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THE SNAKE PIT WAS BURGLARIZED *AGAIN* LAST NIGHT!!

Yeah...that's right Apple...I stole the money from all of you, so I could put it in my off-shore account, so I can move to the Bahamas and live like a king (all $1500 worth)! Then I posted another thread asking for an accounting so I could know exactly who I stole the money from and how much each of you gave me???
Will you get real??? The only person responsible for the disappearance of that money, is James Thornton....find him, and you'll find your money!

And, I'll ask again?? What's the difference if there was no report made for that burglary?? I had no insurance?? What was I going to accomplish?? I didn't know Rich was going to act so generously?? You guys didn't even know it?? Your contributions had nothing to do with any police report...it had to do with you guys wanting to help a fellow herper??? For which I was, and am greatly appreciative....even if it did end up here??? This was not my goal (duh)....Neil
 
John.I can understand your opinion.But look at the post put up "Money James Thornton stole" I think Neil turned on Thornton ruined his name so that no one would believe James if he did tell the truth (that he and Neil took the money)Now Neil does it again Thornton sees a chance to get Neil takes it and Calls Neil's dad.Tells him the truth,Neil's dad thinks that it is credible enough to make calls to other people to ask "do you think Neil staged these buglaries?" Neil's dad tells Neil what has happened and out of nowhere Neil starts to defend himself to people before we knew about it.
 
Yeah Neil sure
We all thought a report was filed, that things were being handled on the up and up
THAT IS WHY WE ALL CONTRIBUTED[yes to help out a 'fellow' herper also]
But look.... I had some snakes stolen and no report was filed so will you people contribute to catch this fictitious character
please I'll hire a detective and mislead him or not tell the whole srory and then when he gets too close I'll sent another trail and totally piss him off
 
Neil,
If you didn't take the Dec 01 theft seriously, how would you expect the police too? By not filing a report, the police never knew it happened! You said earlier that with your past break ins the police never found anything. I think there is a big difference between the past break ins and the one that took place in Dec 01. They didn't just break in and steal some stuff, according to you they TRASHED the place, destroyed cages, tanks and killed animals! How would you ever expect to try and catch these people if you never bothered to fill out a report?

Dennis Gulla
 
The purpose of a police report IS to give them the information they need to help them SOLVE the crime. When it happened you were so angry about the mali getting squished and the baby turtles getting SLAUGHTERED it seemed like you would do anything to find the perps.Now you are saying
 " And, I'll ask again?? What's the difference if there was no report made for that burglary?? I had no insurance?? What was I going to accomplish?? "  I do not think you need to be told what difference it makes. So what if you did not think the cops would investigate. They might have,... they might have found the perp.... No police report.... No investigation! We all spent $1400 to help find the people that did this. Do you think any of us would have contributed 1 cent if we knew that you did not even think it was important enough for you to file a police report?

It makes a lot of difference Neil and you know it does. Go back and read your thread on that crime. You were outraged, furious, offering a reward!...
  But you had know insurance so you did not file a report?
 
Well....now we KNOW Neil is a liar.

I'm not gonna count.....but how many times did Neil say he filed a report for that burglary?

And now he wants to say "So what if I DIDN'T file a report, I didn't have insurance"

WHAT?

I was hoping to see proof that Neil didn't do any of this.....but now I don't need any....because he is talking out of both sides of his mouth. Gotta assume the rest is at least partially true.

This thread should be a good indication as to where "taking the low road" can lead you.

Sad stuff, really.

Tom Chambers
 
Dennis...you don't understand ....the cops were at the Dec burglary for quite some time that Sunday morning!! I'm not saying that a report wasn't made?? I just can't understand why the police would be there, and see the destruction, and not make a report?? I just don't remember.... I said there might not be a report because we haven't been able to find the report YET, it was very possible that a report was not made?? Of course I took it seriously?? Just like the first couple of burglaries...even if I had made a report...it was pointed out to me, very clearly, that it would be very difficult to distinguish one snake from another, even if it had some verifiable scars....that morning...I was certainly not in the best of shape....I was fuming mad, to the verge of tears....I was in no mood to talk to anyone, I was a mess...as any of you would have been....I'm truly sorry you feel the way you do, but, I always had the best of intentions in mind....Neil
 
He stole the donation money, or he didn't.  He staged his own break-ins, or he didn't.  Right now, I don't care.  I think we should continue to press for answers, but like everyone else, I'm beginning to be less optimistic about everything.

