Ian S.
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Nope!! you happen to be wrong again!!nicolai said:
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Ian S.
New member
OK half wrong 
Cat_72
Back from exile :)
Ian S. said:
Cripes, this whole situation has me SICK. You don't think I'd like to call him every name in the book and make up some of my own?? Sure...but I don't need to stoop to that level. It's not going to accomplish anything, besides making YOU look bad.
weostan
New member
Did anyone go to the FBI web site?
Ian S.
New member
I disagree and you my friend have no idea how long I've bit my tongue. I don't need to get any where. I was refunded my money I'm lashing out for the moral wrong doings at hand here and give me legitimate reasons why I should sugar coat!!
Cat_72
Back from exile :)
Ian S.
New member
good for you girl!!Cat_72 said:
nicolai
Philosophical Statesman
Paragraphs of note from that site...I think these are the most pertinent here..
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Q: Do you have a definition of Internet crime that I can refer to?
Internet crime is defined as any illegal activity involving one or more components of the Internet, such as websites, chat rooms, and/or email. Internet crime involves the use of the Internet to communicate false or fraudulent representations to consumers. These crimes may include, but are not limited to, advance-fee schemes, non-delivery of goods or services, computer hacking, or employment/business opportunity schemes.
Q: Should I retain evidence that supports my complaint or send it to the Internet Crime Complaint Center?
The Internet Crime Complaint Center does not collect evidence regarding complaints. While you may include copies of electronic information in your complaint, you must be sure to keep all original documents in a secure location. In the event that a law enforcement or regulatory agency opens an investigation, they will request the information directly from you.
Q: What type of documents would be considered as evidence in regard to my complaint?
It is important that you keep any evidence you may have related to your complaint. Evidence may include, but is not limited to, the following:
Canceled checks
Certified or other mail receipts
Chatroom or newsgroup text
Credit card receipts
Envelopes (if you received items via FedEx, UPS, or U.S. Mail)
Facsimiles
Money order receipts
Pamphlets or brochures
Phone bills
Printed or preferably electronic copies of emails (if printed, include full email header information)
Printed or preferably electronic copies of web pages
Wire receipts
Keep items in a safe location in the event you are requested to provide them for investigative or prosecutive evidence.
Q: How do I cancel my complaint that I filed?
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Chameleon Company
New member
OK Nick, why don't you tell us about concern for the kids !
Nick, while we are concerned about the welfare of the youths that may be viewing here, who may read some anger in the words of a few others, aimed at your friend Chris, that shining beacon of integrity eh, lets go ahead and point out that Ian got zapped some points and paid a fine as you did, so that the children can see that we don't tolerate such. Give Nick a gold star!
You Nick are one of the few active members here, and I believe the only poster in this thread, that has allowed your "good guy" vote to stand for Chris and TSE ! How noble !! You have the option of deleting it and not casting a "bad guy" vote, but have chosen not to. So if it was up to you, then TSE could still use his GGC to help lure in those kids, so they could break their piggy banks and wait for the shipment that never comes! Sorry kids, but I guess you just can't trust some adults !
Nick, while we are concerned about the welfare of the youths that may be viewing here, who may read some anger in the words of a few others, aimed at your friend Chris, that shining beacon of integrity eh, lets go ahead and point out that Ian got zapped some points and paid a fine as you did, so that the children can see that we don't tolerate such. Give Nick a gold star!
You Nick are one of the few active members here, and I believe the only poster in this thread, that has allowed your "good guy" vote to stand for Chris and TSE ! How noble !! You have the option of deleting it and not casting a "bad guy" vote, but have chosen not to. So if it was up to you, then TSE could still use his GGC to help lure in those kids, so they could break their piggy banks and wait for the shipment that never comes! Sorry kids, but I guess you just can't trust some adults !
Ian S.
New member
I can only hope that other express the fortitude you have. 
