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Tom Crutchfield: Greatest Reptile Dealer of All Time?

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KATHY, am I to understand what you are saying:

that illegal turtles were bred , produced offspring and then people were charged with having offspring or selling offspring? I dont understand your post.
 
I really don't think it mattered if they were CB or morphs. The blanding's turtle is an endangered species and possession, sale, and very apparently interstate travel is strictly prohibited no matter where it came from. And if he had any in his possession and bought or sold any he was wrong. I am sure he was well liked, and so was Tom Crutchfield, but he was breaking the law and even though I don't know the man I am pretty sure that he knew exactly what he was doing and what the penalties were if he were caught. Money is a wonderful and evil thing all rolled into one. The lure of easy gain has ensnared many people over the years and will do so again in the future I am sure.


David
 
DAVID, you are absolutely correct, I just find

it a bit disheartning, that Don got himself involved . Apparently their was more than sufficient evidence to find him guilty and as it turned out, he was willing to skip the trial , plead guilty and suffer the consequences. I cannot visualize this person behind bars. It sure is one hell of a learning lesson.
 
since some post are on some of

the " good old days " on this thread, how about the Telex's or cable address mail that had to be sent instead of phone> e-mail> morris code ? Then one had to have all communication interpreted by an interpretor to get each others language down. There were so many times that when i imported that the other end thought or took my message as a threat or degrade. Some times it would be just one freaking word taken wrong. Then how about booking space in advance for shipping. How many times did we have to book space on the German airlines or whatever airlines it was besides Pan-Am. REA ? I remember at the Kansas City Municipal ( before the supposedly KC International ) airport while picking up a shipment the forklift driver dropped and crushed a shipment of monkeys. Blood and guts all over the place. I wonder how many strains of viruses was in that primate shipment ? LOL !
 
Sorry, I am not much of a turtle person.

I am mostly irritated that apparently even albino black rats are illegal there - I guess they can't tell the difference from a normal. I heard from Don some time ago that the original wording in the bill did exempt morphs (I don't know about other cb), and Ohio herpers were given a chance to participate in writing it, but then it got passed quietly with different wording and no exemptions. The breeders were not astute enough politicians to catch the change, and nobody pointed it out, so it was missed. I don't imagine the turtles were albinos, and I don't know if the original wording did exempt normal cb. So my post may not have had to do so much with his particular case (I don't know enough about the details) as it does with annoyance of stupid laws. I can't ship albino or snow corns (or anything else native, no matter the color) to Georgia because of those laws. I don't ship it there, not because I respect a stupid law, but because I don't want to get caught breaking a stupid law. I constantly have to explain this to potential customers calling from Ga. But now there are so many laws (some reasonable, some stupid) in every city, county, and state, and they change so often, that we are probably breaking laws we don't even know about just by being in business. I know I can only ship albino corns into NJ, but I don't know if Wy has passed any animal laws recently (because I don't normally ship there). And if it is legal today, it may not be legal tomorrow.

So I guess I was just venting on stupid laws, which may or may not have to do with his particular case. Sorry.
 
Mike,

the only other airlines that was in competition with Pan Am during those hey days were Sabena. Luft. What people fail to realize was that Pan Am, went out of their way to encourage trade in the animal business. This heavy freight of mammels, would allow them to go into areas that under normal circumstances airlines did not venture into. Reptiles of course during the mid sixties were basically a non entity of any worth. But things have changed!
 
I doubt..

I do not believe the USF&W would get involved with a state level ordinance, as such would fall under state jurisdiction. I believe you can rule out any transactions regarding Pantherophis spp. as a Federal offense, as such would be a state level offense.
Whatever the exact nature Don was charged with, it was a Federal level offense, not merely a state or local ordinance violation. I’m guessing it had something to do with the interstate trade of a listed species without a USF&W interstate commerce permit. So far as snakes go, I do know that Don worked with D. couperi, which would have required such permits
This is very sad, as Don is a VERY knowledgeable guy, but then again, he was knowledgeable enough to know better.
I believe it is the shippers responsibility to be aware of any Federal level interstate commerce laws regarding the shipping of live animals, though it should be the buyers responsibility to know the laws and ordinances pertaining to their local city, county and state...

