bluntly saying a refund was possible but you would take the snake to be euthanized or sent back to shipper. You will not admit these things, and that is okay. I forgive you for this and I will be so very happy to get my little Gonyo back very soon. This is where I step aside and let Bill and Roberts ordeal work itself out. Thank you all that have believed me, and to those that didn't and still do not, there is nothing more I can say to change this.

Robert has made his bed, and he has to lay in it.
 
SIDE NOTE: GBU opened a pet shop just a couple of minutes away from The serpentarium and unfortunately chooses to jump on ANY opportunity at bashing The Serpentarium simply because they feel that we are competition. Their posts clearly show this, and that in itself says enough about them.

Regards,

Robert Coral
The Serpentarium
www.SnakeMuseum.com

OMG What a statement! as long as I have known Sam and Naomi I have never heard them talk about anyone as competion! They are GREAT people with strong ethics, and passion for animals and a Will go out of their way to help people out.


Before this topic spirals off into oblivion, I want to take a moment and apologize for the statement I made above (in bold). What I said was uncalled for, and I'm sorry. I never mean to say anything bad about anyone else as it is unfair to do so. So I take it back.

The way each of us conducts our businesses speaks for itself.I hope this apology deters any further spiraling of this topic.

Sincerely,

Robert Coral
The Serpentarium
www.SnakeMuseum.com

That is the most TRUE statment you made...

For Clarification, my name is Bill Gillingham and I sold the Great Valley Serpentarium to Robert Coral back in the spring of 2009 for about $228,000. We drew up our own contract which was unsecured. I was to carry the loan. I had Robert's word this would work. I signed over to Robert the property on my own fearing any lawsuits he may encounter in the business (my mistake). Unfortunately all of this was caught up in his bankruptcy that I learned after the fact. Robert's mother was able to buy the business back from the State for $100,000. Robert was suppose to pay his mother $1500 per month. I asked Robert if he could pay me a little less of the difference of the original price, $100,000 at $500 per month. I volunteered for awhile taking care of the baby room making sure that the 800 plus baby snakes got a good start at life. I may have recieved a couple of payments then it stopped after I went into the hospital for a knee replacement. I heard Robert was not going to pay anymore because I told people I had lost the Serpentatium in his bankruptcy. I did receive some money from the bankruptcy settlement, $53,000. If Robert told anyone he is still paying me, I would like to see it.
I made an unfortunate mistake especially after running the business for nearly 20 years. I bred the False Water Cobra back in the mid 1980's, also bred the Redtail Green Rat, several species of Boiga and the first breeding of the Mandarin Ratsnake in the United States. Robert did'nt breed anything except possibly ball pythons until he took over my collection. I had all the breeders already bred and ready to lay, corns, kings, boas, pythons, false water cobras, rat snakes etc. Yes, I made a horrible and dumb mistake but I have forgiven Robert, that's just who I am.

Thanks for your input I had only heard storrys from other people...


And what was that?

The only reason why I think that would be so is that it would show the debt wasn't charged off in the bankruptcy and you might be actually liable to pay the full amount. Why would it matter? Unless of course you don't want that obligation.

YOU LOOKED HIM IN THE FACE AND TOLD HIM YOU WOULD PAY HIM.... SO PAY THE MAN!!!

Robert and Marcie were once very good friends. I had been warned not to trust Robert but I did because when I allow someone into my heart I give with my all. He betrayed the trust and love I had for them.
This will not matter to some, some will say I am the competition so can't be trusted, but those that know me, know of me, know I am speaking from the heart.
I know YOU, Robert Coral, for the liar you are. That is enough for me.
There will be no explainations.

I have never heard Sam and Naomi say a bad word about robert untill today..
 
Just because some dirty lawyer tells you that you no longer have a legal obligation to honor you word

Actually, he may have a legal obligation to honor his word if he acknowledged the debt after the bankruptcy and made some payments, which is what Bill claims.
 
This ultimately happened due to the honest mistake (mistake nonetheless) made on Bill’s behalf when he (as he stated) signed over the building into our names to avoid any potential lawsuits (e.g. customer slipping, etc.), as well as to avoid paying property taxes and association dues. Unfortunately Bill did NOT share this information with us, that he making the transfer, until after the fact.

The moment that Bill transferred the building into our names - without us knowing until after the fact - it immediately became the property of the state (not ours).

I would really like to hear what Bill has to say about these two statements.
Unless California has some REALLY unusual laws on the transfer of real property, I call BS on this out of hand.
You cannot transfer ownership of real estate, or anything else with a deed or title, without signatures from both parties. In the case of real estate, lawyers are involved.
You expect us to believe that all of a sudden, completely without your knowledge, you magically became the owner of this building? Without having acknowledged the transfer of ownership, assuming of the obligation to pay taxes on said property, nor signing a single piece of paper?
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The big question here is, did we steal/swindle/wrangle the business out from under Bill? The answer is NO, absolutely not.