Ian S. said:
Because I am telling you to. That's why. The use of vulgarity and derogatory name calling cheapens this site and substantially lowers the credibility of what this site is trying to accomplish here. So them's the rules. It is not an option for you to follow them if you wish to avoid the penalties. Fines and suspensions will be followed by a PERMANENT banning if it is not effective in ending that sort of talk here.
nicolai
Philosophical Statesman
Chameleon Company said:You Nick are one of the few active members here, and I believe the only poster in this thread, that has allowed your "good guy" vote to stand for Chris and TSE ! How noble !! You have the option of deleting it and not casting a "bad guy" vote, but have chosen not to. So if it was up to you, then TSE could still use his GGC to help lure in those kids, so they could break their piggy banks and wait for the shipment that never comes! Sorry kids, but I guess you just can't trust some adults !
I had three transactions with Chris (tse) for geckos and such and all three transactions went very well and i received healthy animals. I have yet to have any bad transactions with TSE or Chris personally. Should I now remove my vote from there even though he hasnt wronged me? Rich stated that all the voting is a "personal" thing for all members. Like I said before. I think he can still make right by everyone, and hope he does, in the end even if he doesnt he still never did me wrong.
I certainly wont be bullied into changing my vote by peer pressure on this thread. You voted how you wanted and that was "YOUR" choice to make and I don't fault you for it or want you to change your vote. If I had received sick animals or got taken for money i would have been the first person to change my vote to the "bad guy" side!!!
Ian S.
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Vulgarity are you jokeing want to show me where that is again pal.WebSlave said:
daniel1983
Member
I have not read this entire thread, but I have read enough to get the idea of what is going on. I have also never done business with TSE, but when I see a comment like this on another forum...
...that quote is from someone who purchased several animals from TSE and has never received them (if you would like the source send me a PM)....
Not only is this company ruining their reputation by these actions....they are turning someone off to keeping snakes. HOW WORSE CAN THAT GET!?
Hopefully those who have been wronged by this situation will get their justice. There is NO!!! excuse to conduct business this way.
...that quote is from someone who purchased several animals from TSE and has never received them (if you would like the source send me a PM)....
Not only is this company ruining their reputation by these actions....they are turning someone off to keeping snakes. HOW WORSE CAN THAT GET!?
Hopefully those who have been wronged by this situation will get their justice. There is NO!!! excuse to conduct business this way.
Chameleon Company
New member
Well Nick, I see the logic path that says that someone is "good" even if they have harmed others just so long as they have done right by you. OK. Don't mean to bully you either, but would point out that you have continually taken issue and criticized others in this thread, ranging from advising us to be cautious about criticizing Chris lest we one day also find ourselves ethically challenged, to the concern about the 8-16 year-olds. But when put back on you, its bullying. Somebody know what the going hourly rate is out there for carrying water?
KelliH
doesn't drink the koolaid
voice of reason?
Ok. Chris, this is addressed to you.
If you are seriously ill, I think I can speak for most of the people posting and reading this thread when I say that all of us want you to get better. Most of us here at Fauna have been through horrible, life changing experiences, and we can sympathize with others. We can be understanding and forgiving too. But, you know as well as I that this is wrong. How you got yourself in this predicament is really no longer a concern. The concern is, how are you going to get yourself out of it?
I can think of a few ways you can start. One, if you indeed produce your own ball pythons (ie hets), please post photos of your visual morphs that produced these hets and/or post names of the breeders you purchased your visual morphs from. Secondly, if you do not produce your own baby balls, but buy from other breeders and then resell, please post which breeders you are buying the hets from. I can understand that if this is the case, you may not want to do so, as you would have to admit being less than truthful about the origin of the snakes. But I can safely say that everyone here that has purchased het balls from you would breathe a sigh of relief (albeit a small one) just to know that you indeed bought the hets from other breeders and resold them, rather than thinking what some of them are at this point (that you bought ch from Africa and sold them as hets).
Chris, you have sone some good things. You were kind enough to help with some of the Hayden Fund auctions over on your forums and for that I am so, so grateful. I always will be. That situation has nothing to do with this current one, and one or two good deeds does not negate several bad ones I'm afraid. I really think if you just come clean and begin to answer some of the important and relevant questions that have been asked of you regarding the origin of the het balls you have been selling, it will be a good first step. Just that one thing would be a start. It's your choice.
Ok. Chris, this is addressed to you.
