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Todd Smith (Deal Gone South)

If the wording told him IS feeding then the snake should have eaten soon after arrival.
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To absolutley guarantee that a snake will feed soon after arrival to a second location because it was feeding with the previous owner is risky. Several things can happen that might prevent the snake to eat right away. Shipping stress, new enclosure, management, temperature, etc. What the seller can say is that the snake in question was feeding at his place. Best way to verify it is when it defecates at the buyer's place.

Regards.
 
My apologies for the typos in the previous post... Just woke up and apparantly did so too early. Probably best to just ignore them and skip anything that doesn't make sense.
 
How long????

Ok,Ok, ok . . .

So, Brian agrees that Greg deserves a full refund for a reason that slightly differs from most of the rest. Fine. I got it.

Now, what about the actual event before us? How long before Todd officially gets labeled a "Bad Guy" since he is completely unwilling to dicuss the realities of this deal? He got aggravated because he doesn't think Greg handled this "just right." So what? He still owes the refund, and if he refuses to give it up, I think he should be recognized for the actual BAD GUY he really is!

:angry:
 
Seamus, "I LOVE YOU MAN!"

Well at least someone gets it.

Everyone listen up, I just got off the phone with Todd. I called him yesterday, he called me back today (I was out) and I returned his call tonight. It was interesting to say the least.

I'll give you the high points.

He's not posting because before dealing with Greg he'd never heard of the BOI. Hence, he didn't feel it that important as he's been very busy. Apparently he has some sort of governmental job, (sounded very hush-hush 007 type stuff).

I believe I convinced him that he needed to come on and state his case. He said he would try to tonight or tomorrow.

As far as genetics, Todd says he has fowarded the email with his verification several times. He also said he forwarded it again this morning. He believes there is a problem with Greg receiving the pic because Greg has AOL (something about a firewall). I am not computer savvy enough to even touch that one. He did offer to forward that email to me if I sent him an email, I don't really know what I'd do with it, but maybe I'll try that tomorrow just to see what happens. Further, he says there is no receipt from Jeremy Stone and there never was?!?!?! Greg do you have an email where he says otherwise. The only proof he is offering (and ever has, according to him) is that email containing the pics. Greg, what exactly were you promised as verification and do you have that promise in writting.

This the part I found most interesting. Todd says that he sold Greg A PAIR of snakes (the hypo het and the anery). The price for the pair was $1450. He says Greg came up with a $1000 value of the hypo het on his own! He says he not only offered to take the snake back and get it feeding, he also, when that wasn't good enough, said ok send it back and I'll refund you $750 which is more than half the price for the pair. Greg, do you have a copy of an add where the $1000 price is placed on the hypo het by Todd?

There was only one other point that I found quite hilarious. Todd was most upset to learn that Greg had discovered the cure for IBD and would now be a millionare off of the snake he sold him. He was however quite pleased to find out that the snake was now feeding for Greg, and on it's way to recovery.

Hopefully Todd will find the time to come and post, he says he has copies of all the emails. I really hope so, I need some closure man! I'm gonna go cuddle up w/ my blankie now, because you guys hurt my feelings.:D
 
Nice going Brian !!!!


I hope what you did does have some positive affect on this situation because I agree with you ( I know you are shocked ) that I need closure here too. I really hope that Todd does postbecause otherwise i will agree with Darin, because I don't care if Todd is 007 or 008 he needs to correct this situation or he should be known for being a bad guy. So he never heard of the BOI, who cares, bottom line is he refused to come on and took back his offer for a refund when he found out Greg posted about the transaction here. Even if there are aspects we have not heard on this, Todd still needs to speak up and present his side. We don't need to hear that Dr. Evil is taking up all his time and he will get around to us. I don't care how busy you are, you still have a bit of leisure time and there has been plenty of time for him to respond without blaming it on his government job ( the secret one ). I also don't understand how he can have genetic verification from Jeremy but have no reciept ? Can someone explain that one to me please ?
 
