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Tim. OK, then what is an "emema"? Sorry, but you got me there !
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Top Shelf Exotics (Inquiry)
- Thread starter tejasranger
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nicolai
Philosophical Statesman
Enema (plural enemata or enemas)is the procedure of introducing liquids into the rectum and colon via the anus. Enemas can be carried out for medical reasons (as a treatment for constipation), as part of alternative therapies, and also for erotic purposes, particularly as part of BDSM activities. In earlier times, they were often known as clysters.
Chameleon Company
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TSE ... Top Shelf Enemas... if we had only known ! BTW Nick, we knew enema, not emema. LOL ...... Hey Chris, how's it looking .. the big house or the poor house .... after taking all this money from good folks and squandering it .... if you come on down for a reply, how about explaining where the money went ? Up your nose with a rubber hose (ask Cotter and Barbarino).
Do you all REALLY want me to close this thread because of the off topic direction it is taking?
nicolai
Philosophical Statesman
Sorry for the rambling and humor Rich. Question for you though. Seeing that Chris has all those IP's available to him is it possible to tie the IP's to his user name so his login (user name) will show when he is on this thread??
One other thought. If shep151 het eggs to prove out will the people that want refunds still going to have any kind of case to get it. As long as some of the hets he sold prove out it seems it would be difficult at best to prove that he lied about all the rest. To the best of my knowledge there is no precedence to go by. If it goes to court he can always show the judge the "punnet" square and say theres never a 100% guarantee in the genetics of hets. what are some of the recourses for people in this position?
One other thought. If shep151 het eggs to prove out will the people that want refunds still going to have any kind of case to get it. As long as some of the hets he sold prove out it seems it would be difficult at best to prove that he lied about all the rest. To the best of my knowledge there is no precedence to go by. If it goes to court he can always show the judge the "punnet" square and say theres never a 100% guarantee in the genetics of hets. what are some of the recourses for people in this position?
nextworld3
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Hey Nicholas,
Did you get my PM?
Did you get my PM?
SVT Snake
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Should I even bother asking them for a refund or should I go straight to pay-pal?
Jim,
A while ago you asked if Chris requested people to post any good deals anyone had with him; not in my case. Looking in retrospective it seems that I was lucky enough to order, buy, and receive a female black blood python from him. Furthermore, as I couldn’t go out to buy a money order on that date I took my chances and sent cash in an envelope, and gave him my account # with FedEx for him to charge shipping to me. Everything went just fine. I did receive correspondence from Glenn and from Chris. My initial inquiry was on 10/15, payment was sent, and the animal arrived on10/26.
A friend that’s been posting in this thread might remember me sending an odd e-mail describing the whole scenario (no names mentioned at that time).
Regards.
A while ago you asked if Chris requested people to post any good deals anyone had with him; not in my case. Looking in retrospective it seems that I was lucky enough to order, buy, and receive a female black blood python from him. Furthermore, as I couldn’t go out to buy a money order on that date I took my chances and sent cash in an envelope, and gave him my account # with FedEx for him to charge shipping to me. Everything went just fine. I did receive correspondence from Glenn and from Chris. My initial inquiry was on 10/15, payment was sent, and the animal arrived on10/26.
A friend that’s been posting in this thread might remember me sending an odd e-mail describing the whole scenario (no names mentioned at that time).
Regards.
shrap
Freelance Philosopher
nicolai said:
Well the people who have received "healthy" snakes already will just have to wait until they prove out or not to try and get a refund.
The rest, the ones with ill snakes and the ones who have been waiting for months already have a case for legally being owed a refund.
nicolai
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SVT Snake said:
if its been longer then 45 days then paypal is pretty much useless. You can join in with the rest of them ( others TSE owes) for a joint case or you can try your credit card company.
SVT Snake
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nicolai said:
Has anyone started putting a case together? Is there a link?
nicolai said:
Not without some programming efforts, which I can't see the reason to spend money on.
nicolai said:
Sorry, but I am not an attorney and can't help you with that question. But an attorney will probably tell you that it is impossible to predict how a judge or jury may rule on something like that. A criminal charge may be MUCH harder to make stick then a civil one, I presume.
But as I inferred in an earlier post, if this really is a case of Chris selling normals as hets, if he were smart, he would have really sold at least a few true hets to cover his butt. I don't believe anyone could disprove bad luck as a "without a shadow of a doubt" defense.
