Tony Hurts Genetic Guarentee??? (HETS)

[soberguy]

I'm fairly new to the BOI, and I freely admit I have no stake in the thread at hand.

I will only post on here one time. So many things get posted on here that are simply not true.

I just have a question about the above quote. I've been reading a lot of BOI threads lately, and I see one common denominator:

When someone is called out, and says they'll only post once, they usually end not only posting much more than once, but also end up being labeled/proven a "Bad Guy".

Is that a fair assessment of the majority of the "Bad Guy" threads?

Reading that, to me, is just one gigantic neon sign with alarm bells. Correct me if I'm wrong though...

 

[Dennis Hultman]

I'm fairly new to the BOI, and I freely admit I have no stake in the thread at hand.

I just have a question about the above quote. I've been reading a lot of BOI threads lately, and I see one common denominator:

When someone is called out, and says they'll only post once, they usually end not only posting much more than once, but also end up being labeled/proven a "Bad Guy".

Is that a fair assessment of the majority of the "Bad Guy" threads?

Reading that, to me, is just one gigantic neon sign with alarm bells. Correct me if I'm wrong though...

Brian, Tony has a lot of good guy threads here. I have done business with Tony and didn’t have any problems in my transaction.
I have posted several positive posts in regards to his business. Many people like him and he has a pretty solid reputation.

With that being said, the thread starter has stated that Tony offered something different if the animal didn’t prove.
I would hope Tony would address that part of the first post. It always comes down to how you handle the bad transactions here not how many good ones you have had.

When I purchased this animal I just got done proving a Rick Miller het albino out that did not prove out, So I told Tony that I was only looking for Hets that were produced by him I was not buying any third party hets anymore. I was not going down that road again. He reassured me that he produced the animal and gave me a guarantee of if it did not prove out he would refund my purchase price I would get to keep the female (now a proven breeder) and I would get a albino of my choice.

 

[soberguy]

Brian, Tony has a lot of good guy threads here. I have done business with Tony and didn’t have any problems in my transaction.
I have posted several positive posts in regards to his business. Many people like him and he has a pretty solid reputation.

Understood. Was simply making an observation from my reading about the behavior / type of posting.

With that being said, the thread starter has stated that Tony offered something different if the animal didn’t prove.
I would hope Tony would address that part of the first post. It always comes down to how you handle the bad transactions here not how many good ones you have had.

Agreed. With the number of deals done, there's bound to be a few that go bad. Customer service is huge, and one's ability to ensure customers are satisfied is, IMO, what decides who gets more business.

 

[reptirus]

He reassured me that he produced the animal and gave me a guarantee of if it did not prove out he would refund my purchase price I would get to keep the female (now a proven breeder) and I would get a albino of my choice.

Everyone does make mistakes, the odds of this actually being a het are INSANELY low, although there still is that 1 in 8911 of a chance that it is actually a het, but I believe the quote above is the solution to our problem. He said if it did not prove out he would give you your money back, allow you to keep the proven breeder, and give you an albino of your choice. Regardless if it is a het or not, after 2 years of not proving out, I think the original deal upon this problem should be upheld.

 

[wyblep]

Well first of all I would like to thank Tony for taking the time to come on here although I think I personally am owed a little more time then it takes to post one small post? So I really hope you will infact return to this thread and answer a few of the questions that have been asked. I still do not believe I have a het and I would like to know why did you give me the guarantee if you had no plan to stick to it if this problem would arise? Was it just to make the sale? Tony I do not feel that I am out of line at all, I am only asking for what you promised me if she did not prove out. Also is there any chance that you might have made a mistake? Maybe putting in a codom male in with the mother of my female and did not see anything happen so you decided to run an albino through her? These are all just examples I'm giving. I know you asked me if there was anyway I could have made a mistake and there is not a chance at all.I have all my hets for my albino project in two racks and The only thing that gets introduced to those racks are my albino males. I already emailed Tony pics of the female two years in a row and had him match her up with his records and I have saved all the emails from Tony stating that she is the same female he sold me. Well Tony I am going to ask again is the buyback for original price the only thing you are going to offer me? Paul

 

[wyblep]

