Info Thomas Dorn - aeterrabyte

[ShadowAceD]

X-Rays are harmful in excess, not on occasion. How exactly did you get into a graduate science program? Really, I'm curious.

You state Yellow is the same as she was when she was shipped, but then you say her nuero issues are super prevalent, so which is it?

You have proven yourself to be incompetent in ball python care even though you are oh so ever experienced at two years. You seem hell bent on sending this animal back, not on your own dime, because the CC company wants you to ... no, wait ... it does not matter ... wait, yes it does .. but PayPal already gave you your money back ... no, hold on, it was the CC company ... but no, wait, they you to send the animal back ... she's healthy ... no, she has a severe wobble ... you're happy with her, but she's sick ... no wait, congenital defect ... the vet did everything he could to determine she is unhealthy ... no wait, he just looked at her ... but you need money to get more tests run ... but no test exists ... wait, send 300.00 to PayPal and you'll have tests done ... but, Rob cannot communicate with the vet ...

Does any of that make sense?

No, it does not. And it is what you have said and continue to do.

If you do not want Rob to speak to the vet. let a third part, similar to the shipping issue at current.

No one here believes you care about Yellow's safety and well being, how about you attempt, just for a second, to look around and do the right thing in the better interest of that animal?

 

[laterob]

Ha

Water is in the lungs. 70% of the body is made of water.

Yup. This is why it is impossible to drown.

 

[aeterrabyte]

Yup. This is why it is impossible to drown.

Ok well, here is what is going to happen.

I am not commenting anymore because it is useless and everyone on here is ignorant of the facts and is holding on to their emotional opinions and false beliefs based on robs incorrect assumptions in the first post.

Rob started a negative thread about me because he is trying to make me look bad to keep a animal that should not have been sold in the first place.

This is what is going to happen.

1. Rob if you hear from me again that you are getting the snake back. You will get it back.

2. If not and you want the snake you will have to pay me the money you owe me and pay the return shipping

3. I will continue to work with the credit card company to resolve this matter.


Bye

 

[ShadowAceD]

Actually, it was an informational thread and could have gone either way.

You made it negative.

Congratulations on that.

 

[laterob]

I am not commenting anymore because it is useless and everyone on here is ignorant of the facts and is holding on to their emotional opinions and false beliefs based on robs incorrect assumptions in the first post. Nonsense.
Rob started a negative thread about me because he is trying to make me look bad to keep a animal that should not have been sold in the first place. Info thread. I will gladly accept return of the snake, as I have offered since the beginning.This is what is going to happen.

1. Rob if you hear from me again that you are getting the snake back. You will get it back.

2. If not and you want the snake you will have to pay me the money you owe me and pay the return shipping. Not up to you. We'll see what happens.3. I will continue to work with the credit card company to resolve this matter. You mean to get a refund, keep the snake, and not have to apologize for accusing me of selling sick snakes or 'a snake that never should have been sold'?
Bye


Thomas, why did the wobble manifest itself 18/19 days into your care?

 

[Lucille]

Water is in the lungs. 70% of the body is made of water.

Your assumptions of water, and trama are false.

I am apprehensive about the rest of his collection. This is beyond uninformed. Those poor snakes.

 

[Shadera]

I could do this.

I don't know either party but have been keeping up with this thread.

I'm 30 minutes from Thomas and an experienced shipper.

What happened to willing to meet up with Tim?

 

[Charlotte&Loki]

Wow, I really do feel bad for all the kiddos (as in snakes) this guy has.

Thomas, if you actually were talking to a lawyer, you'd not be posting on this thread unless the lawyer is a really bad one.

I'm still a little disbelieving that you can be a physics PhD candidate and not even spell "bred" correctly. NO ONE that has read this thread is on your side. This is on you, Thomas. Your address is perfectly allowed to be plastered all over the internet as long as you are conducting business. Luckily, this thread is the first result when you search "Thomas Dorn Reptiles" so presumably your internet business will be pretty nonexistent.