If you are seriously ill, I think I can speak for most of the people posting and reading this thread when I say that all of us want you to get better. Most of us here at Fauna have been through horrible, life changing experiences, and we can sympathize with others. We can be understanding and forgiving too. But, you know as well as I that this is wrong. How you got yourself in this predicament is really no longer a concern. The concern is, how are you going to get yourself out of it?
I can think of a few ways you can start. One, if you indeed produce your own ball pythons (ie hets), please post photos of your visual morphs that produced these hets and/or post names of the breeders you purchased your visual morphs from. Secondly, if you do not produce your own baby balls, but buy from other breeders and then resell, please post which breeders you are buying the hets from. I can understand that if this is the case, you may not want to do so, as you would have to admit being less than truthful about the origin of the snakes. But I can safely say that everyone here that has purchased het balls from you would breathe a sigh of relief (albeit a small one) just to know that you indeed bought the hets from other breeders and resold them, rather than thinking what some of them are at this point (that you bought ch from Africa and sold them as hets).
Chris, you have sone some good things. You were kind enough to help with some of the Hayden Fund auctions over on your forums and for that I am so, so grateful. I always will be. That situation has nothing to do with this current one, and one or two good deeds does not negate several bad ones I'm afraid. I really think if you just come clean and begin to answer some of the important and relevant questions that have been asked of you regarding the origin of the het balls you have been selling, it will be a good first step. Just that one thing would be a start. It's your choice.
Jeremy Letkey
Keeping to myself
nicolai said:
Nick, I think you have the wrong mind set here. If at this point and time you would recommend to anyone to do business with Chris or TSE, then I say let your vote stand. If on the other hand you would recommend that someone wait and see how this all plays out, then let your vote reflect that. Just because you didn't get screwed over does not make him a good guy at this time.
This is just my opinion and I know that you will not agree but that is your choice.
Just because you weren't robbed by Bonnie and Clyde doesn't mean that they were good people.
LadyOhh
Ohh, what a Lady!
Woah... This has gotten very vicious. You guys seem to be using this thread as a way to berate people instead of getting to the point of the matter!
BACK TO THE TOPIC AT HAND!
Chris at TSE has let people down...
Opinions are opinions, and let people have them... Democracy, people.
This is why the thread is here, to let people share their experiences.
Not to virtual fight or to backsass the moderators. Keep it clean, and keep it professional, for all of our sakes.
(Although it is interesting to read....but I digress)
BACK TO THE TOPIC AT HAND!
Chris at TSE has let people down...
Opinions are opinions, and let people have them... Democracy, people.
This is why the thread is here, to let people share their experiences.
Not to virtual fight or to backsass the moderators. Keep it clean, and keep it professional, for all of our sakes.
(Although it is interesting to read....but I digress)
Chameleon Company
New member
One more thing before I turn in
Nicolai says:
If that was the threshold for common sense here, then Chris would have about 65 "Good Guy" votes still, and 6-8 "Bad Guy" votes. Nick, its not about you having a right to an opinion, but you have taken just about everyone in this thread to task collectively or individually, for their expressed negative views and opinions about Chris and his actions. Especially so when they have chosen to speculate without the ballyhooed "proof" you were demanding earlier, as if someone has to be hit with a 2 X 4 before they can call a spade a spade if that's what their wisdom tells them. If its good for the goose, its good for the gander is all.
Nicolai says:
If that was the threshold for common sense here, then Chris would have about 65 "Good Guy" votes still, and 6-8 "Bad Guy" votes. Nick, its not about you having a right to an opinion, but you have taken just about everyone in this thread to task collectively or individually, for their expressed negative views and opinions about Chris and his actions. Especially so when they have chosen to speculate without the ballyhooed "proof" you were demanding earlier, as if someone has to be hit with a 2 X 4 before they can call a spade a spade if that's what their wisdom tells them. If its good for the goose, its good for the gander is all.
nicolai
Philosophical Statesman
That was a very good post jeremy and you have a valid point as well. If someone were to walk up to me and ask me my opinion of tse my response would be " I had three very good transactions with them and was happy, but due to recent events I would reccomend you do your research on them before making a purchase so that you will have all the facts ahead of time" At which time i would reccomend they came to fauna and read all the various threads on tse including this one so they can make an informed decision on thier own.