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Info Thomas Dorn - aeterrabyte

Thomas, I know I sound like a broken record. The snake ate a F/T mouse on her own on Saturday, Dec. 22. On Sunday, you thought she looked dehydrated, so you forced her to drink. Within a minute of that, you said she peed and pooped, which means she wasn't dehydrated.

We have shifted from IBD to not honoring a warrantee to stargazing.

One more time...what happened between Saturday and now?


My opinion is that you overheated/ almost drowned her. Once again, I look forward to the vet's report.
 
aeterrabyte said:
None made direct contact. Some of them are in the video. All doing fine so far. This is the only one I am having problems with.
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Doesn't need to be direct contact. Normal flora in one animal's previous environment may be detrimental to another animal who has no immunity against it. That's why any responsible breeder is going to routinely quarantine anything that comes into their facility. Your video shows that you don't practice quarantine of any sort. You claim you know a lot about ball pythons, but your actions speak way louder.

Do you not see how the scale is tipping towards you as being the reason the snake is acting the way it is? The only reason Rob is going to be on the hook here is because of his terms that he guarantees complete satisfaction. That's a wonderful thing for a seller to offer, but also something the unscrupulous will take advantage of.

I've done business with Rob several times, never had a problem with the guy. He's always been easy to work with, and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend him to anyone looking for animals.

For goodness' sake, set her up in a proper tub with water dish and hide on some heat and stop fussing with her to take videos. You're adding stress to what she's already going through, which isn't making her situation any better.
 
laterob said:
Thomas, I know I sound like a broken record. The snake ate a F/T mouse on her own on Saturday, Dec. 22. On Sunday, you thought she looked dehydrated, so you forced her to drink. Within a minute of that, you said she peed and pooped, which means she wasn't dehydrated.

We have shifted from IBD to not honoring a warrantee to stargazing.

One more time...what happened between Saturday and now?


My opinion is that you overheated/ almost drowned her. Once again, I look forward to the vet's report.
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I showed you my setup and its on 88 degrees and I also have the IR gun to verify that. I also told you this was before I attempted to give her water into her mouth. Ove course your going to have an opinion that is anti to mind you want to keep the money. I understand that. I am asking that you do the right thing. No one on this forum would be happy with this snake. It is said we are talking about a precious animal like this, but theres a business aspect we got to deal with I am sure u understand that.
 
aeterrabyte said:
I don't really have a side. All I have is a sick snake and I just want rob to make good on what he originally told me (he was going to take her back after christmas). I am taking the snake to the vet because I need confirmation that she is I'll if I need to get my money back by some other means. It don't matter sides or what people said, all that matters is what he said in his advertisement. Even if It was healthy I could still not be happy with her and return her.

I would actually have a similar policy when selling a snake. I want the customer to be happy. These snakes are not indestructible, I am aware of that. But in my 2 years of keeping snakes I have learned quite a few things. If this was my first snake maybe he would have a point. I would not even know if I messed up for not. But when you get a bunch at the same time housed in the same conditions and one all of a sudden gets very sick. It's that snake. The control was built in when I got a bunch at the same time housed in exactly the same conditions. What rob is doing is making a big deal out of this which just looks bad. You people think that I can't keep snakes or I don't know what you think. When rob goes to sell another snake people are going to see this. I got a bad one. It happens.
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HMM so you got a bunch of snakes in same time, did you quarantine them away from one another or toss them in the same room in the same Rack.
 
Shadera said:
Doesn't need to be direct contact. Normal flora in one animal's previous environment may be detrimental to another animal who has no immunity against it. That's why any responsible breeder is going to routinely quarantine anything that comes into their facility. Your video shows that you don't practice quarantine of any sort. You claim you know a lot about ball pythons, but your actions speak way louder.

Do you not see how the scale is tipping towards you as being the reason the snake is acting the way it is? The only reason Rob is going to be on the hook here is because of his terms that he guarantees complete satisfaction. That's a wonderful thing for a seller to offer, but also something the unscrupulous will take advantage of.

I've done business with Rob several times, never had a problem with the guy. He's always been easy to work with, and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend him to anyone looking for animals.

For goodness' sake, set her up in a proper tub with water dish and hide on some heat and stop fussing with her to take videos. You're adding stress to what she's already going through, which isn't making her situation any better.
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He was a pleasure to deal with up until this issue. I am not touching her for the rest of the night she is in a warm place. That room I showed you is my quarantine room. I cannot quarantine every snake in a different room I don't have enough rooms for that.
 
RichsBallPythons said:
HMM so you got a bunch of snakes in same time, did you quarantine them away from one another or toss them in the same room in the same Rack.
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Your the one saying it's not IBD so therefor there should not be a need for that right? I am doing it anyway.
 
aeterrabyte said:
I showed you my setup and its on 88 degrees and I also have the IR gun to verify that. I also told you this was before I attempted to give her water into her mouth. Ove course your going to have an opinion that is anti to mind you want to keep the money. I understand that. I am asking that you do the right thing. No one on this forum would be happy with this snake. It is said we are talking about a precious animal like this, but theres a business aspect we got to deal with I am sure u understand that.
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That is not true and just goes to further show how much of an ******* you are. This isnt just a business, this is most peoples passion. I have sent the seller a PM telling him that if he you do send the snake back then I will be GLAD to give it a PERMANENT home where it can receive the care and attention it deserves!

