Tribal Reptile Rip me off!!!

[Stephen Barger]

Um... well that sure looks to me like he had registered a second account to back up the first one, when people where doubting the first poster.  Then when called on his bluff he quickly apologized.  Then again, thats just my opinion I could be wrong.  (quote from Dennis Miller ((HBO))  )

Man Bandito, your sinking faster and faster, you might want to act like a good rat and jump off the ship now before you drown.  

I am sorry, I don't think I am trying to imply your a rat, but even a rat knows when to abandon ship.  So maybe you should act like a rat.  JUMP.

Bandito, I am going to be like your second grade principle, you know when you got in the fight with 'johnny', "Ok Bandito, are you sure you don't have anything to tell me, you know your punishment is less severe if you admit you hit him"  Basically , come clean , admit your lying thru your teeth, and some of us may forgive, but none of us will forget.

Stephen Barger
P.S... I am not trying to speak for anyone else here, just my honest opinion.  It is **possible Bandito is telling the truth, but after all the inconsistancies, I am not a believer, not that I ever was, but I have to admit, I wanted to give him time to try to explain himself, but I knew Tribal would prevail.

 

[Classic Dum's]

"Sorry for what I did but im sick of what they did to me" awwwwwww someone didnt think the webmaster would post this  <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>  ill bet that really pisses you off  <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'> after you swore up and down that you and Harvey wernt one   <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>  sorry dude but you just lost all credibilty   <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'> so I think your best bet would really be to leave the BOI alone and forget about it  <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>
see ya

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Just for the record, I believe I have made it very plain that anyone whom sends me private emails should not expect they will remain private if the weight of evidence forces me to settle an issue on the BOI using such an email.  This goes for threats, abuse, demands to delete messages, or in instances like this, I catch someone in a breach of ethics.  I keep a lot of things to myself, but there are some instances where an email is a direct contradiction of statements being made in public, and I cannot hold that lie to myself.

Please do not think you cannot talk to me in private, but do NOT ask me to share a lie with you.
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[T.C. Serpents]

For what it's worth it was obvious they were the same person when he posted about them using the same computer. If Harvey was thinking about ordering from them and then read the thread than why didn't he just turn around and say hey don't order from them and have the conversation together.

Don't worry Tribal I personally have heard nothing, but good things about you guys and this guy just totally ruined his credibility with his email to Rich.

Your reputation remains untarnished in my eyes and I wouldn't hesitate to do buisiness with you.
And Luis if you send one more nasty email to me, I will forward it to your internet server and post them here. DO NOT EMAIL ME AGAIN!
Thank you and have a pleasant Easter.

 

[Stephen Barger]

I meant to put that in my original post (top of page 5) regaurding Tribals reputation not being tarnished in my eyes.  When I saw the very first post I took notice, as did most.  I had never heard bad things, and my first impression was not that either side was wrong, but that it was a mistake.  The more Luis posted (and his multiple personalities) the more they lost in credibility.  I WOULD NOT hesitate to do business with Tribal.  

Stephen Barger

 

[BaNDiTo]

T.C. Serpents

Are you talking about this Nasty email I sent you? Because that the only one I sent to you and I don't see anything nasty about it.


Message Title: Sent: Re:TC Serpent is right...

BaNDiTo



Group: Members
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Joined: Mar. 2002  Posted: Mar. 29 2002,17:27


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I ordered 3 Underwoodisaurus Milii from Tribal Reptile before they changed over their website and I have a copy of their shipping guarantee.  Unfortunately, they are not responsible for anything that happens due to the carrier's error.  If you did not request insurance, then they're not going to add it to your shipping costs.  It's poor policy to have not double checked everything with you.  They should have sent you a copy of the guarantee along with your shipping info so that everything was clear.  But as for getting your money back, I think it's a lost cause...and trying to ruin their reputation isn't going to make it better!



I'm not trying to ruin their reputation. but man they know there wrong if you see all the proof I sent to them you would agree with me. If this was to happend to you I don't think you want to loose almost $600 . All I want is what I pay for that's it.

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Luis Vasquez

 

[BaNDiTo]

Stephen Barger

I'm not a rat so i'm not going to jump anywhere. I said I will prove I didn't recieve that package and that's what i'm going to do. Chris from Tribal say he would have his proof on saturday where is it. Once I get mines you will all see that I was telling the truth about not recieving the 2nd shipment.

Why don't some of you guys or girls ask yourself this question If airborne had deliverd the 2nd package to me why would they send me a settlement for $100.00 If they had my signiture on it??? Hmm don't make sense does it?? meanwhile you guys are more worry about the mistake I made by letting my friend post from here.

The facts still remains that I didn't get my 2nd shipment.
Buy the way read the post I put up with the email I got from tim that starts like this:

This is a copy of that email dated 11/27/2001 2:14pm

(Well of course!!!! They lost the package and they are not responsible. That makes sense now doesn't it?)
(I do believe that you probably were not informed about insurance as it is a huge rip off)

And at the bottom of the email

(I am willing to discount your next order to help with this mess that is indeed not your fault)

 

[Stephen Barger]

Bandito, like I said before, I don't believe I was implying you were a rat.  I simply was making the point, that even rats know when to stop.  There has to be a point where it is no longer beneficial to continue, especially if the story isn't true.  