Actually from anyone's moral/ethical perspective that's exactly what you did, unless you choose to fulfill your agreement with Bill.
Bankruptcy be damned, you agreed to pay Bill $228,000 for the business. In the end you got it for $153,000, assuming you pay back your mother, and Bill got all of $53,000.
Yes, you cheated him, and are continuing to do so.

You entered into this purchase agreement while intentionally refusing to mention that you were currently in bankruptcy proceedings.
I can't say whether you thought you'd end up with the business for far less or not, but at the very least you went forward with the purchase in bad faith, knowingly withholding very pertinent information from the seller.
You gave your word to Bill that the deal would be completed when you signed the contract with him. In the end that's all there is that remains, your broken word.
Just because the courts do their thing and say Bill has to eat the loss in no way changes the fact that you personally gave your word to the man.
When everything else is taken away in life all a man has is his word and yours sir is worthless.

Now you have the money to open a second location as well as a distribution warehouse, but you are perfectly content having only paid Bill $53,000 of the $228,000 you agreed upon.

I don't kid myself by thinking anything I or anyone else here has to say will cause you to have a crisis of conscience and fulfill your obligation to Bill, but when all is said and done, you are a thief and a liar, and everything you have built and continue to build is entirely based on the fact that you acquired the business in the first place by shafting Bill to the tune of $175,000.

You can talk all you want about mistakes being made on both sides, but the truth is the mistakes were yours alone. YOU chose not to mention being in bankruptcy. As a direct result of that it's YOUR fault the state took possession of the business and your mother had to buy it back for you. That has nothing at all to do with Bill, it's entirely YOUR debt to her, and in no way decreases the debt you agreed upon to Bill.

All you're doing is taking advantage of the system to get out of paying a debt and pocketing a whole lot of money.
The fact that you are apparently perfectly ok with that disgusts me.
 
I'm sorry, but something about this deal between Robert Coral and Bill Gillingham just stinks REAL badly, in my opinion. Seriously, WHY would anyone in the process of declaring bankruptcy enter into an agreement to pay another party $228,000 during this time when obviously the reason he is filing bankruptcy is because of apparently not having the funds to pay back past and current debts?
 
I would really like to hear what Bill has to say about these two statements.
Unless California has some REALLY unusual laws on the transfer of real property, I call BS on this out of hand.
You cannot transfer ownership of real estate, or anything else with a deed or title, without signatures from both parties. In the case of real estate, lawyers are involved.
Now, I've not bought business property in CA, but have bought a house here, and when we were doing that I wasn't even allowed to sign for my spouse or take the document home to be signed. Andi had to leave work multiple times to come put a John Hancock on one new piece of paper or another in front of our agents.

We also had a family member co-sign to secure the loan, and those papers had to be over-nighted back and forth via mail to get his signatures, too, and those had to be notarized since they weren't signed in front of the agent and the agent's notary.

Same with renting business property -- all had to be done in an office, in front of the proper officials.
 
I'm sorry, but something about this deal between Robert Coral and Bill Gillingham just stinks REAL badly, in my opinion. Seriously, WHY would anyone in the process of declaring bankruptcy enter into an agreement to pay another party $228,000 during this time when obviously the reason he is filing bankruptcy is because of apparently not having the funds to pay back past and current debts?

I am sure they thought this business would fall under the radar of the court, just like they thought they could quietly forget paying Bill what he is owed.

What irks me the most is that Robert is playing the victim here, while he continues to victimize Bill! Whining about how hard things got for YOU Robert, is just unbelievable when it was your spending practices, personal or otherwise that got you into the bankruptcy predicament in the first place. Bill is YOUR victim because he trusted you and you were not honest with him.
 
How I overlooked all that is beyond me...why does one decide to buy a 228k business while in the midst of a bankruptcy? And how exactly did that get them out of paying him? Seems pretty bogus.
 
Well sorry to be the party pooper here with all this legal eagle stuff, but how is the snake doing? We have gotten soooo side-tracked by a different matter at hand that we have not been told if there has been a final resolution of sorts.
 
Gonyo

Well he is looking a lot better. there is still some residual scabs from his blisters. His mouth has dried up and he had a well formed poop.
Better still he is starting to get attitude! He was very docile when he first arrived but now the tongue flick is starting to develope that annoyance pattern and he is starting to strike at things.
Gotta love them!
 

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