Top Shelf Exotics (Inquiry)

[autotunz]

VERY well said, Dan.

 

[varnyard]

This was posted by Chris on 5/1/06

Chris, TSE: First I will say that I have not bothered to read recent additions to this thread. I am home hor a short time before addmittance and I thought I would add a few comments since some people apparently had a tough timeswallowing my recent statement.

Have you made it to the hospital yet Chris?

Chris, TSE: I'll be sure to chime in when I am able too in about a week or two, hopefully sooner. Correspondence is to be sent to [email protected] as it will be quite some time before I can check my personal mail and I will not have access to a PC for a while.

Dang, quite some time is two days?? Today is 5/3/06, you posted this on 5/1/06.

 

[tejasranger]

Now I get called stating this garbage is escalating? Christ! How many times must I state I am not nearly capable of dealing with your antics at the present time? One ear, out the other? My mistake was commenting here to begin. I will not make the mistake again.

File your claims with your credit card companies and PayPal as there are no means to issue such direct funds while our account is locked. We must make good with PayPal first and this obviously takes time. Funds which are tied up to cover claims cannot be dispersed, perhaps you people are clueless to how paypal works. Also, if there has been anyone denied a claim through paypal I ask that you issue the claim through your creditor instead, or first for that matter if filing a claim for the first time. This way it is direct and will not be restricted by any time restraints. Until we can clear pending claims we are unable to issue direct payments. Those who keep acting as if we can are obviously clueless to how this works when presented with such restrictions. We cannot issue money when money has already been taken to cover claims. And those requesting refunds outside of paypal who have already filed claims must be insane if they think they will be receiving two refunds. Claims are to be filed through PayPal if placed through PayPal, this also recovers any fees encountered.

I am not about to feed into this mess or be baited by those with nothing better to do. I worked very hard for many years to see this all crumble before my very eyes. And I am sure once all is settled these same people will be the very last to admit their faults or ill assumptions. To see these kind of accusations is disgusting to put it mildly. After what I have tried to accomplish and what I have accomplished in this community I am very disturbed to see such accusations. I'll leave you people to our own devices and I'll be sure to return in order to see whom will be mature enough to recant once these situations are corrected. till then..

I I I I I I I ME ME ME ME
This is why you are in the crapper now. you arrogant egomaniac. So just shut up and start with the refunds already.

 

[Bill_Leverton]

Chris, Like I had said earlier,Sorry you are ill. And your underlings are back dooring you. But something about this does not feel right.

• (1) Hets that may not be hets.

• (2) Shipping limitations on how many packages you can ship.

• (3)Shipping sick animals and your underlings saying well now you pissed us off "BLOCKED"

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  (4)People who sent money in good faith, now have to fight with Paypal or CC company to get their money back

• (5)The fact that a real contact # was found and the voice on the other end saying you are working, Are you working or are you sick ?????

• (6) You come and post but don't really answer the question directed at you,You seem to tap dance around but say nothing that puts anybodies mind at ease.To coin a phase you used a few times "People want the truth". Well step up and let them know whats up,

I know what I have to say means nothing to you. But atleast I'm trying to dig myself out of my hole, Mistakes are made but they can be fixed sometimes, Hope it all works out for you.

 

[tejasranger]

List "O" Blame

Chris,
I know how hard it must be for a ?man? in your condition, to keep coming up with new people, situations, and companies to blame all of your short commings on. So I thought I would try and help you out.

1. Osama bin ladin
2. Enron
3. The Full Moon
4. The Nixon administration
5. Castro
6. PMS
7. Radon Gas
8. Monica Lewinsky
9. La Cosa Nostra
10. Voodoo Curse
11. Having your head shoved too far up your own
12. Yourself, No that's just Crazy talk, what was I thinking.

Hope this helps in your time of need

P.S. I'd go with #11

 

[tejasranger]

Chris,
If I could design an engine that could run on pure BS, you all by yourself could end our dependence on foreign oil.

 

[nicolai]

Hey Robert, I know your mad and all about this situation but with webslaves crackdown on the site I would watch the inuendos and names, its not worth getting fined and suspended for. You can make your point without breaking the rules. But you are the one out 1,500.00 for a sick pair of snakes so 10.00 fine is probably just a drop in the bucket anyway.

If Chris does decide to refund you the money for the snakes are you going to ship first?

 

[tejasranger]

Refund arrangements?

If Chris does decide to refund you the money for the snakes are you going to ship first?

No, at this point there is absolutely no trust for Chris left in me. But I will agree to use an intermediary that I trust, such as Casey Hulse, Varnyard, Rich to name a few. They could hold the refund until I ship. I've done business with them in the past and will do so again in the future. They are honest and forthright men who I believe can be trusted by Chris as well.

