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Well, Derek should have a list of all of those who sent in their depositions, I believe. If I can get that from him, I'd be glad to try to set something up......other than getting the actual room, cuz I have no clue how the chat works here, lol. If it's similar to Yahoo, I might be able to figure it out, but I can't promise anything. LOL.
 
If a normal member here creates a password protected room, I think it disappears as soon as it's emptied out(don't quote me on that though). Maybe Rich or a SuperMod could create a semi-permanent room for those involved to facilitate those of you that aren't familiar with the chat setup. Since logistically speaking it's most likely going to be hard to get everyone together at the same time it might help to have a venue waiting already should an impromptu gathering occur.
 
I think the whole chat thing would work better in thread format. Then people who weren't there at the same time could still read what others thoughts were. Not just 1 long thread though, different threads for different questions/issues/decisions. I also agree that the monies collected would be best used to try and recoup some of our losses. There's a lot of details that need to be ironed out but with someone trustworthy at the head of it all it could definately work. I think that everyone who bought from him, whether they got their "fake hets" or nothing at all, should get a vote and I think a simple vote system should decide any questions. The catch is that it should be ok'd by the people who donated the money. If the money was donated to try and pursue him legally then the donors may not be ok with this new plan. -Chris (1.2 "het" albinos and 1.2 "het" pieds = $3775.00)
 
Thats why I said only people that are directly involved, the chat will password protected and only those that are involved will get that password, Sorry folks Any Volunteers to set this up. ?
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Bill, I didn't know you bought "hets" from Chris. I must have missed that one.
 
kmurphy said:
Bill, I didn't know you bought "hets" from Chris. I must have missed that one.
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Kevin, I didn't and wouldn't :bolt01:
What I meant was people who bought and didn't receive and those that bought and did getwhat they think or thought were hets and those that contributed to the civil fund which I did.
 
Folks,
I believe that Chris A. hit the nail on the head. The money was donated/solicited to see justice served on TSE if at all possible, and to be spent in that pursuit even if it did not achieve the desired goal. To now suggest it as a charity fund for those who were taken by him might sound noble, but it ain't right without first trying to return it pro-rata to all. I believe that a few of you realize this, and to not do so would undermine your individual credibility more than it is worth, IMHO.
 
Chameleon Company said:
Folks,
I believe that Chris A. hit the nail on the head. The money was donated/solicited to see justice served on TSE if at all possible, and to be spent in that pursuit even if it did not achieve the desired goal. To now suggest it as a charity fund for those who were taken by him might sound noble, but it ain't right without first trying to return it pro-rata to all. I believe that a few of you realize this, and to not do so would undermine your individual credibility more than it is worth, IMHO.
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Jim I do understand what you are saying, I thought that when Chuck made that suggestion about buying hets to breed to a visible The people who did contribute would of came forward, or been contacted to see what they may want to do with what they contributed.but other then I, nobody said what they wanted to do with their sent money.
 
If you guys want to go through with this, Bob should have a list of the people who contributed. Perhaps he can contact them individually and see how they feel.
 
Personally, I like the idea of the breeding project to recoup some money. While I definitely would be happy to get my money back :D I would be equally happy to see Chris punished. Until the police stepped in it looked like our only path to see that happen was through the civil courts. But now, with the police involved, doesn't it now look possible to have our cake and eat it to?
 
I donated just over $200.00, I think thats about right. This money was given by me freely. I do not look for it back, it was a gift to the ones that were scammed by Chris. IMO, I think a breeding program would be a great idea. However, my part of these funds are yours to use as you see fit. That is how I feel, and my thoughts on the matter. :)

I would like to see Chris buried under the jail, but that is yet another topic. :rolleyes:
 
Stings said:
Nope, only care about #1. want to buy some hets? i got them from the local sweet feed. i think these will be pieds.
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It's nice to know that there is at least one person posting on this thread who is an even lower lifeform than Chris. That person would be you Mike. To knowingly sell hets you know to be false makes you scum....plain and simple.