Neil, I don't know how in the world you can go from basically saying, "I'm holding all four reports in my hand" (which would include the 12/15-16/01 break-in), to "So what if I didn't file a report [on that burglary]?"  Can you really expect anyone to believe you on the rest of your story?  You were ADAMANT about not lying when you said you filed a report.  You even went so far as to try and say that the 3/25/01 report was for that same burglary!  But when we all pressed you to come up with SOME kind of reasonable explanation for the dates not matching, all you can say is "SO WHAT?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>?"

For your sake, I hope you didn't do all of this.  I don't want you to have to go to jail.  But if you think I'll ever trust you again, you're sadly mistaken.  You probably don't much care one way or the other about me and my pidley little snake money, but if anyone ever asks me about you, I'll send them to this thread so they can see for themselves how you flat out lied to a whole group of people who deserved way better than this from you.  Not in your nature to lie to us?  Yeah, right.  

I seem to recall a recent president who couldn't remember the facts of his actions when he was backed into a corner.  I didn't believe him either.
 
A time line for all

May 5.  
Neil's post about some BS Dave is My friend talk.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> I would, however, LOVE to know if MY FRIEND DAVE even KNOWS about this yet?? He hasn't come on here to either stick up for Julie (his girlfriend)! Or to STICK UP FOR ME!!! HIS FRIEND!! WHO'S BEEN STICKING UP FOR HIM SINCE THE BEGINNING!!! Nice payback, Dave!! ....I REALLY appreciate it! ....This must be the, "I'm staying OUT of this one!" ploy! That hurts! But, as long as you're happy??? Thanks....Neil </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

May 6
email from Neil to Rich
chit...I am a suspect....time to distract and put attention on my "friend"
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Subject:          burglary
 Date:          Mon, 6 May 2002 19:29:49 -0400 (EDT)
 From:         [email protected] (Neil Gubitz)
   To:          [email protected]


Rich....I just heard some very disturbing news....I didn't want to put it out publicly....The NEXT TIME you speak to Tom...please make him aware that I would like him to focus on DAVE LAWSON!!!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

May 8
Crowd control
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Posted: May 08 2002,23:15    

I'm not sure if Rich will allow this statement to stay, but, I thought you all should hear this from ME before you hear it some other place....
I am not going to go into details, but, I have heard, today, that there are ruors going around that I acually orchestrated ALL FOUR f my own burglaries for the (non-existing) insurance money!! Oh, AND to squeeze money out of my father!!
All I'm going to say HERE, is: it's ridiculous!! ....Neil
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You know
This was pointed out to me
shouldn't there be a report on the dispatch log at the police station
the police file a report on every occurrance be it whatever that they dispatch a car to or a car has to react to
there is some proof that they were there or were they
If this happened the way it did  ,..animal deaths and destruction. I don't Know a single cop that would not file a report.....but I guess you do Neil
If they came at all to your establishment ITS ON RECORD!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Quick question...calll me stupid.
But when someone backed into my motorcycle.....The cops came out....and THEY wrote out a police report.

When someone stole my motorcycle..........the cops came out and they filled out a police report.

When my wife got into an accident....the cops cam out andthey filled out a police report.

So me question is.....since when do we regular citizens get to fill out police reports?
 
You are right.Now I can back track.....

I told everyone that Neil would not let them dust for prints,Remember? The police were there Neil refused to let them dust so they left a contact card and left.He would not let them do their job.

This came from Neil's mouth to my ears.
 
Even if a contact card was given , they reacted , there SHOULD be a report filed stating the victums reaction to the crime and the condition of the premises
They do this to protect themselves
 
yes you would think so.When I got these other reports the lady said "THAT IS EVERYTHING I HAVE. The other reason they had nothing to give is maybe they reopened the case it was said at the last robbery  "This was a inside job" since a crime scene person said this maybe they have reopened the Dec. one to.Who knows,I can call and check.
 