 

[nicolai]

I think that is a very good idea!!!! Maybe that will be acceptable to Chris since he said he is taking responsibility for everything and is going to make things right, which i know is contrary to popular belief here but i am giving him the benefit of the doubt, but i am not out anything in the mess either so i may not have the same view on things as you and others awaiting resilution. Lots of other people had bad times and came back n the end, maybe he will too. We should start seeing results in the very near future if he does follow through.

 

[repfriend]

Whoever it said that he felt that it wasn't Chris' fault he was behind and he couldn't be expected to have all the money for refunds now...

WHAT??

For one, he couldn't have waited on animals , or he better not !!!

Most people bought 2005 !!!! animals in late 2005 and STILL didn't get them. They were promised those animals many times and it was always the weather, this, that and the other ....

And he doesn't have the money? He better does. He was PAID. It wasn't his money to spend without sending anything in return.

I don't buy it.

I don't buy any of it. All I see is lies and arrogance on his part. I thought he was going to be admitted. I thought he wasn't going to have time for the computer.

Don't tell me because of the BOI his hospital schedule for life saving proceedures changed. Don't buy it.

He has been caught in lies.

He is avoiding honest questions.

He is telling people to "get their refunds themselfs" by turning him in to the CC companies or paypal, knowing full well that paypal WON'T help them because its been over 45 days. And I guess he's leaving it to the CC companies to pay back those people...nice.

He has said people requesting refunds have been INSTRUCTED this and that, yet some people have come here and said they have been IGNORED all this time, and even now....well aside from the arrogant posts right here.

OH, and then we have the typical BOI and FAUNA bashing. Funny enough Chris enjoyed cutting down the "bad guys" with the best of them before, and now he cries how "typical" Fauna is in "hounding him down". Well, boohoo. If you owe people thousands of dollars and ignore them, and then post nothing but arrogant "you know what" I guess you can't expect any better.

 

[nicolai]

I am not saying for people not to continue thier legal persuits by any means, if they do get reimbusered they can always drop there cases at a later point.

 

[kmurphy]

Those wishing to contact my ex may do so if they desire. She has been instructed to report any such calls as harassment as I no longer reside there and she has no place in my affairs nor do I reside there.

This is fine but I think she has to ask someone to stop calling her before it can be called harrassment. And there is the fact that she is living in an apartment/condo that is the address of Top Shelf Exotics.

 

[Zoo Supply]

well, I guess the one thing that has me concerned from a business aspect right now is that This is the year that the hets should prove out, this is when everyone that purchased over the last two years will know if they proved out, hopefully this wasn't a huge scam over the past two years because this is definately not what our industry needs......lets hope it was chris being sick that produced this problem.
TOM

 

[Chris@TSE]

Chris, Like I had said earlier,Sorry you are ill. And your underlings are back dooring you. But something about this does not feel right.

• (1) Hets that may not be hets.

• (2)

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  This has never been a question until now and it is no surprise anyone with anything beneficial will refrain from stepping up in a thread such as this. I have nothing to contribute to stupidity or baseless assumption nor do I have the enery to battle with people we have not even done business with nor have any interest in amusing or pleasing. For those who wish to argue such things, they will continue to be ignored. I have more important matters to tend too such as my health and my business which is in shambles. I'd like to correct these things before playing in the sandbox.
  
  

  Shipping limitations on how many packages you can ship.

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Limitations were addressed long ago when I had stated additional trucks were being dispatched for pickups and the statement below will touch on this subject as well.

• (3)Shipping sick animals and your underlings saying well now you pissed us off "BLOCKED"

I was not aware of this and if it occured it was certainly not intentional. Rather obvious given our previos track record. As for the two people I am aware of that were blocked it was per my instruction. It was regarding rude and derogetory remarks if I recall and they were directed to contact me. There is no time to waste on arguments. There are more important things to do than argue with people who will not listen to logic or reason. Furthermore I would rather not repeat myself again. The answer to this question is in one of my previous posts. Again I take the time to post here as asked numerous times and it is ignored. If I continue to post when asked to do so and my statements are ignored I guess my posts will have to stop. I will contribute again when I deem a contribution fit and I certainly will not contribute to the efforts of those wishing to be disruptive. If further contributions to this thread are ignored or I am left repeating myself I will simply find no use for this thread as it will serve no good purpose, only foul motives.

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  (4)People who sent money in good faith, now have to fight with Paypal or CC company to get their money back

This is spoken about in the message below. Transactions made through paypal will be refunded through paypal, simple as that. Those funded through credit cards should issue their claims directly through the associated source first which will be more efficient.

• (5)The fact that a real contact # was found and the voice on the other end saying you are working, Are you working or are you sick ?????