With over 200,000 views on this thread, I am sure that your sterling character will become widespread in the near future. In fact, I am sure that the folks who have already purchased your hets will be in touch once they read the last few pages
 
ApexPredatorBoids said:
It only takes about 30 seconds to set up a password protected chat room here on fauna chat..and that's taking your time about it. An "insiders" discussion certainly seems in order right about now. Those of us looking in on this can all hang around to bicker til the cows come home..but it's You guys that are most directly effected here and it's You that should decide the next move to make.
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I'm not exactly sure what you are all thinking of, but personally I think trying to herd everyone together to be in a chat room at the same time will prove to be rather fruitless. And anything "said" will be lost unless someone captures the text and stores it somewhere. Doesn't sound like a very efficient way to get something done, in my opinion.

And who exactly is going to control who has access via the password?

If needed, I can set up a forum on this site that will have a password access lock, plus has the added benefit that everything doesn't have to take place in real time. Threads and posts made will be stored there until that information is no longer needed, for anyone who has access to that forum to read and comment on at their own convenience.

I think this would be a WHOLE lot more efficient for what I think you guys are recommending......
 
Just curious if anyone has thought to try and bump this up to Federal level? Looked into it? Thought about it?
I mean, the theivery was not limited to his home state apparantly. The dollar amount is significant enough, and the feds don't have to worry about what state he is residing in to act.

I mean, just ONE person..............."-Chris (1.2 "het" albinos and 1.2 "het" pieds = $3775.00)" Anybody have a tally of the TOTAL amount? Seems like it could climb pretty high judging by the amount of people who were took.

Just a thought. Since local police seem to be moving at their usual snails pace, (not that the feds are any quicker) perhaps trying another direction as well could help.


Rick
 
Chameleon Company said:
Folks,
I believe that Chris A. hit the nail on the head. The money was donated/solicited to see justice served on TSE if at all possible, and to be spent in that pursuit even if it did not achieve the desired goal. To now suggest it as a charity fund for those who were taken by him might sound noble, but it ain't right without first trying to return it pro-rata to all. I believe that a few of you realize this, and to not do so would undermine your individual credibility more than it is worth, IMHO.
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Jim, please give us a little bit of credit ;) , I believe we realize that the donors would have to be included in the decision whether to do this or not to do this, as well as the rest of the process if they so choose. I said at one point that those actually "involved" would all be included in the process, by that I meant all of those who either were victims of some sort, or those who were actually doing something to help. I apologize if I didn't make that clear, I guess I thought it was kind of a "given".

I also did not think it was appropriate to ask on this public forum, "OK, who gave money"? Obviously Bob England has a list of all of those who did donate, and either he would need to contact those folks, or whomever was trying to set all of this up could contact them privately.

Rich, thank you.......I guess I really didn't know if setting up an extra secured forum would be a huge headache, but that would definitely be the way to go if it is possible. Obviously only those on a set "list" would be allowed access to the password, I guess I'd like to THINK that all of those that we would include on that list would be trustworthy and would not give access to others.

Rick.....I know many of us have indeed filed reports with a couple of different "federal level" agencies, and I do know that the IFC has had some involvement, but it all seems to be going back to the NY police level. Of course, they MAY be doing more than we know, but who knows. At this point, I'm not holding my breath. And I don't know that we have ever gotten an actual tally of the total amount, as it was somewhat like pulling teeth to get some of the victims to even respond with all of that kind of information, as evidenced by the number of us who actually took the time to send in our depositions.
 
WebSlave said:
I'm not exactly sure what you are all thinking of, but personally I think trying to herd everyone together to be in a chat room at the same time will prove to be rather fruitless. And anything "said" will be lost unless someone captures the text and stores it somewhere. Doesn't sound like a very efficient way to get something done, in my opinion.
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Rich, I did relieze that after a while ( sleeping)
And who exactly is going to control who has access via the password?
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That is why I asked, Any Volunteers ? I mean I would, But there mixed feelings about me, so that sorta leaves this up to the community to vote in someone.We need some one who is going to be adult about all of what is being said and not take sides, also this forum needs to be run like we are really doing a human face to face Not a hostile take over :)
If needed, I can set up a forum on this site that will have a password access lock, plus has the added benefit that everything doesn't have to take place in real time. Threads and posts made will be stored there until that information is no longer needed, for anyone who has access to that forum to read and comment on at their own convenience.
I think this would be a WHOLE lot more efficient for what I think you guys are recommending......
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Rich I like that idea alot, Thanks in advance for setting this up, if your willing to.
 