 

[Charlotte&Loki]

Not to mention how disgusting I think it is that an alive, defenseless creature is being held for what's essentially ransom. Poor girl.

 

[Xaila]

I am apprehensive about the rest of his collection. This is beyond uninformed. Those poor snakes.

Presumably if this person is studying physical chemistry at the graduate level and has a bachelor's in chem, they would've had to pass at least one basic biology class somewhere. Someone obviously slept through lectures

 

[Lucille]

The thread will be removed and the website will be shut down if found in violation with the law

This is fantasy thinking. Just like those people who believe they will win the lottery and then they will live happily ever after.
I am thinking that Thomas yearns to wake up and find that the mess he created here is all a bad dream.

While I'm sure it was a nightmare for the poor snake, the rest of it is real, Thomas.

 

[Charlotte&Loki]

This thread will not go away, Thomas. It will be here tomorrow and it will be here in 10 years (don't believe me, go check out the Bad Guy threads circa 2002). I'm positive you're not the first person to puff yourself up and try to get big and scary, then make nothing of it.

 

[Tenor Goddess]

Thanks for the vote of confidence...

In my decision that YOU are in the wrong here Thomas. I asked simple questions, I made no accusations of you until now.
Seeing as how you REFUSE to answer any questions about your own husbandry other than deeming it "perfect" by your standards, and are unwilling to listen to any options for what might be going on, and then being so kind as to point out your opinion that we are all ignorant for asking about testing....now I'm convinced you are someone I never want to do business with.

Captive bread don't have parasites, and yellow is gaining weight and growing. She just has the neuro defect.

This should be directed at Rob. I just got her.

You guys are ignorant because you keep talking about "testing" what tests? You don't even know what tests exist.

You guys are like parrots you hear a word and keep repeating it. I bet you also watch a lot of TV

So says the man who claims he's an expert level keeper with only 2 years under his belt and refuses to admit he could ever even possibly make a mistake.
You're right Thomas, I know nothing with my 21+ years experience in keeping reptiles, 30+ years in keeping animals period from small furry exotics to dogs, cats, birds and my over 4 years experience as a veterinary technician.

Tests that should and were probably recommended, that you no doubt refused:
1. Fecal test - to see if there are any parasites. While fecal floats are not absolute, there are more advanced versions of this too - ever heard of a culture?
2. Blood tests - to help draw conclusions towards a myriad of potential issues, from infections in the body, blood and tissues period, to narrow down possible issues.
3. X-rays - more of an advanced thing to do if parasites have been ruled out, and there is an inkling of a suspicion that her spine might have issues. Yes, they are costly, but worth it to make sure your animal is healthy.

Rob stated he would have paid for testing, yet you did none. As a potential buyer, this alerts me to believe you are not willing to make sure the animal is problem free, but are more concerned with getting attention for yourself and attempting to prove that you are right, without even doing ACTUAL testing to prove it.

You stated captive bred do not have parasites. WRONG. They can get parasites from inadequate quarantine, nasty bedding, and even food. Regardless if you feed live, which can harbor parasites, they can get it from frozen as well, because not all parasites are killed in the freezing process. Some merely lie dormant and become active when warm again.
Unless you physically breed your own stock and have for a few generations to prove they are healthy, you cannot know this.
IF you had actually done the appropriate testing to rule our parasites (which is the easiest, and cheapest route to go for the record and first thing you should test for), you would also need to test some of your feeder stock, to make sure they are not the source of the parasites before pointing a finger at someone else.

It's that little thing called...oh wait....ummm...yeah...SCIENCE.

Amanda Rose

 

[Charlotte&Loki]

Here you go, Thomas. Directly from the BOI rules. I believe you've been redirected to these rules many times.

