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I wanted to place this post here because I wanted to say what I have to say.
There have been several polls and threads about the possibilities of various kinds of charges on Fauna. These have met with everything from apathy, to interest, to very well reasoned and analyzed comments.

I am impressed by the thoughtful posts of many people I don't usually see posting; as well as the insights of many of the regulars. There have also been a vast number of posts supporting Webslave and praising Fauna, as well as opposition voiced.

I think it is important to voice your opinion, and I have written several posts on the responsibility of voting. If a choice is made and you have not bothered to make your voice heard before, it will not ring very loudly after.

VOTE.

I would like to say how much respect I have for the way Webslave is holding dialogues with people about the thoughts and opinions they have posted.
I think he deserves a LOT of support from all of us, for his hard work, and for listening to what we have to say.

His choices are difficult, so I thought I would put this thread up just to voice my respect. I sent him reputation points, too. I think he deserves a ZILLION of them...

There are many other threads devoted to the way Fauna should, or should not be run; to how fees for use should or should not be apportioned. Some of the posts get quite heated, and there are attitudes and ideas flying back and forth.

Perhaps out of the heat, new and better ideas will be forged. This thread is a way to take a brief break from all that, to say thank you to both Webslave and to each other (the people who have posted on the discussion/poll threads), and show support.
 
As I said in another thread, I think Webslave needs a break.

For those of you who kind of pay attention to people, I think we can all agree something is up with Webslave. He's cranky, tired, and he really seems fed up and finished with all of this... shtuff.

Sure we can all play in the epic battle that is "free vs $10"

But is anyone thinking about what all this... shtuff is doing to our guy? I think the poor guy needs a freaking break.

Lucille, I love you to death, but putting this thread in Hell is... going to be "hell" :( I just hope you're prepared for what the little potty mouths of this site will have to say.
 
Really what is $10 anyway? I can't even get a half a tank of gas for $10. Heck some of the reptile shows are charging $8 just to get in the door. This $10 fee would be for a whole year and not just 6 or 7 hours of browsing. Sometimes the BOI is better than watching Jerry Springer and is worth paying for.
 
Thank you, Karen.

Danni, I somehow have a reservoir of trust and respect for the members here. The level changes but the reservoir is never exhausted.
 
I was hoping something would show up here.....

Hello,

I don't post much as I am using this site to LEARN from, but I do have an opinion.....many in fact.

I would like it if people would post their pissing matches HERE when a controversial issue arises. Yes, it's ok to post an opposing opinion, but the put downs and arguements belong here.

IMO this is the Webslaves site and he can do as he pleases with it. If he charges a fee I will pay it because I want to use the site. I VOLUNTEERED money because I believe it's worth it. If no one will know what the impact of a fee would be until it is imposed. The fact that we were asked our opinion was a nicety, but not a necessity.

There will ALWAYS be people who use the internet to make their opinions heard. They don't care who disagrees with their having access to the sites, they want to speak, argue, generally make a nuisance of themselves. It's what they do. Will they pay for the privilege of doing so? I don't know. Will I read their posts? HELL YES! They are funny. Of course, because I am a quiet little speck reading these posts none of their poison is directed at me and I can enjoy it until I get tired of it and quit reading THAT thread. It is educational in the long run. Shows you who is going to abuse you and who'll defend you in the long run. It helps to define the character of those you might do business with in the future.

If the BOI were to cease to exist it would be more difficult to trust internet sales, I would probably only use big name breeders and anyone they personally suggest. Or go to more shows so I could see the animals before I purchased. Life goes on.

Shelly Pauley
"So Long And Thanks For All The Fish!"
 
Yeah. What she said. LOL... I agree though...ten bucks isn't much in the big scheme of things, and this site is certainly worth every penny !!! And anyway, Lucille, I am quite sure you can hold your own in Hell !!! :)
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Lucille,

I don't know you, but I have a great amount of respect for you and for the time and effort you put into this site. Thank you.

Shelly Pauley
 
Lucille,I have seen the poll and it doesn't look like the fee is winning.Does that mean there wont be an fee implemented? If thats not what it means, then why is my vote, or anyones vote important? I know you want all the members to vote. That would rock, and if everyone who votes votes for for the fee, and all 15000 plus members pay, that would be freakin awesome, and might keep Fauna floating, but where do we stand if the vote says no, and the fee is implemented?
Are the people who are donating now...you know, the hardest of the hard core supporters who are in favor of the fee, going to be charged again when the fee is implemented?
 
DaveyFig said:
Lucille,I have seen the poll and it doesn't look like the fee is winning.Does that mean there wont be an fee implemented? If thats not what it means, then why is my vote, or anyones vote important? I know you want all the members to vote. That would rock, and if everyone who votes votes for for the fee, and all 15000 plus members pay, that would be freakin awesome, and might keep Fauna floating, but where do we stand if the vote says no, and the fee is implemented?
Are the people who are donating now...you know, the hardest of the hard core supporters who are in favor of the fee, going to be charged again when the fee is implemented?
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Check the other thread where you asked Webslave that same question. He answered it shortly after you asked it.
 
OK, I wasn't addressing Webslave here, but thanks.
I don't see Rich encouraging anyone to get out and vote. He stated thet the fee is his only option, so he isn't out there pushin members to vote. I am just wondering what Lucille(the person I addressed) hopes to accomplish with the vote.
 
The site will die with a fee implimented. A situation Rich is well aware of, understands fully and accepts as being a consequence of the action because he no longer cares to accept the burden of Fauna ownership.