WebSlave said:
I'm not exactly sure what you are all thinking of, but personally I think trying to herd everyone together to be in a chat room at the same time will prove to be rather fruitless. And anything "said" will be lost unless someone captures the text and stores it somewhere. Doesn't sound like a very efficient way to get something done, in my opinion.

And who exactly is going to control who has access via the password?

If needed, I can set up a forum on this site that will have a password access lock, plus has the added benefit that everything doesn't have to take place in real time. Threads and posts made will be stored there until that information is no longer needed, for anyone who has access to that forum to read and comment on at their own convenience.

I think this would be a WHOLE lot more efficient for what I think you guys are recommending......
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Man, I wish I had thought of that. Lol.

cahrens said:
I think the whole chat thing would work better in thread format. Then people who weren't there at the same time could still read what others thoughts were. Not just 1 long thread though, different threads for different questions/issues/decisions. I also agree that the monies collected would be best used to try and recoup some of our losses. There's a lot of details that need to be ironed out but with someone trustworthy at the head of it all it could definately work. I think that everyone who bought from him, whether they got their "fake hets" or nothing at all, should get a vote and I think a simple vote system should decide any questions. The catch is that it should be ok'd by the people who donated the money. If the money was donated to try and pursue him legally then the donors may not be ok with this new plan. -Chris (1.2 "het" albinos and 1.2 "het" pieds = $3775.00)
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varnyard said:
I donated just over $200.00, I think thats about right. This money was given by me freely. I do not look for it back, it was a gift to the ones that were scammed by Chris. IMO, I think a breeding program would be a great idea. However, my part of these funds are yours to use as you see fit. That is how I feel, and my thoughts on the matter. :)

I would like to see Chris buried under the jail, but that is yet another topic. :rolleyes:
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Thanks Bobby. I think as long as all the donors are ok with it, the breeding program is a great idea. -Chris
 
Chameleon Company said:
Folks,
I believe that Chris A. hit the nail on the head. The money was donated/solicited to see justice served on TSE if at all possible, and to be spent in that pursuit even if it did not achieve the desired goal. To now suggest it as a charity fund for those who were taken by him might sound noble, but it ain't right without first trying to return it pro-rata to all. I believe that a few of you realize this, and to not do so would undermine your individual credibility more than it is worth, IMHO.
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Jim, I know that the money was collected to see if the community could file a civil suit, Well it doesn't look like that road is being paved, So if this road isn't going according to plan, We have 2 options here,

  • Option 1
Those that gave money to the civil fund E-mail or contact Bob and request that he refund their money.

  • Option 2
Those that gave money to the civil fund E-mail or contact Bob and request that he invest their money.it is a simple as that. :) There are no shades of gray here. After all Charity begins at home and isn't this community home to us ??
 
Bill,
My suggestion was as a reminder to maintain some sort of a "sunshine rule" with all parties involved. However, with regards to this quote from you ....
Those that gave money to the civil fund E-mail or contact Bob and request that he invest their money.it is a simple as that.
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.....I believe that the onus is on Bob or whoever holds the money to contact all who gave money, not the other way around. Some participants here may feel that it is OK to make assumptions about the proper disposition of things. Yet any attorney will tell you to dot every "i" and cross every "t". With regard to "giving credit", of course, as we all know, members of the BOI do not make assumptions nor draw hasty conclusions .... what was I thinking, eh? :rolleyes:

However, now a somewhat opposing view. Perhaps with every scam reported here and validated, Rich could set up a little "click here to donate" option for viewers to help ease the financial burden on that particular victim. Or if a victim decides to solicit donations for their blunder, hopefully we won't scoff at their appeal for charity since ....
all Charity begins at home and isn't this community home to us ??
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All that said, the charity shown by Members here regarding this particular case, especially by those who suffered no loss, is commendable.
 
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