Dave,

You did good in posting raw documentation with those police reports.  Don't backslide now and talk about cops citing an "inside job" without having some substance to back it up, please.  If you definitively find something out, post it for all to see, but if it is just something you "heard" with no substantiating evidence, leave it out so as not to fan the flames.  Thanks.

Darin
 
I have remained out of the visible picture in most of this thread. With good reason, as many people will surmise.  I felt my efforts were better utilized trying to work with Mr. Tom Crowley, since he is probably the only one with non-biased information on all this.

But things have not gone well.  Quite frankly, the man has pissed me off.  So I will post the last email I sent to him on 05/21/02 at 5:23 pm.  I will post this without any further comment, for now.

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Tom,

I have been accused by my friends that I am a bit too confrontational for my own good. This may well be, but it clears the air in a hurry and leaves no doubt in people’s mind where I stand about some things.

Quite frankly, sir, I believe you are lying to me.

Excerpts from emails you have sent me:

(A) “At Dave's  his request I made some preliminary inquiries and as I thought from the very beginning I believe Gubitz has been staging his own burglaries all along. Since the other investigation is now officially closed I can speak more freely and legally. I know where there are certain items of evidence that would place Gubitz in the position of having to defend himself  in a criminal court. I do not believe he would be able to do that as the evidence in incontrovertible.”

(B) “I interviewed about twenty people over a period of about three weeks off and on as it was the holiday season.”

© “I believe that I can complete the investigation in two to three days which would be in the neighborhood of 15 to 16 hundred.”

(D) “Under Florida Statutes, Section 493.6122 I am prohibited from making information available that was obtained during the course of an investigation to anyone but the client, who in this case is James Thornton. I am awaiting a decision from the Division of Licensing, Department of State in Tallahassee to see if I can release that information due to the fact he that he has broken his contract with me by not paying me and by refusing to correspond in any fashion.”

(E) “I believe however that if you read between the lines you will come to the conclusion that this whole thing was a fraud from the beginning.  Why is the Snake Pit always burglarized? His own help as well as others around him who he thinks are his friends say he mistreats his animals and staged the burglaries himself. Again, I can't prove this but it is a very disturbing set of circumstances.”

Do you see the inconsistencies in the above statements extracted from the emails you sent me?  For Item B you charged $1,170 dollars for work done over a three week period.  For Item C, you want to charge from between $1,500 and $1,600 for two or three days work.  I am calling your ethics into issue here.  There are a number of possibilities, none of which set well with me:


You did not do anything of any substance in your original investigation.  There is no file worth the $1,170 and you have no intentions of forwarding that on to me for my inspection.  Please bear in mind the letter I sent enclosed with the  check.  You had the option of using that check to pay for that investigation or use it towards a new investigation.  You chose to apply it to the open investigation and thereby closed that account.  This implies strongly that you accepted my involvement with the arrangements for this case in association with James Thornton and fully recognized the check I sent as a valid payment towards that case.  As such, you don’t really have a leg to stand on when you continue to refuse to send me what is now rightfully mine.

In a letter that was to be copied to Mr. Jay Gubitz,  (Item D) you mentioned a Florida Statute that is the basis of your being prohibited from making information available in an investigation to anyone other than the client.  That is complete cow manure.  That statute reads:

493.6122  Information about licensees; confidentiality.--The residence telephone number and residence address of any Class "C," Class "CC," Class "E," or Class "EE" licensee maintained by the department is confidential and exempt from the provisions of s. 119.07(1), except that the department may provide this information to local, state, or federal law enforcement agencies. When the residence
telephone number or residence address of such licensee is, or appears to be, the business telephone number or business address, this information shall be public record.

Nice try, though.

(2) You see a cash cow on the horizon here and feel that maybe you can squeeze me for more money to get what you should have accomplished in the first investigation.  Perhaps getting paid the padding you have put into this latest figure is for the time you will have to put into getting that first file worth the money originally spent on it, and then you will ‘graciously’ send that to me as well.  Sorry, Mr. Crowley, but this won’t wash.