Yes I am sure my ex whom I have not spoken with for quite some time, until recently when this was brought to my attention is quite aggrivated to say the least. And I am sure the ten year old who answered the phone greeted by a very rude and ignorant Robert England assumed I was working since normally that time of day it is what most people would be doing. As far as being a real contact number it could not be further from the truth. Those looking for a contact number will be able to use our primary number once the accounts are back in order, hopefully more sooner than later. For those who act as if its disconnection was hot news, sorry..... I stated this in a previous message and it was ignored. Surprise Surprise.

• (6) You come and post but don't really answer the question directed at you,You seem to tap dance around but say nothing that puts anybodies mind at ease.To coin a phase you used a few times "People want the truth". Well step up and let them know whats up,

I've attempted to do some of this below, and I have also stated that I was in no position or condition to be replying in the first place. I also stated I certainly was not going to buy into baiting attempts or stupidity in the form of unproven accusations or assumptions. I have a heart condition. I have serious procedures in my future and for obvious reason I am not supposed to be working myself up or adding to an already stressful situation. Obviously people value other things over this, I do not. If it comes between my health and an arguement with the vile children of fauna, which do you think I will pick? tough choice eh? I comment whenever possible and as soon as I feel the need, i simply walk away. Never before have I been able to do that. Most will remember how relentless I used to be on these forums and most will notice I refrained from these actions prior to my leave. why? this exact reason. I was becoming ill, and this nonsense was not helping. Only before it was unrelated to me or my business. This time its directed this way which makes it even more tough to juggle at this time. I do not care what anyone may think, assume, or ignore. I have stated what I must and that is exactly how it is and nothing they say will motivate me otherwise. I value other things more dearly at this point and I have no intentions of returning to my older ways.... I'm hoping to get better, not worse

I know what I have to say means nothing to you. But atleast I'm trying to dig myself out of my hole, Mistakes are made but they can be fixed sometimes, Hope it all works out for you.

This is also explained somewhat in the message below. You've come a long way since I've last seen you here, I hope things are going good for you and I do not consider what you say "nothing". I consider everything everyone has to say. I have an open mind.... But I have no patience for those who wish to be destructive or argumentative. Those people are simply tuned out.

Here is the statement I was set to post but decided to tag it to the bottom of your reply. Take care.


Everyone wants immediate refunds when they themselves filed claims and threw our accounts into delinquency. Before I can even begin to correct the mess that was left for me in my absence I must first correct our accounts, then paypal. As most who have dealt with paypal know this is certainly not an overnight process. All I can do at this point is have the guy’s ship whatever they can and those seeking refunds can file their claims as they have been instructed to do so. Whatever claims paypal refused for any time restraints will have to be manually refunded once all the issues with the attributed accounts are corrected, added as new, and then confirmed. Even this in itself takes time. We should be able to cover most if not all of the pending claims and if there is anything left unpaid I’ll simply have to sell the “shirt off my back” to make good. I never once stated my refusal to correct these issues at hand and I am disgusted by the contributions of some of the people on fauna stating otherwise or putting words into my mouth when they have absolutely no idea of what is involved and the mess that has been left for me to unravel. If I could snap my fingers and correct these issues overnight I would, no doubt about it. If people think I enjoy seeing a reputation I strived to build ruin over something like this they are dead wrong. I’m amazed after the time I have spent building relationships in this hobby and the few contributions I have made people are so quick to jump to such vile assumptions. It is quite disheartening but it shows me the true nature of the people I mistakenly grew to love. Most think it is simple as dropping a check in the mail, unfortunately this is not the case when the funds in question are in accounts which are either now under review or locked due to these complaints. Common sense tells you this sort of thing but when people are upset and seeking funds they rarely care to consider the situation on the other side of the lake so to speak. I completely understand and I am not about to make matters worse by arguing with folks who wish to bait me or make downright stupid accusations. As I have said before my health at the moment is my first and foremost priority. Whenever possible I am taking whatever steps are necessary to see that accounts are brought back into active status, refunds issued, and shipments delivered. In a few weeks I will hopefully return to a hands-on status to make sure anything uncorrected is brought to a final close and this is behind us. I have never declined to accept the situation or responsibility, in fact I stated full responsibility. Unfortunately I am quite limited in my actions at the moment and limitations and complications keep piling on. I know many are trying to help, but to be honest many who think they are helping are only making matters more difficult. By no means am I asking for leniency or anything of the sort. I can easily press that little “x” and I do not have to read any of it. Our of sum odd hundred or so pages I have probably viewed a dozen or so. The assumptions and accusations of a select few do not concern me. My reputation in this hobby until these issues spoke for itself and I will not buy into the baiting attempts I helped invent back in my more active days here. Even shipping at this point has became more of a chore than it already was. Accounts in constant review mean fedex is unable to pull funds which are required for delivery. This leads in a refusal to pickup. They’ve hand delivered parcels on quite a few days to local locations in order to keep things moving. One moment an account is well off enough to ship a day. MAYBEE two… and then it is locked again. Pending review. It is a snowball effect people are oblivious too. Once paypal decides to lift access limitations we are supposed to add new account information in order to fund the negative balance which resulted from the previously mentioned claims. This was also a snowball effect considering many utilities and whatnot were set to retrieve funds from these accounts and yet again, they are delinquent or nonexistent. Basically one mess was exaggerated into an even larger mess. People may continue to run their mouths and make matters worse if they see fit. Those who do not help us only hinder us and if they think causing such problems will speed anything up they are incorrect. I chose to comment simply because people deserve whatever explanations and “updates” I can offer despite whatever may keep me from business and it is quite apparent that people think I am able to issue overnight solutions or I am able to strike my mighty trident down and correct this mess with one foul swoop. I am not. I wish I could. Anyone with common sense should know this.