As a FYI, I have several times been threatened with lawsuits from people demanding that I delete a message unflattering to them, OR ELSE. I am fully aware that anyone can sue anyone else and not have a shred of legal basis to support their suit. But understand that I AM protected by law from liability stemming from any message someone else may post here. If you wish, you can study the following link:

Communications Decency Act of 1996

Yes, there certainly can be libelous messages posted here and yes, you may be able to prove it. But you have to prove it FIRST, and provide a court order to me before I will remove a message from this BOI. Prior to this happening, all I have to go on is your word against another's.

Also, please bear in mind that threatening to, or following through with, filing a lawsuit against either the webmaster here (me) or anyone else posting on this message board carries substantial risks to yourself. Such an action will most certainly be made very public, and the public backlash will quite probably be much more than you had bargained for. More than likely, the damage to you or your business from initiating such an action will be far, far greater than the original cause of your finding a reason to contact an attorney in the first place. This has already happened once, and the person whom initiated the threat of a lawsuit not only became the target of a boycott, but every one of his business's customers were targeted for a boycott as well. This will be very dangerous ground for you to be walking on.

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

Thomas, read that last post. It makes sense, doesn't it?

I will gladly accept her back, less shipping, if you can show that she is healthy.

I will gladly accept her back, and pay for testing and shipping, if you can show she is sick. You accused me of selling a sick snake that shouldn't have been sold.

That vet bill doesn't really show either, and you haven't been really clear on her current state.

I think you'll win the chargeback.

Actually Rob he probably won't.

Before anyone asks...yes...I work for a Bank and yes...I know what i am talking about

When a chargeback is issued by a consumer, the money is immediately returned to them. This return, however, is conditional. The CC company cannot make a final decision without hearing both sides. They will contact you by mail and request your side of the story along with any other documentation you have that demonstrates that the animal was shipped, received in good order, examined by the buyer and approved by the buyer.

You have plenty to show them.

This is a live animal situation. They will take the length of time the animal was in the buyer's possession into account prior to him alerting you to any problem. the congenital issue with Spiders (wobbling) will need to be explained.

You have an excellent chance of winning this issue.

If it were me I would categorically alert Thomas that you are not approving return of the animal until the chargeback is settled. He has stated in more than one post that the animal is now in the same condition it was in when he received it. he also stated that upon receipt, the animal was in good shape.

Ipso facto...the animal is now in good shape.

CC chargebacks are not a function of buyer's remorse.

Not feeling so cocky now are you Thomas?

 

[Lucille]

You have plenty to show them.

Great post
I'd send them a copy of this thread for starters.

I have bought many snakes on fauna

I was looking through the thread and this caught my eye. I'd think there would be some feedback, no? And it is hard to miss this thread, wouldn't all those 'many' sellers pipe up with their experiences?

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

Ha

Water is in the lungs. 70% of the body is made of water.

Really Thomas...really???

You have never heard of aspiration pneumonia?

No animals have dies in your care...yet!!!

I think you might want to start coming to terms with the fact that a doctoral program might be shooting a bit high.

Incidentally...thanks for the visitor messages. The threats were entertaining. You are really digging that hole with both hands aren't you?

 

[cinderbird]

Actually Rob he probably won't.

Before anyone asks...yes...I work for a Bank and yes...I know what i am talking about

When a chargeback is issued by a consumer, the money is immediately returned to them. This return, however, is conditional. The CC company cannot make a final decision without hearing both sides. They will contact you by mail and request your side of the story along with any other documentation you have that demonstrates that the animal was shipped, received in good order, examined by the buyer and approved by the buyer.

You have plenty to show them.

This is a live animal situation. They will take the length of time the animal was in the buyer's possession into account prior to him alerting you to any problem. the congenital issue with Spiders (wobbling) will need to be explained.

You have an excellent chance of winning this issue.

If it were me I would categorically alert Thomas that you are not approving return of the animal until the chargeback is settled. He has stated in more than one post that the animal is now in the same condition it was in when he received it. he also stated that upon receipt, the animal was in good shape.