Jeff Snodgres
 
They would certain would.
If the state prohibits a certain animal from being sold, and that animal is sold across a state line, its federal. As well as state, so he could face two different charges for the same thing.
 
Keeping up with nostalgia ( Ray Singleton )

someone requested : what happened to Ray ? I heard indictment on endangered species but i don't know that for a fact.

Price list appears to be early 70ties ?
 

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Nope..

Nope, if it's only protected on the state level, the feds won't get involved..
One example would be D. erebennus, which is protected by the State of Texas, though offered no Federal protection.
The state will prosecute anyone attempting to ship, transport or keep one within the State of Texas, but no federal entities will become involved..

Best regards,

Jeff Snodgres
 
Of course..

The exception would be any violations of the Lacey Act, as such violations are Federal, and cover specimens not listed to CITES or USF&W appendices..

Best regards,

Jeff Snodgres
 
REGARDLESS, of the legalities,

DON , is out, and more than likely out for good. As with Tom, I am sure restrictions will be placed on Don . As to the length of time, I am sure that will depend! Its a sad situation.
 
Jeff

You CAN possess Texas Indigos in the state of Texas, with a permit. (issued by TPWD)

Randal Berry
 
Mike, this brings back memories!

Ahh, Ray Singleton!
I don't know if he was busted are not! (I hope not).

But, as a young pup growing up in Tampa, my dad bought 2 Garter snakes from him,(at my insistance mind you). Those were the very first snakes that I had growing up. I remember him coming over in a station wagon, and in the back, he had pillow cases (lots) full of other snakes! and wire cages with raccoons and wire cages with opposums!!!!!
And Gopher torts galore wandering freely around the back of the station wagon! A site to behold!
I was 9 years old at the time! My how time flys! Pretty soon, I'll catch up with Tresser! LOL! just kidding Jerry! :spinny: BTW, I'll be 53 Thursday, so send $! LOL!
 
RANDEL, looking forward to seeing you and the

rest of the motley crew. I dont know if you were aware that Gene from LA Reptiles passed away. He had a heart attack. I could not believe it.!
 
I am still shocked when I think of Art Meyer passing away at such a young age. God Bless Art and his family. Such a nice man.
 
Jerry, nah,

I won't be going to Daytona this year. I am going to Europe the week before and won't be able to afford it. :crap:
However, I plan on making my way back down sometime in June, and we'll hook up!
 
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: February 4, 2005

Contacts:

Special Agent Paul Beiriger: 317-346-7014

Scott Flaherty 612-713-5309

EA05-08

Ohio Reptile Dealer Pleads Guilty to
Illegal Commercialization of Protected Reptiles

Donald B. Hamper, a reptile dealer from Columbus, Ohio, pleaded guilty today in U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Ohio to a three-count Information charging him with the illegal purchase, sale and interstate transportation of Blanding’s turtles-- and other wildlife protected by federal and state laws. By pleading guilty to the Information, Hamper waived his right to indictment and trial and agreed to serve one year and one day confinement, to pay a $3,000 fine and $7,000 restitution to the State of Michigan Fish and Game Protection Fund, and pay a $300 special assessment to the court.

In his plea agreement, Hamper admitted that between June 2001 and June 28, 2003, he knowingly participated in illegal interstate purchases and sales involving 53 Blanding’s turtles and other wildlife including spotted turtles, wood turtles, and several species of snakes. Hamper’s commercial trade in the rare turtles, valued between $30,000 and $70,000, is prohibited by various wildlife laws in Ohio, Michigan and Indiana. The interstate trade in wildlife obtained in violation of state laws is a violation of the Lacey Act, the nation’s oldest federal wildlife protection law. Maximum penalties for felony violations of the Act include imprisonment of up to five years, and fines of up to $250,000 for each offense.

