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Info Thomas Dorn - aeterrabyte

You can speak to them. It's westgate bird hospital in austin. You can find there number and call them I am bringing her in at 4:20 tomorrow.
 
Preexisting. Stupid phone.

I think guarantee was nullified when buyer decided to tube-feed a snake that ate on its own the day before, all without informing me. I look forward to the vet report.

In the meantime, Thomas, could you throw up a picture of her neck?
 
aeterrabyte said:
I did soak her as well for sometime. It was no more stressful then opening her mouth. I just used a small piece of tubing to get some water into her mouth.
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I still do not understand why you would ever do that. It's not needed, especially for a snake that is feeding in it's own. Mist, soak, add damp moss, don't tube it water. Also, you just put water in her mouth? where in her mouth? did you watch what tube it went into? this can cause issues if it goes in the glottis.

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. She is also not accepting food anymore.
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but hadn't she just taken a meal the day before?

Plus you say you did soak, was this saturday or sunday? It's best to let a snake relax and digest at least 48 hrs after feeding.

And about the heat packs - if it was a standard 40 hr heat pack, they way they work in insulated boxes is raising the temps approx 10 degrees per heat pack warmer than ambient temps. (if I remember, this is mentioned in one of the SYR vids and it's what I've learned working in the packaging industry)

I am interested to hear what the vet says. Poor snake, I hope she is okay.
 
Thats just for the video. Im still afraid of IBD but if she is doing better then it couldn't be that. Yea it totally sucks. I was enjoying her a lot. If she eats and drinks and lives I don't mind keeping her. I am still not really happy with her
 
IBD is scary, but your not dealing with that at all! Something within your care came in contact whether its chemical or heat to the snake and caused this. It wasnt due to the shipping and snake being 100+F upon arrival. The snake would of showed signs of overheat the second you pulled him out!
 
I just use vinegar and soap to clean the bins. I am not saying that it's over heat from ship. I am just saying what I know which is that the snake is not doing well and it is within 30 days and I am not happy with it. He's got to take it back and just keep her as a pet. It happens.
 
aeterrabyte said:
You can speak to them. It's westgate bird hospital in austin. You can find there number and call them I am bringing her in at 4:20 tomorrow.
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Unless you leave written permission, the vet hospital will not speak to anyone about one of their clients.
 
Perfect example of why a lot of sellers don't offer much of a health guarantee beyond live arrival. There's no telling what someone is going to do with a snake once it leaves your hands and most people would have no problem hanging the seller out to dry.

Since when has it been acceptable practice to place water into a snake's mouth to hydrate them? Any keeper beyond rank newbie knows the tube they breathe through is in the mouth. Who's to say your intervention didn't cause the snake to aspirate water? It doesn't take much when you have one lung.

Sounds more like a case of buyer's mistake, although with your current terms you've left yourself wide open for this, Rob. Lesson learned the hard way. Hopefully the snake recovers.
 
aeterrabyte said:
I just use vinegar and soap to clean the bins. I am not saying that it's over heat from ship. I am just saying what I know which is that the snake is not doing well and it is within 30 days and I am not happy with it. He's got to take it back and just keep her as a pet. It happens.
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Ditch that cleaning method and order Either cholorohexidine or F10. Both are safe around reptiles and can be used to wipe the animals down.


As for the statement it happens, No it dont, this isnt common to see enough to say it happens. I can count on one hand how many times ive see a snake in this manner!
 
It sounds like buyers remorse and maybe he needs the money elsewhere?

I havent viewed the videos but I wonder what you originally paid for the snake?
 
Thomas, could you answer Rob's question? After the below quote, he actually asked a fourth time with no answer.

But it was fine on Saturday, right? Third time I've asked.
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Please post all information and documents you get from your vet appointment tomorrow.

Thanks,

Amanda Rose
 
RichsBallPythons said:
Ditch that cleaning method and order Either cholorohexidine or F10. Both are safe around reptiles and can be used to wipe the animals down.


As for the statement it happens, No it dont, this isnt common to see enough to say it happens. I can count on one hand how many times ive see a snake in this manner!
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Hot water or steam is the best. That stuff is just going to make the bacteria stronger in the end. That F10 is over priced it's basically only effective on staph. The most common type of bacteria found in reptile is psuedomonus. I just like hot water. I used to use a steamer but was too much of a hassle.
 
Tenor Goddess said:
Thomas, could you answer Rob's question? After the below quote, he actually asked a fourth time with no answer.



Please post all information and documents you get from your vet appointment tomorrow.

Thanks,

Amanda Rose
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I mean fine is relative. It did eat on saturday. I have not been observing her that much until on sunday when she looked almost dead. He knows the answer. Lets just see what happens tomorrow.
 
If it was ibd it would be dead. I have bred spider to spider morphs, and have had no ill effects. I kept quite a few back, and they do fine. Forcing water into a snake is an absolutely awful idea. I'm suprised no one thought of the idea of accidentally pushing water to the lungs. A snake closes quite a few airways off while drinking. Forcing water into it's mouth could have led to it going into these airways. As for feeding, I have seen many animals go off feed for short periods of time. Especially when they're handled or stressed extensively. I don't mean to sound offensive, but your actions could easily cause that. Also, from the 22nd is not going off feed.
As for Rob's tos.. Unfortunately, you kind of hurt yourself by being so broad. I've done favors for people with animals that didn't eat, or other special circumstances, but way too much can happen in a month.
Once you bring it to the vet, you will likely know much more, but I have a feeling they'll see how it moves being a spider, and suggest to euthanize it because they have no experience with the gene.
 
mikew1234 said:
If it was ibd it would be dead. I have bred spider to spider morphs, and have had no ill effects. I kept quite a few back, and they do fine. Forcing water into a snake is an absolutely awful idea. I'm suprised no one thought of the idea of accidentally pushing water to the lungs. A snake closes quite a few airways off while drinking. Forcing water into it's mouth could have led to it going into these airways. As for feeding, I have seen many animals go off feed for short periods of time. Especially when they're handled or stressed extensively. I don't mean to sound offensive, but your actions could easily cause that. Also, from the 22nd is not going off feed.
As for Rob's tos.. Unfortunately, you kind of hurt yourself by being so broad. I've done favors for people with animals that didn't eat, or other special circumstances, but way too much can happen in a month.
Once you bring it to the vet, you will likely know much more, but I have a feeling they'll see how it moves being a spider, and suggest to euthanize it because they have no experience with the gene.
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I did not run to force feed water and i did not really force feed it water. The first thing i did when I suspected it could be dehydrated was put some moist paper towels in it's hide and just leave it for a little bit. I made sure that water didn't go into it's windpipe. I used a very small piece of airline tubing to do that. After I gave it a few drops. It urinated and passed a urate as well. So I think it needed it.

I think the vet will say the same thing and also I will tell him what I did I will be honest with him he is a decent guy been to him a few times. It's not a smart idea, but the snake was already messed up when i decided to try it. What i'm thinking happened was the wobble got bad and it couldn't drink and it just got worse.
 
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