The only thing you manages to get right is you ruined a 500.00 snake.
 
laterob said:
Thomas, what happened between Saturday and Sunday? Was she in the rack with others or in your quarantine room?
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She is in my quarantine room. Are your pythons in the same room with your boas?

I changed her water on friday. Then on saturday I feed her a small mouse. Sunday I went to check on her and she was twisted up and looked very dehydrated. That was when I put a moist paper towel in her hide. I left her for a few hours. She did not improve. I then did the water thing that every one is getting so worked up about. Only a slight improvement today, still not acting normal.
 
Because boas can be a symptomatic carriers and pythons are the ones that show the illness. Did you handle your boas before you sent her to me?
 
You said you got a bunch of snakes and this is the only one that has issues, thus the question about housing. Since she's in a separate room, her husbandry is still a question, right?
 
aeterrabyte said:
I did soak her as well for sometime.
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aeterrabyte said:
Sunday I went to check on her and she was twisted up and looked very dehydrated. That was when I put a moist paper towel in her hide. I left her for a few hours. She did not improve. I then did the water thing that every one is getting so worked up about. Only a slight improvement today, still not acting normal.
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Which is it?
 
aeterrabyte said:
Your the one saying it's not IBD so therefor there should not be a need for that right? I am doing it anyway.
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This just adds to the belief that you really don't know anything, and that your lack of knowledge has been the main contributing factor to this snake's decline. Do you think IBD is the only snake disease that there is? IBD is the only reason that quarantine is an absolute must? Things you say are just coming across as extremely nonsensical.

You say that you only gave it a "few drops" of water, but you're then trying to say that that is what made it urinate less than a minute later? You truly believe that a few drops of liquid will trigger a urination, and that it takes less than a minute for that water to pass through the snake's digestive system? I cringe just reading half of what you're saying, I have to doubt that you're able to type it with a straight face. I really get the impression that you know next to nothing, and you're just making it up as you go.

If the vet. report shows a preexisting illness, I think you're owed a refund. If not- TOS be damned- I don't know that I could hold it against the guy if he told you go pound sand. You have no credibility, and frankly, I really don't believe much of anything you're saying. I can't trust that you'd admit to something having happened to the snake while in your care.

To those who are saying that the seller should issue a refund no matter what, let's take it to an admittedly ridiculous extreme. If the health guarantee is binding for 30 days, regardless of the buyer's actions, he could cut it up and deep fry it for snake-poppers, and still be owed a refund. As long as he did it within the 30 day period. Point being, I simply don't believe that a realistic interpretation of the circumstances should be completely removed from this equation.
 
laterob said:
Thomas, you know nothing like you are accusing me/my snakes of having manifests overnight, right?
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From what I have read It can come on very quick. It can manifest overnight. Like I said in one of my previous emails. Depending on what the vet says tomorrow maybe she should be destroyed and checked for IBD. It's possible.

Stop being ignorant and saying that I know nothing. That is just a blind statement. I understand that this sucks but I need you to be an adult about it.
 
ApexPredatorBoids said:
This just adds to the belief that you really don't know anything, and that your lack of knowledge has been the main contributing factor to this snake's decline. Do you think IBD is the only snake disease that there is? IBD is the only reason that quarantine is an absolute must? Things you say are just coming across as extremely nonsensical.

You say that you only gave it a "few drops" of water, but you're then trying to say that that is what made it urinate less than a minute later? You truly believe that a few drops of liquid will trigger a urination, and that it takes less than a minute for that water to pass through the snake's digestive system? I cringe just reading half of what you're saying, I have to doubt that you're able to type it with a straight face. I really get the impression that you know next to nothing, and you're just making it up as you go.

If the vet. report shows a preexisting illness, I think you're owed a refund. If not- TOS be damned- I don't know that I could hold it against the guy if he told you go pound sand. You have no credibility, and frankly, I really don't believe much of anything you're saying. I can't trust that you'd admit to something having happened to the snake while in your care.

To those who are saying that the seller should issue a refund no matter what, let's take it to an admittedly ridiculous extreme. If the health guarantee is binding for 30 days, regardless of the buyer's actions, he could cut it up and deep fry it for snake-poppers, and still be owed a refund. As long as he did it within the 30 day period. Point being, I simply don't believe that a realistic interpretation of the circumstances should be completely removed from this equation.
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Adult try and act like it. We all know nothing. Thats just the beginning of philosophy.
 
Like I was trying to ask rob. Are you pythons with your boas and have u had any mites? These are things the vet might want to know.
 
I really need you to work with me here. There is a lot at stake. I am not just going to believe what a much of morons say on some forum. We are talking about a lot of animals here. I need you to tell me the facts. Forget about the 650 for a second there is more on the line right now.
 
aeterrabyte said:
From what I have read It can come on very quick. It can manifest overnight. Like I said in one of my previous emails. Depending on what the vet says tomorrow maybe she should be destroyed and checked for IBD. It's possible.

Stop being ignorant and saying that I know nothing. That is just a blind statement. I understand that this sucks but I need you to be an adult about it.
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Your statement highlighted reminded me of this ad:

http://youtu.be/BI1V1CmFvMA


You are so quick to kill this snake, get rid of it, drown it. Whatever you can do just to get your money back. You are a complete idiot, you just said in a recent reply that she is doing a little better so why say she should be destroyed? Chill out and stop reading Google search results on IBD and other ignorant excuses to get your bill money back.

Rob did you get my PM?
 
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