Info Thomas Dorn - aeterrabyte

[DISCERN]

Thomas,

You don't care about the snake.

You don't care about the welfare of innocent animals.

You are just trolling.

Just please give away all of your snakes, to good homes, and call it a day.

 

[Shaun33]

I am catching up and since when is opinion and public record against the law. You do know opinions are not defamation. Wow. I guess their legal is get what you pay for.

The thread will be removed and the website will be shut down if found in violation with the law.

What this forum is, is nothing more then a public defamation board where people can antagonize others. Your first post is wrong and heavily opinionated, and against the law. You can't post someones address and contact information for ridicule (which clearly has happened) in a public manner, unless they are a public figure.

You can have a rating system, but not a defamation forum, where anyone on the internet can write anything and post personal information.

 

[GMTIRRILL]

I have never, nor will I ever, sent out a sick snake. Truth be told, if her wobble was ANYTHING like in his first video, I probably would have culled her then cried for a day or so. Or maybe I would have wussed-out and kept her. But I never, ever would have sent her out and I am SICK and TIRED of the innuendo, suggestions, thinly-masked accusations, etc. to the contrary. [/QUOTE]

Rob, reading the above statement shows me you are a true and dedicated keeper and i would buy from you in a heart beat.

Mr. Dorn, Please do the reptile community a favor and get the H#ll out of the hobby. You are pretty much an idiot when comes to husbandry and the welfare of these animals. The very simple fact of the matter is YOU caused this to happen, and now Yellow is the unfortunate victim of your careless husbandry practices and care of snakes.

 

[WebSlave]

Thats helpful. Lets see how she is tomorrow and what the vet says. Im trying to think what shock she went though? If that was the case wouldn't some of the other balls on the same rack have similar problems? I have some vanillas in an older rack with an on off thermostat. The probe fell out and it got really got. Like to 120. They are absolutely fine right now. Thats why I'm saying a small disrupting in husbandry is not going to cause a severe issue. It's got to be a developmental problem.

I haven't really been following this thread much, and certainly not so closely that it's not possible that I overlooked some important points. But the above quote intrigues me. Anyone want to venture a guess on what one of the classic symptoms of snakes being overheated, but not to the point of death, might be? And perhaps speculate on the possibility that the snake in question in this thread might have actually been ON that older rack mentioned in the quote?

Excuse me, but isn't observable neurological damage one of the classic signs of a heat stressed reptile?

From what I have been able to gather from this thread, the snake was fine when recieved, but at some later point became "not so fine".

On December 3, I sent Thomas Dorn one of my snakes which arrived on 12/4. I PM'd him, here, on the 4th to see if she had made it okay. On the 10th, he said that she was fine and he fed her. I heard from him again on Sunday, 12/23 when he told me that she is not doing well. Now, suddenly, she has IBD.

Unfortunately I did not see any indication of a date as to WHEN that above mentioned probe caused that "old rack" to expose some animals to heat stress, nor is there any indication of how long that condition existed before being corrected. A wild guess on my part would be that the heat incident likely happened on, or slightly before, 12/23.

Speculation? Sure. But only based on the available evidence I can see listed in the posts I have read in this thread.

Sorry if this has been brought up before.

 

[mikew1234]

Been there. Still IBD or the elusive genetics of a double spider gene. Also the temp from the box (110) to room temp for two days back to 88 in a rack which was said to have had a thermostat issue (in the vid it also has two pieces of heat tape.. some gradient, huh?) None of that in Thomas' mind could attribute to the snake's sudden decline in health.

 

[laterob]

Speculation? Sure. But only based on the available evidence I can see listed in the posts I have read in this thread.

You're not missing much evidence, Rich. Thomas did mention, though, that the box with Yellow in it temped at 110 when he opened it (I plan on conducting some experiments this weekend so if some of you get what look like 'used' boxes, you'll know why). Oddly, he didn't mention that when he emailed me on the 10th, 23rd, or even until well after this thread was going.

I am still confused about which rack is quarantine/had the Herpstat/heated to 120/had to be build/finished after Yellow arrived.

Hypothetically speaking, a person may be able to have a heating malfunction with a younger snake in the rack, panick and try to give her water (why else, Thomas?) videotape her, toss around references to IBD, try to discredit the snake and her breeder in an effort to get his money back. I suppose.

