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Bad Guy Tony121204/Anthony Pappas is a scammer

Sorry you were repeatedly lied to, Ricky.

A 13-14" female is indeed capable of safely breeding, but there is pretty much no way there would be eight clutches from such a female (unless a single clutch was dribbled out across eight nests of one to two eggs per nest and that is not healthy). More like one to two clutches (I have had a handful of females over the past few years who have dropped one to two clutches of eight to thirteen eggs per clutch) at that size if any.

I hope you get that partial refund and you can get the female healthy again. Unless that male is a gentle breeder for a male sulcata, he may beat up on a smaller girl (and it would be better if his attentions were divided across a harem) in the course of his advances. You may want to find a new home for the male or at least separate him until there are multiple females present with greater heft for the sake of diluting mating stresses.

You were certainly scammed here. The money was taken and the product was heavily misrepresented (6-9" shy of the claimed measurement range and not even remotely capable of producing eight clutches in a season).

I also believe Kate Ellis / Kate Ellis Larkin may be as much involved as any of the other "parties" (which is probably just Charles Pappas using two accounts and names from the current look of things). Perhaps unwittingly. Perhaps in a more complicit fashion.

Good luck, Ricky.
 
You guys were correct

Tony has been promising send me half my money back on a certain day at a certain time then it was part the next day and part the next, never happened. Then he was going to send me a bigger pair of torts closer to the size stated in the ad on a certain day then the next day but still no torts. Its been a week now and I'm done with him.
Now I think the whole thing was a scam. I don't think there were torts at all. I think it was a scam but when I was pesistant and after I sent him the phone number to his own police department and he knew I was about to call them and this forum put so much pressure on him, he found a pair of torts to send me. It's been a series of lies that he couldn't keep straight. I don't know if there's a cousin or not but if there is I will assume they are two of a kind. I know for sure there was at least one woman involved because I talked to one on the phone that claimed to be his aunt but in a phone conversation with him, I heard a women in the background that was supposed to be the Kate/girlfriend. I don't know if they were victims also or part of the scam.
You guys were right and I was wrong. I gave him a second chance and a third chance and on and on and for that, I was a fool.
 
How did you make out with your bank?
How is the health of the female?
I'd guess that if you want a full refund, now that you have received tortoises, you'd have to return them.
 
but my claim is still filed with the cc company so wait is all I can do.

Hope this works out, it is going to be harder now since the scammer did ship something. If you want help on this PM, don't want the scammer knowing how you can fight this.

They did it once, they will do it again. ... the thieves/liars deserve complete exposure.
Agreed.

You were certainly scammed here
Agreed.

I gave him a second chance and a third chance and on and on and for that, I was a fool.

You were a victim. Foolish perhaps in certain areas, but a real fool does it all again, I don't think you will. Thanks for the update!
 
The health of the female has not improved. I'm starting her on antibiotics today. She is still picking at food.
Yes it will be harder to get a refund now and I will have to return the torts to get the refund. After talking to Tony it obvious that he has no idea how to take care of the animals so the thought of sending them back to him makes me rethink the situation.
 
He recently scammed me as well, not sure if I should continue on this thread about it or start a new one? I can post full deatails about it all. I just need advice from a admin on where to post about it?
 
Sam, sorry to hear about your situation..

Why don't you go ahead an simply post his/her contact information and lets see if this has a connection to this thread or if you should start another. Thanks
 
Name "Sherman" or Mike Cogar as he prefers. Supposedly his girlfreind/fiances name is Kate Ellis. His phone number is 732-768-6525. His address is 946 Madison Ave. Reading, PA 19601.
 
Sam, I would stay on this thread and go ahead please share your experience with us.
When did this happen?
What did you lose?
How do you know his address?
How were payments done?
How was contact made between you both?
Other details, etc.?

Thanks in advance and we look forward to your response.
 
Ok so long story short I contacted him 10-2-14 about cages he had for sale on his ad titled "many snakes' I believe it was on his "dna reptiles' fauna account. He had some Ap and vision cages for sale. I asked him if he was interested in trading for some blood pythons he asked for pics and more info on them so I sent him pics and all the info on them. He said we would be willing to do a partial trade of the cages for them. He was selling all the cages I wanted for $1,700. We agreed that I would send him the bloods (1.1 2014 T+ Albino) and (1.1 2014 Het T+ Albino) worth $550 in trade. Then once he got them he said he would deliver the cages the following weekend and once he deliverd them I could send him $100 a week payments for the cages until I was able to pay them off. Well the weekend came and he came up with the excuse "his brother never showed up with the truck to deliver them'' I said that was fine as long as he could deliver them within a couple days. Well a couple days went by and he came up with the excuse ''that his dad passed away'' I told him sorry for the loss and that he could just deliver the cages the following week well the following week came and he came up with another excuse ''that he couldn't bring them becuase his brother and sister didn't help him unload the truck so he didn't have enough time to deliver the cages to me''. I then called him asking for a refund through PayPal for what my snakes are worth, he said he would send it the following day but that never happend. We have been constantly going back and forth and we agreed that he was gonna bring the cages yesterday. Well he came up with the excuse ''he slept in and didn't hav enough time to get here'' Once again he said he could send me a refund through PayPal today once he got home at 5:30 well it's 8:00 now and still no refund. He claims he is "stuck in traffic". I'm still waiting to hear back from him to get my refund... So I guess I will have to see.
 
I got his address becuase I told him I was just gonna drive up to his house instead of waiting and waiting for him to deliver them to me. I was going to drive up to his house Saturday 11-8-14 but as I was getting ready to leave he said he got called into work and wasn't going to be home. He lives roughly 4.5 hours away from me. I didn't want to make the drive unless I knew for sure he was home.
 
I first contacted him through email until he gave me his phone number, since then we have been going back and forth with texts, and I did get him to call me a couple times.
 
What address did you actually ship the Bloods to? The same address you were going to drive up to?

How have you been communicating with him? Text, phone, email?

How has Kate Ellis come into play with you?

Thanks!
 
Basically he has over $550 worth of blood pythons from me and I never got my cages, a refund, or the snakes back. He also comes up with a lame excuse.
 
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