For Lucille though, she's an ignorant twit (gravid goldfish for those who like to know such things) who's so wrapped up in kissing Rich's ass (or more accurately, humping his leg like a labrador in heat) that she's absolutely blinded to the realities of the situation. Fauna has a lot of members... a LOT of members. Ever day a couple thousand visit the site. Of course only a few hundred visit the site every day- hopefully she's just borderline enough to understand the difference. As dense as she has proven herself time and time again to be it's not a difficult concept. Out of the few hundred who visit on a daily basis as individuals and the thousands of registered but less frequently active members barely over a hundred have voted in the polls. And you know damn well that 150 votes in one poll and 150 votes in another total 150 voters. Not 300 who each chose one poll... and then the poll results themselves aren't exactly heartening either.

So when Fauna has MAYBE 300-500 fully paid and registered members and those BOI threads aren't rolling in and the crooks are stepping on the ignorant all over the place and the registered members become less and less active as the community slowly dies from lack of participation and Rich's server and bandwidth costs are still the same and the amount of time he spends on the site is similar and he's still burnt out and frustrated and the site is a ghost town within four months and it just gets worse when the time comes to "renew those memberships" at the annual mark of their implimentation and there are fifty people who are utilizing the site...

Fauna will be dead. Period.

Do I think Fauna is worth money right now? Yeah probably. Do I think Fauna will be worth money when giving it becomes mandatory? To put it bluntly... Hell no!

If Rich is fed up and wants to sever his activity with the site because it's a financial and emotional drain on him- fine. His choice and from a perspective of someone who respects the man (note: respect does not mean wedging my tongue in his rectum the way Lucille seems to think) and truly appreciates what he has done... if it's too much he should just stop. But stop immediately and at once; the slow lingering death and dropped participation that will result from a fee based system would be less prefferable and have less integrity involved than simply ending it abruptly. If the financial part is really a signifigant aspect then sell the domain, sell the cuurent contents of the domain and recoup some portion of the hard expenses (time is tough to apply a value to) that the site has incurred.

Rich doesn't want to be the Caped Crusader for Truth, Justice and the American Way anymore... that's fine. Superheros need retirement plans but the site itself DOES stand for something, DOES embody something and IS meaningful in many ways both tangible and intangible. Making it pay to play is counter to all of those things. Maybe that's tough for someone who spends all her time dicking around making idiotic romance polls with a stick so far up her ass it's hitting the back of her teeth as she waits for the next thing to be offended about to throw a tantrum over (Incidentally Lucille, here is something you CAN be offended about. You are a mongrel idiot without any hint of common sense and generally a waste of skin.) but people who aren't imbeciles see it, understand it and are forced to acknowledge a rather unpleasant truth.
 
i do not have a problem with paying any monies but i think charging for BOI acess will cause this site to die.
why? this site has grown around the BOI cutting off your basic draw and charging for it will cause people to go elsewhere. i also suspect people mght pay to post a BAD experience but what about the good guys? i honestly doubt people will pay to post about the good guys.... shoot the bad guys post ALWAYS get more hits than do the good guys and generally more comments in the thread.
let's say you are the one being accused of being a bad guy but can not afford (forwhatever reason) the price... do you just sit and watch your name be tarnished?
or what if you have done a wonderful transaction and you are just starting up in the hobby with no name for yourself yet, do you honest think people are going to pay to say "hey so and so was great and has great animals blah blah blah"? no i doubt it... yes i think there should be paid sections BUT charging for the area that is the main site draw will kill the entire site.
Just now after what four or five years are just NOW getting the forums moving as well as the classifieds.. more larger scale breeders and dealers are posting ads here for a reason.. they see the site is growing... i do not think these people would have any problem paying for the classified ads, banner ads and what not if the trafic continues. i was about to buy a banner ad slot and a sponsor link but if my money is spent in vain and the fee's are implimented and people leave.. the money i have worked hard for was justifiablely spent wrong. yeah the money i spend will help NOW but what happens if the main draw is cut off (BOI) and the users stop coming? i have to look at this as a business decision and weigh my options...
 
I am just sick and tired of hearing about it for one. If you are going to do it by all means frigging do it... All this fluff about it is quite frankly a little much. It is one person's site after all and if he decides to impose a membership fee then quite frankly none of the bitching and moaning about it means a hill of beans. The site will suffer greatly from it but if it does so be it.
 
Well, I was going to move all of the threads about this issue into one separate forum for the duration, but Seamus killed that idea. If I were to do that he would get suspended and fined for his last message posted.

Seamus, from a concerned acquaintance (I can't call anyone I have never met in person as a "friend") - you do have a problem. You do know that I hope?
 
... If you were to take a post I made in Hell... a thread you specifically put aside for insults, bashing and otherwise less socially acceptable behavior... and move MY post from that unmoderated area to a moderated one, you would feel justified in giving me warning points?

Well damn Rich, that's just some bull**** right there.
 
a thread you specifically put aside for insults, bashing and otherwise less socially acceptable behavior...
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Should read... "forum specifically" and so on rather than "thread". The thread was created in hell, my post was made in hell and follows the rules OF hell... where I believe I was told upon entering that it was okay to explain that Lucille was mentally deficient without repercussions in the form of warning points or banning.
 
Seamus Haley said:
... If you were to take a post I made in Hell... a thread you specifically put aside for insults, bashing and otherwise less socially acceptable behavior... and move MY post from that unmoderated area to a moderated one, you would feel justified in giving me warning points?

Well damn Rich, that's just some bull**** right there.
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I think my message was in plain english. Your post made this thread inappropriate to be moved to anywhere else on this site. THAT is why I will not move it.
 
I think it is better left in hell where people can give their candid thought like Seamus expressed. Plus pasty boy has some funny views. Personally I am sick of the ass munching with this issue and the bell ringing attitudes of some people. Goddamn go work for the frigging United Way and raise money, but stop doing it here......
 
Would WebSLAVE have to drop the SLAVE and go with Webproffiteer or Webcapitolist or something then?
 
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