As far as the speculation of Chris and Glenn being the same person it seems to “not hold water” in my case. Why would I receive e-mails from boths if they were going to send the blood anyways? Can anyone tell me if those two e-mails were sent from the same computer?
HerpLuver
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Looks like the same IP addresses to me
Serpwidgets
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They both originated from the same IP address. This means that they were the same ISP account, and therefore on the same LAN (and presumably in the same house) but not necessarily the same computer.
Hm, I agree, looks like both email addresses originate from the same IP / Computer...
Maybe Chris has this multiple personality thing going on?
For one, all the emails that were posted that were supposedely written by Glenn/Pat or whatever their name is, have the SAME EXACT elaborate / arrogant style then Chris writings. Right down to the use of the words " I could care less ", like someone pointed out.
You usually say "I couldn't care less"
Maybe Chris has this multiple personality thing going on?
For one, all the emails that were posted that were supposedely written by Glenn/Pat or whatever their name is, have the SAME EXACT elaborate / arrogant style then Chris writings. Right down to the use of the words " I could care less ", like someone pointed out.
You usually say "I couldn't care less"
Serpwidgets said:
Yeah, maybe the salesdepartment and the employers are downstairs, while Chris is upstairs. LOL
Oh wait, the Ex Girlfriend is upstairs and Chris is downstairs. So maybe his other personalities and his salesdepartment are in the basement.
ravensgait
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The BoidSmith said:
Well it sure seems funny that unless it's a Het Ball Python it is not to cold to ship.... I had wondered about that IE if people who ordered other animals had received them. Seems to make the chances of the Hets being Hets less likely . He didn't ship the Hets because he had none to ship. Many have surmised that in this thread and this is just one shred closer to proof of that.
Hey Chris we know your reading this thread, I just wonder if you find all this funny or scary!! Randy
Chameleon Company
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Nick and others,
It is still job #1 to get organized and get real legal advice. Legal proceedings are much more likely to be of the civil concern right now, as folks just want their money back if it can be had. If grounds for a criminal complaint become evident, and the DA or others up that way eventually want to pursue it, then it may happen to. The people who have paid for and not received product yet have the best case. They need to actively spearhead this as they have the most to gain. Those who have animals on order have to decide whether to cancel, request a full refund and REFUSE DELIVERY ON ANYTHING SENT, especially if expecting a het, as once accepted you have put yourself in limbo. Those already with hets may have a claim in a civil proceeding as well, but it will hinge on affidavits from the first few who are able to prove or unprove their hets. If a few prove out, you are basically cooked if yours are duds, as it will greatly add to the time before your situation would have merit if yours and others start to not prove out. If the first few do not prove out, a judge in a civil proceeding would be very likley to allow you to be included in a class action suit against Chris, if only to be able to return your animals for a refund, just as those who never received their animals. My instincts tell me that you need to refuse delivery on any het animals from TSE from this point forward, but its your call to make. I would send written notification to TSE via certified return-receipt USPS. He needs not accept it, as the only onus on you is to try to his last known address. Hope this helped.
It is still job #1 to get organized and get real legal advice. Legal proceedings are much more likely to be of the civil concern right now, as folks just want their money back if it can be had. If grounds for a criminal complaint become evident, and the DA or others up that way eventually want to pursue it, then it may happen to. The people who have paid for and not received product yet have the best case. They need to actively spearhead this as they have the most to gain. Those who have animals on order have to decide whether to cancel, request a full refund and REFUSE DELIVERY ON ANYTHING SENT, especially if expecting a het, as once accepted you have put yourself in limbo. Those already with hets may have a claim in a civil proceeding as well, but it will hinge on affidavits from the first few who are able to prove or unprove their hets. If a few prove out, you are basically cooked if yours are duds, as it will greatly add to the time before your situation would have merit if yours and others start to not prove out. If the first few do not prove out, a judge in a civil proceeding would be very likley to allow you to be included in a class action suit against Chris, if only to be able to return your animals for a refund, just as those who never received their animals. My instincts tell me that you need to refuse delivery on any het animals from TSE from this point forward, but its your call to make. I would send written notification to TSE via certified return-receipt USPS. He needs not accept it, as the only onus on you is to try to his last known address. Hope this helped.