Brian,
Thank you so much for letting us know you talked to Todd about this on the phone. Now he can't deny that he was aware of this thread or site. I waited a day after you spoke to him to post to give him the benefit of the doubt to come give his side especially after claiming he told Greg there was no paperwork. If I was unaware of this site & someone called me & told me I was getting a bad guy post I would be there in a heartbeat. You mentioned that during conversation with Todd he said (quote)

"He was however quite pleased to find out that the snake was now feeding for Greg, and on it's way to recovery"

Isn't the word recovery used when something is sick or is having some sort of health problem? Also, Todd told you that Greg came up with the price of $1000.00 for the het. So we are to believe that Greg would actually pay the same price for a 2001 anery as he would a 2000 male hypo DH for ghost produced by Jeremy Stone? Thanks for letting us know that his "hush hush" employment is why he couldn't come here & give his side of the story & tell what happened to the proof of genetics as we were expecting some lame story like he couldn't really divulge the past on the hypo because it was recently put in the wildlife witness protection program because Henry "the Hypo" witnessed Johnny "The Bull" Bullsnake snuff Jimmy "the Rat" Ratsnake & that his past was swept away when he was relocated. I find it hard to beleive that Todd had time to call you but didn't have the time to post here. This needs closure. I hope Todd & Greg can get this resolved.
 
Chris, Those words were mine not his. He just made me laugh with the whole "cure for IBD" thing. I have to say that I'm surprised he hasn't come to post yet. He said he would look into it, but even on the phone it didn't sound very concerned.

How much are these snakes worth? I really have no idea. I've already given my opinion on the "hypo," I certainly don't think that snake was worth $1000. But honestly, I wouldn't really know retail on high end boas (not a market I'm into).
 
A nice looking hypo can be bought for close to $600. I'm not sure how much to pay for an undocumented hetero boa though. Todd might be right, asking $1,000 for that boa (no paperwork and not even recognized as his by the original breeder) might be a tad on the high side.
 
Hey Brian why would he be concerned ? He's got his money and he got rid of a sickly snake, he's doing great. And then add to the mix that everyone here is a joke so this board meaningless to him anyway. Why would he be concerned ? Oh and b4 I forget Chris you need to get your facts straight ..... It wasn't Jimmy " The Rat " Ratsnake that was killed it was Karl " The Crimson King " California Kingsnake that bit the big one, Jimmy " The Rat " Ratsnake just wound up in the hospital for awhile. Don't you watch the news man ?
 
Daniel,
Greg purchased the Hypo as a DH for ghost which runs more then what you quoted just as a baby let alone going on 3 years old & he didn't find about about "No Paperwork" untill AFTER he made the purchase & they arrived. Gary, sorry about my confusion with who wacked who. I tried to get ahold of Todd today to get him to post & figured he's probably doing 007 stuff so I figured the best way might be by way of GI Joe Walkie Talkie but scary thing happened when my transmission was interupted by John "The Goini" Gotti telling me to knock it off before I found dead fish on my doorstep, I then requested they be many & small as I have some garter snakes to feed & thanked him. Todd where are you?
 
Chris,

My comment was meant to be sarcastic. Of course a DH for ghost will run higher! My point was that after the fact (which Gregg obviously couldn't be aware off) I would doubt anyone will pay even $300 for that snake.

Regards
 
Still no reply from Todd ........ mmmmm I guess we can just cut to the chase and just label him a " Bad Guy " and be done with it. I really don't think he is going to waste his valuable precious spy time on us .......... Oh and Chris last thing I heard from John " The Goini " Gotti was " Leave the gun, Take the canoli " But I don't get it do you ?
 
Todd,
When your done with mission glow in the dark lizard in area 51 can you please take the time to make things right with Greg? Your at almost 6,000 views here on this thread & untill you make this right those are potential customers that see you as a bad guy & only you can fix that.
 
The Saga Begins........