Ipso facto...the animal is now in good shape.

CC chargebacks are not a function of buyer's remorse.

Not feeling so cocky now are you Thomas?

Suncoast Herpetological is exactly right. This is exactly the process I've gone through on an (unrelated to anything in this thread) charge back. I highly doubt the credit card company will side with Thomas given the circumstances.

This whole situation is horrible. I can't believe that Thomas would risk the life of Yellow by even thinking about shipping in these conditions. Something is up, if he won't answer your questions (as you have posted them calmly and rationally time and time again) he's dodging something. My best bet is he did something to her in his care and now has a serious case of buyers remorse and wants to push her back on you.

 

[laterob]

I don't really have a side. All I have is a sick snake...Even if It was healthy I could still not be happy with her and return her.

Yes, Thomas, and that's the irony. If she is healthy, and you are simply unhappy, I am more than willing to refund your purchase price, minus return shipping.

I don't care about ads right now. I care about snakes and not making this worse. Rob's got to act like a big boy and tell me what is going on, on his end. He is not being very corporative right now and if more animals die because of him that would just be a damm shame.

In retrospect, this seems to have proven to be a little bit overdramatic.

You guys are not only morons but children. Keeping information from me that I need to keep animals live.

Also a bit dramatic, IMHO.

I have suggested all along that something went wrong on Saturday or Sunday. The drastic change is the main reason I decided to bring the issue to the discussion forum (that, and the tube-feeding of water to a snake that was 'healthy' and ate on its own the day before).

Thats helpful. Lets see how she is tomorrow and what the vet says. Im trying to think what shock she went though? If that was the case wouldn't some of the other balls on the same rack have similar problems? I have some vanillas in an older rack with an on off thermostat. The probe fell out and it got really got. Like to 120. They are absolutely fine right now. Thats why I'm saying a small disrupting in husbandry is not going to cause a severe issue. It's got to be a developmental problem.

Tube-feeding water to a snake that's trying to digest a meal and most likely going into shed is a bit of a shock. What developmental problem manifests itself so quickly, and then apparently fades away/ gets better?

Haha you got to go with the simplest explanation. Why not aliens infesting her mind though another dimension. That sounds more reasonable then chemicals in the mouse!

Given your academic background and possible history with some questionable chemicals, and your apparent interest in the metaphysical, I'd think they'd both be equally-plausible to you.

I thought she would be dead by now.

Hopefully not.

When you go to vet school you can specialize in exotics which includes birds and reptiles. The guy is legit. I search for a reptile vet in austin and that was the recommendation I got.

I think the vet will say the same thing and also I will tell him what I did I will be honest with him he is a decent guy been to him a few times.

People, I just got back from the vet. It was not the usual guy I see, but he told me that he used to breed ball pythons. We both think the snake is a goner.

So you searched, found a guy, went to him a few times, saw his Partner/ Coworker, had no tests done, and you both thought the snake was on death's door? But he used to breed ball pythons?

The first movie is still up, but the second movie, isn't. Where did it go, Thomas?

 

[laterob]

Thanks, Sam and John. This may be a bit different, in that PayPal is deciding whether they think my case is worthy of challening the chargeback. I am not dealing with the CC company. At the same time, there has already been a PayPal dispute that was decided in my favor. I filled out another report. Who knows .

Either way, like I said, I'd STILL take her back if she is healthy and Thomas is unhappy with her OR if he could show that she left here sick/ got sick. You'd think he'd want to make a case for either one of those 2, instead of insisting that she has a defect that suddenly manifested itself.

I have never, nor will I ever, sent out a sick snake. Truth be told, if her wobble was ANYTHING like in his first video, I probably woud have culled her then cried for a day or so. Or maybe I would have wussed-out and kept her. But I never, ever would have sent her out and I am SICK and TIRED of the innuendo, suggestions, thinly-masked accusations, etc. to the contrary.