In my opinion, he could be more forthcoming about a lot of things, should he choose to be. Then we wouldn't be left to speculate and form opinions.

 

[WebSlave]

Just out of curiosity, how many animals was this Thomas Dorn supposedly maintaining in December? Has he stated that anywhere?

And also, is his current Texas location a fairly recent development?

Registrant:
Snakegenius
120 Eleanor rd
120 Eleanor rd
Manchester, NJ 08759
US

Domain Name: SNAKEGENIUS.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Snakegenius [email protected]
120 Eleanor rd
120 Eleanor rd
Manchester, NJ 08759
US
7326787930


Record expires on 07-Dec-2016.
Record created on 07-Dec-2011.
Database last updated on 17-Jan-2013 02:43:48 EST.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS89.WORLDNIC.COM 205.178.190.45
NS90.WORLDNIC.COM 206.188.198.45

Any history from this guy from when he apparently lived in New Jersey? Didn't someone state that he has been doing this for two years? It appears that all of that two years of experience was not taking place while he was in Texas.

 

[Fangthane]

And also, is his current Texas location a fairly recent development?

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Snakegenius [email protected]
120 Eleanor rd
120 Eleanor rd
Manchester, NJ 08759
US
7326787930

How easy is it to update the Whois data? Is that something he could do himself? I'd swear that the location was listed as somewhere in Colorado when I looked yesterday. I'm thinking it was Vail, Co., but I'm not certain.

 

[Shadera]

Just out of curiosity, how many animals was this Thomas Dorn supposedly maintaining in December? Has he stated that anywhere?

And also, is his current Texas location a fairly recent development?



Any history from this guy from when he apparently lived in New Jersey? Didn't someone state that he has been doing this for two years? It appears that all of that two years of experience was not taking place while he was in Texas.

He's still using a Jersey number to sell animals on kingsnake.
(732) 503-9642.

Rob - I wouldn't let him bait you on the thread he created for you. He's just trying to deflect the attention away from himself. Keep him here, where his words are tied to his name for all his potential customers.

 

[Lucille]

Here he is as a senior at Stockton College in New Jersey in 2008:


Stockton Students Awarded Distinguished Student Fellowships
For Immediate Release
Friday, December 19, 2008
Contact: Tim Kelly, Stockton Public Relations, (609) 652-4950
Kim McCabe, Student Affairs Communications, (609) 652-4866
Galloway Township, NJ- The Richard Stockton College of New Jersey awarded six fellowships to Stockton College students as part of its Board of Trustees’ Distinguished Student Fellowships program. This is an annual program to which student scholars apply and, if selected, are awarded up to $1,000 to further their studies. This program is an important part of the College’s year-round emphasis on academic excellence and the fostering of effective partnerships between students, faculty and the community. Members of the selection committee consisted of faculty and staff members as well as students.
The fall 2008 winners were presented with their awards at the December 10, 2008 meeting of the Stockton College Board of Trustees. Recipients are:
• Sean Flanner, a senior from West Creek, NJ, majoring in business management; Brett Kaplan, Absecon, a junior majoring in computer science; and Allyn Scott, Barnegat, a senior majoring in mathematics, for their collaborative project “Cell Phones and Mobile Device Forensics.”
• Thomas Dorn, Manchester, NJ, a senior majoring in chemistry, for research on “Polymerization of Ionic Liquids and the Impact on Thermal Properties.”
• Christopher Moore, Ventnor, a junior literature major, for his project “Cultural Mythology of the Garden State.”
• Keyanna Turner, Browns Mills, NJ, a senior psychology major, for her research study on “The Effect of Family Communication on the Decisions of Adolescents to Engage in Sexual Behavior.”
Stockton College is an innovative, residential, public liberal arts and sciences college with more than 7,000 students and is recognized as one of the top-15 public best universities/master’s institutions in the north by U.S. News and World Report. Primarily an undergraduate institution, select graduate and post-baccalaureate programs are offered.

And his blurb at UT shows that he graduated in 2009:

http://chaos.utexas.edu/people/students/thomas-dorn

 

[AmandaJ]

New Jersey was for undergrad; TX is grad school.