Well Brian, I'm still awaiting Todd's startling revelations and insight here. Seems you were so excited in your earlier post you might want to take a moment to wash that stain off your blankie now. Lord knows you've had enough time since then. I've been patiently awaiting Todd to step up to the plate here but it's apparent he doesn't have a thing to say in his defense. Todd has, however, contacted me twice since Brian's post and these letters will soon be posted here.
I've been asked to provide proof that I requested authentic genetic information from Todd as part of the terms of sale so in the interest of brevity I will focus solely on this subject here. Because there is a lot of information that will require several different posts I request everyone refrain from posting until I indicate my entries are complete. This whole situation began with the following ad posted by Todd Smith on March 06, 2003. Please note in the ad there is a pic and description of a 2000 male hypo het anery in both the subject title and first line of the ad. Funny there is NO mention of this animal as having been produced by Jeremy Stone yet he does describe the female anery as "Boa Republic-produced". There are two animals for sale. Todd makes mention of the source of the anery that doesn't even have a pic provided yet does not disclose the source for the pictured more expensive hypo het anery mentioned in the ad title and opening line. Is this just an oversight or perhaps he didn't dare advertise the animal as having been produced by Jeremy Stone because he knew he had no genetic proof or paperwork to back up such a statement. You would think that if he was certain of this animal's background that he'd want to emphasize it was from Jeremy Stone yet there's no mention of this whatsoever. See for yourself:
 

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I viewed Todd's ad very late at night while I was working third shift. The following e-mail message to him is my first contact with his response is on top. In this preliminary contact I asked him very basic questions about feeding, guaranteed live arrival and general overall health. Also note his response to my questions was YES! If his answers were not satisfactory at this stage I would not have pursued these animals further. Here are those e-mails:

Subj: Re: Message about: HYPO/HET ANERY
Date: 3/7/2003 8:23:12 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent from the Internet (Details)




Greg,

Yes, they are feeding on frozen/thawed, tame, and in excellent health (neither one has ever been sick). The female anery has a very strong feeding response and so I use a hook to pick her up just to be on the safe side. I guarantee live arrival as long as they are delivered on time and depending upon the current weather conditions in your location.

Thanks for inquiring and let me know what you decide.

~Todd
707-576-3927


----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 3:26 AM
Subject: Message about: HYPO/HET ANERY


Todd, are both of these tame and feeding on f/t rats? Do you guarantee live arrival and general overall health? Please e-mail me or call 603 895-1279. Thank you.
Greg Riso

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This message was sent by an unregistered or non logged in user.

Sent 05:26 AM, Mar 07th, 2003 from I.P. Address 24.61.120.6
 
After Todd's response via e-mail we then talked by phone. By this time I was at home and we discussed whether or not Todd would consider splitting up the pair and if so what would be the price of each animal sold individually. It was at this point that he mentioned the hypo het anery was produced by Jeremy Stone so naturally I inquired if he could provide genetic verification and proof of origin for BOTH animals. He indicated he would do so. I aso requested a pic of the anery as up until this point I had no idea what it looked like.
In our discussion regarding pricing Todd quoted figures of $1,000 for the male hypo het anery alone and $500 for female anery. The difference in pricing seemed justified because the male was a dh ghost, 1.5 feet bigger, and produced by Jeremy Stone. Todd told me that he didn't have a problem splitting up the animals because he had a local buyer for the anery. He said if I wanted to purchase just the hypo het anery alone then $1,000 would do it. I told him I also had someone in mind for the anery so I wished to make an offer of $1,400 shipped for both based on his $1,500 shipped asking price which I thought was more than fair.
After our phone conversation he sent me a pic of the anery to aid in my decision. Here is a copy of his e-mail:

Subj: Re: Message about: HYPO/HET ANERY
Date: 3/7/2003 11:11:21 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
File: 01AneryF.jpg (37471 bytes) DL Time (TCP/IP): < 1 minute
Sent from the Internet (Details)




Hi Greg,

Here is the photo of the anery female. Please let me know if you can view it. I'll send it two different ways which one of them should work with aol.