In addition, Hamper agreed to donate $2,500 to the Wildlife Education Fund operated by the Ohio Department of Natural Resources and publish a statement in Reptile Magazine acknowledging his criminal conduct and describing his penalties. He also agreed to be placed on supervised probation following his release from prison during which time he is prohibited from possessing or handling any reptiles or amphibians. All of the agreed to will be evaluated by U.S. District Court Judge Algenon L. Marbley in Columbus, Ohio, prior to sentencing. No sentencing date has been set.

Hamper’s guilty plea and penalties resulted from a negotiated, global agreement between the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of Ohio, the Department of Justice, and the Franklin County, Ohio, Prosecutor’s Office. Hamper also faced prosecution in Franklin County, on violations of Ohio Revised Code and Columbus city codes involving record keeping, tagging and harboring numerous venomous Gila monsters and beaded lizards. As part of a separate plea agreement with Franklin County Prosecutor’s Office, Hamper agreed to relinquish ownership of all wildlife seized from him during the course of the investigation including the venomous Gila monsters and beaded lizards.

Hamper’s plea agreement is the result of “Operation E & T,” a joint investigation into the illegal reptile trade conducted by special agents of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, and investigators of the Ohio Division of Wildlife, Michigan and Indiana Department of Natural Resources. Hamper, a co-organizer of the All Ohio Reptile Show held monthly in Columbus, bought and sold turtles and other reptiles during the All Ohio show and similar venues in Michigan and Indiana. He also sold reptiles over the Internet.

The Blanding's turtle is a medium sized freshwater turtle with an average shell length of approximately 7 to 10 inches. Blanding’s turtles are easily identified by their bright yellow chin and throat and numerous yellow speckles on its domed upper shell. The turtle is found primarily in the Great Lakes region and extends from southern Ontario west including Michigan, Wisconsin, northern Ohio, Indiana and Illinois, southern Minnesota, Iowa and Nebraska. It is protected from commercialization in most of its range.

The Blanding’s turtle is rare throughout its range and is State-listed as Endangered in Indiana and Missouri, and Threatened in Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota and Wisconsin. The Blanding’s turtle is a species of Special Concern in Michigan and Ohio. It is also highly prized by those in the reptile trade.

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is the principal federal agency responsible for conserving, protecting and enhancing fish, wildlife and plants and their habitats for the continuing benefit of the American people. The Service manages the 95-million-acre National Wildlife Refuge System, which encompasses 545 national wildlife refuges, thousands of small wetlands and other special management areas. It also operates 69 national fish hatcheries, 63 Fish and Wildlife Management offices and 81 ecological services field stations. The agency enforces federal wildlife laws, administers the Endangered Species Act, manages migratory bird populations, restores nationally significant fisheries, conserves and restores wildlife habitat such as wetlands, and helps foreign governments with their conservation efforts. It also oversees the Federal Assistance program, which distributes hundreds of millions of dollars in excise taxes on fishing and hunting equipment to state fish and wildlife agencies.

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Michael
http://turtletracker.com


The rapists, murderers, gang bangers, and drug dealers in that prison must be yucking it up at Don.
 
Hey Randal!!

I just spoke with Dr. Floyd Potter, of the Texas DNR, regarding the captive maintenance of D. m erebennus within the Great State of Texas.
The only folks who are going to obtain a permit to maintain captive D. m erebennus in Texas are those using such for bonafide research and education purposes, ie. zoological entities and Universities.
Unfortunately, it's much like acquiring a permit to maintain captive D. couperi within the State of Florida. Yeah, a permitting system exists, but only a certified letter from God will allow a private hobbyist to keep one, these days anyhow, as I know of only two folks within the past ten years who have acquired such..
It's great to see you posting and congrats again, on your not so recent nuptials!!

Take care,

Jeff Snodgres
 
Did Floyd have a son?

Floyd Potter of Texas Parks & Wildlife died about 12 years ago. Is there another one I'm unaware of?
 
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