Information from this site, previously linked on the thread.

 

[AmandaJ]

Sorry, that went and linked it -- here's the URL: http://chaos.utexas.edu/people/students/thomas-dorn

 

[laterob]

Hi, Thomas!

Please provide evidence of what you said in that other thread. I believe you said PayPal is asking me to refund shipping charges?

 

[Lucille]

Rob Paypal has advised me to return her to you.

This week is too cold so I will be sending her on tuesday when the weather warms up a bit. I have all the shipping supplies I need and you will receive a tracking number.

I am ready to wrap this up. You are really dragging it out. You could have done something to make this right instead of accusing me of bad husbandry.

Paypal is asking you to refund my shipping charges.

Thanks

Here is the post but of course there is no actual proof as in a link to Paypal email.

 

[laterob]

I did get an email from PayPal that requests I assist Thomas. It also states that return shipping is the responsibility of the buyer. I'll post it in an hour or so, if Thomas doesn't.

 

[KORBIN5895]

So my heart totally sank when i saw the other thread. All i could think was "No way. Rob is too solid." After reading the other thread (sorry but this one was too long) I realize Tom must be a real life version of Ralph Wiggum. I am quite relieved to see Rob is still a stand up guy!

I haven't sold 1 snake so I don't have a reputation. I don't really have anything to loose. When I get some animals to sell that's a different story. By the time that happens nobody will remember this.

Personally I never forget the fools on here.

I, and many others, make sure to even check the people we sell to before engaging in a transaction. I have had to turn away two buyers this year because of this same type of behavior. Thank god Rob outted this guy because he saved others and I tons of potential grief.

Right now, you have no clue as to the gravity of this situation, Thomas. You have ruined any future here or in this hobby and any chance at redemption is quickly disintegrating. Grow up and at least try to be humble

I also check to see who is interested in any of my stuff as i don't need this kind of headache. It is my right as the seller to decide who I send my animals off with so I always check to see who is contacting me.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lmns1bzdcxiq6ti/letter.pdf


Letter from vet.

Where is the letter head that would make this forgery almost believable?

Your ship is sunk Ralph... I mean Thomas.

 

[Lucille]

I did get an email from PayPal that requests I assist Thomas. It also states that return shipping is the responsibility of the buyer. I'll post it in an hour or so, if Thomas doesn't.

It appears Thomas is attempting to defraud you out of the shipping charges.

 

[RichsBallPythons]

Paypal will NEVER take fund away and give it to the buyer until product is received by seller and inspected.

Dont give him a dime as what he said is not how paypal workd

 

[laterob]

I'm a little confused by/miffed at PayPal right now. Here's the email I got this morning. Thomas has also sent me a PayPal invoice for $66.00.

Thomas, I will not accept the snake while this case is pending. You may, or may not, be awarded shipping and/or the $66.00 for the 'checkup', but that's out of my hands.

[email protected] Hello Rob Hutchinson,

This is a courtesy email in behalf of your buyer who is requesting
assistance with regard to the return shipping cost. It will cost him $55.70
USD to return the animal and he had already spent $66.00 USD when he
consulted a vet.


-----------------------------------
Transaction Details
-----------------------------------


Buyer's Name: Thomas Dorn
Buyer's Email: [email protected]
Buyer's Transaction ID: 1C115902EL2236510

Transaction Date: Nov 17, 2012
Transaction Amount: -$650.00 USD
Case #: PP-002-151-135-146
Your Transaction ID: 1VL30808FR501620F

Please bear in mind that this is just as request and we are not forcing you
to shoulder the return shipping cost. It is the responsibility of the buyer
to pay the shipping fee for returning the item.

We appreciate your patience and cooperation in this matter.

Thank you

Sincerely,

Zel

PayPal

Please do not reply to this email. This mailbox is not monitored and you
will not receive a response. For assistance, log in to your PayPal account
and click the Help link in the top right corner of any PayPal page

 

[laterob]

Paypal is asking you to refund my shipping charges.

Please bear in mind that this is just as request and we are not forcing you
to shoulder the return shipping cost. It is the responsibility of the buyer
to pay the shipping fee for returning the item.

See, I don't think those two quotes mean the same thing. Do you, Thomas?