Thanks,

~Todd
 
After receiving the pic of the anery I then responded to Todd via e-mail thanking him for the pic and "other info provided." The "other information" I was refering to was everything we'd discussed eairlier on the phone regarding genetics, sources of animals, proof of same, and finally pricing. Clearly there was no other information present in his e-mail besides the attached pic so what else could I have been refering to? By this point I had received satisfactory answers from Todd regarding the topics of feeding, live arrival, general health, genetics, proof of origin, and pricing so I made an offer on both animals. The following e-mail response proves that our phone conversation took place prior to this offer. If I had NOT recieved satisfactory answers to all of my questions I would NOT have made the following offer.

Subj: Re: Message about: HYPO/HET ANERY
Date: 3/7/2003 11:33:00 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: MATRIXNINJA70
To: [email protected]



Todd,

Thank you for the pic of the anery and other info provided. As discussed on the phone I am offering you $1,400 for the pair. I will paypal you immediately after getting your approval and my ship to address will be present there. Thank you very much and I hope we can work something out.

Greg Riso
 
Shortly after my offer via e-mail Todd called me by phone because he wanted full price. We agreed on meeting half way at $1,450 because paypal was going to eat up an additional 3% and shipping two subadult animals overnight would be expensive. I then agreed to paypal him and the rest is history. Here's that transaction.


Subj: Re: (no subject)
Date: 3/7/2003 7:38:24 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent from the Internet (Details)




Greg,

That was my fault and according to PayPal...I should have the payment in 3-4 days. I'll wait to hear from you regarding weather conditions, but I'll tentatively plan on shipping the week of the 17th.

Thank you again and let me know what your schedule looks like.

~Todd
----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 2:07 PM
Subject: (no subject)


Todd,

I paypaled you the money so you should be all set. I went to my account after the fact and saw your bill there. I was afraid to accept it for fear the account would be debited again so I declined on it. Any problem no getting payment please let me know.

Greg
 
Everything thus far transpired in the course of one day that being on 3/07/03. Todd was not to ship until a minimum of at least ten days later the week of the 17th. Todd and I both agreed on an actual ship date of 3/18 for 3/19 delivery. Because a significant amount of time had transpired from our conversation of 3/07 I sent Todd the following e-mail two days prior to the agreed upon ship date to act as a reminder to include the documentation we had talked about with the animals.

Subj: Het Paperwork
Date: 3/16/2003 11:30:15 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: MATRIXNINJA70
To: [email protected]



Todd,

Can you send some documentation on the het for anery hypo and on the other animal's origin as well? It will be needed for my records. You can include it with the shipment. Thanks again.

Greg
 
When the actual shipment arrived I was eager with anticipation to open the box, check to make sure the animals were alive, review the documentation I had requested, and respond to Todd to let him know the status of the shipment. Since I do a considerable amount of shipping of live animals I'm well aware of the worries that accompany the shipping process. For this reason it's always my policy to be considerate and notify the shipper of the package contents status ASAP. So as soon as the package arrived I opened it up along with one bag (which happened to be the female anery) while my wife opened up the other bag which contained the male hypo het anery.
Both animals were packed fine and all looked good but when my wife took the hypo out from his bag the animal began to repeatedly strike at her. I was preoccupied with the other animal so I told her to just take it immediately upstairs, place it in his cage, and I'd check on him later. From the time my wife and I received the animals, opened up the bags and responded via e-mail to Todd a minimal amount of time had transpired.
Also please note in the following letter I again requested for Todd to send the appropriate paperwork to me since it was not provided with the shipment. I did not request his personal verification as I knew this would not be recognized by anyone I might choose to sell these animals to in the future. At this point I was unaware that this is what he would indeed later provide. If I was aware that this was all he was going to provide then why would I ask him to send me hard copy documentation in the mail or scan what he had and attach to an e-mail?

Subj: Animals Received
Date: 3/19/2003 11:37:05 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: MATRIXNINJA70
To: [email protected]



Todd,

Both animals arrived fine about 15 minutes ago and look very nice. You mentioned the male's from Jermemy Stone and the female's from Boa Replublic, right? I will need some type of paperwork to verify the hypo as being DH ghost and proof of their source for my records. Could you either send me this thru the mail or scan and attach to an e-mail please? In case I decide to sell them at a future date I will need this documentation. Thank you very much.

Greg
 
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