I think I could make a pretty strong case here that you are involved in your own little scam here.  I certainly have the evidence to make it pretty uncomfortable for you on several fronts.  Firstly, it was YOU that first planted the seed in my head about Neil Gubitz being the perpetrator of the breakins at his own store.  There are several other people that you mentioned that to (in violation of that 493.6122, by the way).  You have been paid $1,170 and delivered NOTHING for that money, and are asking for even more with the vague promise that you can now deliver the goods.  See Item A.  And when the second investigation somehow proves inconclusive, I don’t think it is a stretch of the imagination to believe that just a few more days worth of work will be all that you need to get this all wrapped up.  Again, nice try.

I have already proven that Item D is a lie.  Items A, B, Cand E cannot all be true at the same time.  So what are you up to, Mr. Crowley?  What exactly IS your involvement with Neil Gubitz and James Thornton?  James Thornton hired you, and then apparently dropped out of the picture leaving you a balance owed for ‘work’ you performed.  You were investigating a burglary at Neil Gubitz’s Snake Pit pet shop and say you were sent on wild goose chases the entire time you were spending our money.  In Item E, you claim that you cannot prove the Neil staged the burglaries, yet in Items A and C, you say that you can, for an additional fee.  I once told you that I cannot understand why James would have hired an apparently competent, ethical private investigator if, as you have claimed, he were involved with this scam along with Neil Gubitz.  Are you answering my own question now?

Two considerations are paramount here:  1.  If you have evidence or can get evidence that will implicate Neil Gubitz in criminal activity, and are not turning this information over to the proper authorities, you are engaging in obstruction of justice.  2.  If you do not have the information that you say that you have, and have been spreading rumors to various people claiming that Neil is responsible for criminal activities, you are engaging in slander and libel.

Two things are possible outcomes when the above paragraph is considered: 1. Detective Cole of the TPD will be informed of your emails claiming access to information pertinent to an ongoing investigation.  You will necessarily have to turn that information over to him *for free*, or be in violation of the law yourself.  2. If you cannot provide the evidence you claim you have access to, you are engaging in slander and libel of Neil Gubitz without a shred of tangible evidence.  As such, I will have no other choice but to forward your emails on to him to be used as evidence for his probable lawsuit against you.  There is a very good chance that such emails will be demanded in a subpoena anyway, so I might as well try to avoid that problem on my own.  As such, you will be FORCED to defend yourself in court from a slander and libel suit, and you will necessarily have to come up with the evidence we had been willing to pay you a reasonable sum for, and provide it as court evidence *for free*.

Confrontational?  Me?  You betcha!  Mr. Crowley, I started up the Board of Inquiry and have spent a whole lot of time, money, effort, and headaches all because someone pissed me off a couple of years ago.  And YOU sir, have pissed me off.

Your time is limited to consider your options.  Dave Lawson is awaiting Detective Cole to return from vacation and will certainly be taking this information you have provided via email to him.  Neil Gubitz caught wind of at least one of the emails you sent me saying unkind things about him and has personally requested that I send it to him.  I cannot put him off for long, nor will I in order to protect you.  I expect all hell will break loose when I do send all of your emails to him.

The ball is in your court
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If anyone would like to contact Mr. Crowley and try to make more headway than I have been able to do, his contact information is below:


Thomas K. Crowley CFE
Florida Certified Private Investigator
North American Investigations
Region III Director INTELNET
Region III Director NALI
http://www.detectiveworld.com
[email protected]

P.O. BOX 271322
TAMPA, FL 33688
OFFICE - (813) 962-2435
FAX - (813) 963-1485
 
Holy ####, everybody's guilty. Neil staged the robberies as an insurance scam and tried to implicate Dave. Or Dave staged the robberies and tried to implicate Neil.  James Thornton embezzled the funds that were to go to the private detective to find out if Neil or Dave were implicated in the robbery. The private detective is trying to extort more money out of the interested parties to tell what he knows (if anything). Now we are going after the private investigator because he's crooked. Will it never end? Is there anyone that won't be sucked into this slim  filled pit of   deceit and lies. Can it be long before someone implicates Ex President Bill Clinton in all of this. Stay tuned
Ross Buskard
 
Webslave...
in answer to your private message....
Even if the Bridge has been burned......
the PI has to come out and at least protect his name.

he is either blocking due process
or he is involved in slander......

either way he has to choose

for his own protection....it would be smart if he released his records/files
 
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