I know it is silly to ask those who have been so patient to continue being patient. I would not even consider it, but I will be correcting matters whenever opportunities present themselves whether it be in the forums of refunds between the repeated account reviews and delinquencies as of late or whatever it takes for that matter. All will be covered, even if it means relocating to a cardboard box. I’m doing what I can, when I can. I’ll be able to take a more active role in these matters soon hopefully. If you think I enjoy being caught between a rock and a hard place watching this occur I must ask that you share whatever it is you are smoking. Please.

I can be contacted at [email protected] as I’ve said before and I do apologize if my response is delayed in any way. I cannot review correspondence as quickly or often as I would like. It is certainly not intentional in any way shape or form. To be quite honest I cannot concern myself with this garbage as I already know what I must do and they may continue to make matters worse. And Jerry, good ‘ol Jerry. I find it amusing you offer your apologies previously and then revert right back to your chicken little routine. Thankfully this type of nonsense does not bother me as it would have in the past. You will be forgiven. And the fruit basket offer still stands.

Take care

 

[nicolai]

well, I guess the one thing that has me concerned from a business aspect right now is that This is the year that the hets should prove out, this is when everyone that purchased over the last two years will know if they proved out, hopefully this wasn't a huge scam over the past two years because this is definately not what our industry needs......lets hope it was chris being sick that produced this problem.
TOM

I think that i what we are all hoping for. Hopefully we will see a lot of visual morph (homogonous) offspring this year!!!! That atleast would be one less thing to worry about. If they do prove out a lot of people will owe him an apology (atleast he ones that received thier animals and in healthy condition).

 

[Casey Hulse]

This is the year that the hets should prove out, this is when everyone that purchased over the last two years will know if they proved out, hopefully this wasn't a huge scam over the past two years because this is definately not what our industry needs......lets hope it was chris being sick that produced this problem.

That is for sure!
Why on earth wouldn't he try to reassure his customers? All he had to do was answer a couple of questions. I can only think of 1 reason and I do not like it. He has hurt a lot of people if it was a scam, and he deserves no sympathy.

 

[Chris@TSE]

Whew. Sorry that it all was not formatted correctly. I see in hindsight I should have viewed a example before posting. darn boi......

I should be back around Saturday or sunday. if anyone actually has something legitimate to address I'll deal with it then. give me a heads up if needed via email as I have no intention of reading the entire contents of this thread.

 

[jglass38]

I must have missed it, but in that entire novel, there was no definitive answer given on the het/no het issue, whether or not TSE produces THEIR OWN bp morphs and hets or why sick snakes were sent out. Cmon Chris..PLEASE answer those questions for everyone.

 

[Casey Hulse]

If they do prove out a lot of people will owe him an apology

You are kidding right? I hope so, he has shown total contempt to everyone here who questioned him.

 

[Chris@TSE]

I must have missed it, but in that entire novel, there was no definitive answer given on the het/no het issue, whether or not TSE produces THEIR OWN bp morphs and hets or why sick snakes were sent out. Cmon Chris..PLEASE answer those questions for everyone.

You've received answers to this line of inquiry in the past Jeremy. You and I both know you are simply attempting to cause trouble as you have attempted to do in the past. You were told before we do not resell other breeders bp morphs as our own. If this was the case I would think numerous breeders would have stepped up by now to confirm your ASSumption. And to think I wasted the time honoring this garbage with an answer.

Perhaps you missed the following passage(s):

"I have nothing to contribute to stupidity or baseless assumption nor do I have the energy to battle with people we have not even done business with nor have any interest in amusing or pleasing. For those who wish to argue such things, they will continue to be ignored. I have more important matters to tend too such as my health and my business which is in shambles. I'd like to correct these things before playing in the sandbox. "

I nearly forgot about the ignore function of these forums..... I think this will be coming in quite handy! Look at that... just a few clicks and you have disappeared. -poof- Bye J!

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm quite tired. I have an appointment to make and a bed thats calling me. I'll be back around this weekend hopefully.