Oh Another question I have for you Tony is why wont you answer your phone? I have called you morning noon and night every day for the past 16 days and you never once answered the phone? I have asked you to call me back and never once did I receive a call? Is this how you conduct your business? When you are selling something you sure answer the phone or return calls. I do not want to wait until next year to resolve this because to tell you the truth I do not know if you are still going to be in the business. I feel that this is a large problem with this hobby/ business, People sell animals and by the time they prove them out that person is long gone or they live in another state so to go after then legally it is just not worth the investment of trying to get a judgment against them. Well I think its about time that these people are held accountable for there actions. Tony I am not going to let this slide. You think about what is fair for both parties involved and post it here and we will see if we can get this resolved. Paul

 

[nora]

Well, for Tony to have sent you a supposively 100% het albino female, and you not to produce any albino offspring can most likely be deemed as false representation of goods received. In other words, this is an fradulent transaction.

Now whether Tony wants to own up to it is his choice, but if I were him, I would make every possible effort to make this right. He should at least offer a refund less initial shipping cost, along with an albino female, and you returning the non-het female back.
For the amount of money you have lost in 2 years, it only seems justifyable to me, in my opinion.

 

[wyblep]

I feel that is owed at the very least. I also found this intresting. I ran across one of Tony's old ads that was posted around the time I hatched the first clutch out and he was pre selling albino's for $1800.00 a piece. I hatched six eggs that first year and statistically three of them should have been albino's which ultimately cost me $4800.00 in production. Tony do you not feel that what you have cost me in production does not warrent any compansation? Here is his ad. Paul

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03-15-2006, 09:53 PM #1
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[wyblep]

I'm sorry my math is a little off it should read this cost me $5400.00 in production the first year. Paul

 

[Dennis Hultman]

Paul, I think you should post all the emails that you in regards to this transaction. Specifically, when you stated that you reminded him of the original deal and his responses.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

Paul, I think you should post all the emails that you have in regards to this transaction. Specifically, when you stated that you reminded him of the original deal and his responses.

 

[wyblep]

He has never said anything about the original guarantee. He just states that I have really bad odds and he feels what he came up with is a good gesture on his part to make up for my bad odds? I was going through the emails and he doesn't just reply to the last one he jumps around alot meaning he responds to the one on the 16'th when there were two in between then so it makes everything look choppy? I would have to post each one individually if you know what I mean? Paul

 

[nora]

I'd post them anyway Paul. I would like to see what exactly transpired between the 2 of you, although your initial post is plenty detailed. =)

 

[wyblep]

What do I do just copy and past them? and also I would have to post every email I sent him because alot of my emails are not on his responses? It would be alot of mumble jumble. You would have to go through them all and look at the dates to put them in order. We are talking about 21 emails that I have sent him and 12 that he has sent me from May 6'th when I first contacted him asking him to give me a call about this. But like I said they will all be out of order. And some you will see do not make sense like the first couple of emails I sent him he says he will call me and does not. And then he sends me an email saying whats wrong with the het female? Like He hasn't responded to my first six emails? Needless to say I get a little upset. Well how would you like me to post these without making this whole thread look distorted? I do not have time to go through them and try and match them up in the order the happened? Just let me know and I will do it. Paul

 

[wyblep]

I meant paste them

 

[wyblep]

I will be away from my computer until Monday evening. Unless I find some internet access where I will be. Please feel free to post any questions you might have in regards to this matter and I will answer them as soon as I can. Tony if you are reading this I think it would be great if you could come back and respond to this thread. Thanks again Paul

 

[jasballs]

Hey Paul, This maybe a Dumb question. But what did you buy from Tony? A het Albino. But was it just a normal het? Or one of the het red bellies? And your male that you used, What line is he? Just trying to see if maybe in some Strange way these arent compatiable? Sounds Weird but thats why I said dumb question..

 

[wyblep]

I bought just a regular 100% Het albino female. And I bred my regular male albino who was produced from Nerd. Last year I bred another male albino which was produced from VPI. He never said anything other then regular albino Het. Paul

 

[jasballs]

Ok, Thanks for that info Paul.. Good luck with the out come of this Mess!!

 

[David Reid]

Here is my take

I hear alot of talk about "what could have been produced." In two years, 8 eggs and 7 eggs or whatever it was. Bottom line, you could have just gotten one Albino each year. With a lower priced animal, such as an Albino, I think Tony should send you an Albino female if he has one, and if your Het proves out next year, you send the Albino female back. If not, you keep both snakes. An Albino female is worth about as much as a 3 year old Het right now.

Dave