I don't believe you, that is not to say it couldn't be so, but your story changes with every post.  You the delivery driver claimed he went up the driveway, but because you didn't have a driveway he must be lying.  Delivery drivers go to probably close to 100 places a day, so to mistake yourplace as one with a driveway isn't a bold face lie.  

Like I had posted before (a couple days ago), Airborne doesn't always get signatures even when requested by shipper.  Here at my residence, where all my animals are delivered, I only sign for them maybe 1 out of 10 times, even when there is a sticker on the box, Request Signature, and various things like that.  

Next point, to continue about your story changing, you (or the other guy) posted under a different alias (I know i heard your friend was at your house), and decided to post.  People asked who this guy was, even after WebSlave said that it was the same IP, you took numerous posts to come up with a story to explain this mysterious person.  Then you sent an email apologizing to the webmaster for the mistake, and saying it'll never happen again.  Now if this was an honest thing where there was a true second person, why would you say it'll never happen again, I would just explain a friend was over, and decided he wanted to post in my defense.  

Either way, you need to do one of two things:  JUMP and swim (away) or post evidence to support your claims.  

Stephen Barger
Lets see how far Bandito can swim!

 

[Clay Davenport]

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You have mentioned repeatedly through this thread about all this proof you have, and have sent Tribal. Where is it? If you have such incriminating evidence, post it to this thread and give yourself some credibility, you must see that you've already lost all that you had with the Harvey scam.

But then again, I notice this line in your next post:

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Chris from Tribal say he would have his proof on saturday where is it. Once I get mines you will all see that I was telling the truth about not recieving the 2nd shipment.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Once you get your proof? I thought you had already sent this proof to Chris. So which of these statements are true Harvey? Oh wait, that's Luis.

 

[The BoidSmith]

I don't want to add more wood to the fire on a thread that seems already close to be solved.

I just want to clear some things up wit regards to Airborne Express.

I live in a small town and never had a problem with Airborne Express delivering. Three weeks ago they had a 1 day delay due to a snowstorm (flights were delayed).

Their tracking system is reliable and is a click of the mouse away. In general I'm at work when they deliver so I just leave a signed note for them to know they can leave the package by the door or in the garage.

Their policy with regards to shipping reptiles was posted previously. They ONLY allow tortoises, period. Do they know people ship also snakes? Of course they do.

Last week I bought a python from one of the "big breeders" in the industry. He only deals with ball pythons and boa morphs.  The package (impecable and very professional) arrived through Airborne Express and it had big, printed, red letters that stated "live harmless reptile" "avoid extreme temperatures". The driver(s) that pick up packages at this person's place certainly know what they are picking up.

What I am saying here is AE is in this for the business. If you are a responsible shipper/buyer they want to work with you. It doesn't matter if you ship a tortoise or a python.

Now, their policy clearly states they don't accept snakes. If something happens to your shipment the only option you have is the insurance.

On the other hand, if other than a tortoise is delivered, not declared and a DOA happens do not try to file a claim with them because it is the shipper that is at fault (and the buyer for accepting AE and not Delta for example).

If shippers insist on shipping under less than ideal conditions and buyers insist in filing dubious claims, this might make AE re-think their policies and it might backfire on us. Please be careful.

Thanks,

Daniel

 

[BaNDiTo]

That post from alvaro just prove one of my post about that Tribal had me summit a fake invoice to airborne so he wouldn't get into trouble for shipping reptile threw them.

On the other hand, if other than a tortoise is delivered, not declared and a DOA happens do not try to file a claim with them because it is the shipper that is at fault (and the buyer for accepting AE and not Delta for example).

Tribal Reptile don't give you the choice of any other shipper they only use airborne. If they where to use Delta Dash or any other shipper to give the custumer the choice I would had choose Delta Dash like I done once before with a privite breeder. because there only 25/30mins from me.

As far as insurance read the post where I pasted an Email from them. He amited that airborne lost the package and he says some stuff about the insurance stuff.

 

[EMERALDGUY33]

I see a trend developing here. Not just in this thread, but in others as well. It saddens me. Someone starts a thread to air gripes. At first glance, it looks legitimate. Then the bottom drops out. And the truth comes out. Bad dealers and dealings are and will always be a sensitive topic with us. As I'm sure the majority of us have a story to tell. It would be foolish of anyone to think that we would not come together and stick up for each other. Most of us here have a lot of time, $$$$, hard work, and dedication into our collections. And you had better believe that we hold our collections dear to us. In this community, credibility IS everything. Lose it, you don't get it back. No matter how much you backpedal. As other threads verify, lies will be outed. I have no experience with either Tribal or Luis. I however would like to say that I admire Tribal's candor. Not only what you say is important, but how you say it as well. Luis, do yourself a favor, man. Drop this one. Your credibility is apparently shot. If, a big if, Tribal Reptile is as bad a dealer as you say, it will come out later on. Until then, you don't have a leg to stand on. Leave well enough alone and enjoy the reptiles. If you feel so strong about your convictions, go on and keep stating your side. But be warned, if you are wrong, it will backfire in your face. Just my 2 cents here, guys.

 

[BaNDiTo]

EMERALDGUY33

How can you say this: Leave well enough alone and enjoy the reptiles.

1.Buy any chance did you deliver the package to me??

2.I got this from one of the post here: Can you prove you use the bathroom today??

3.You think it's right just because there a company gives them the right to do what they did??

4.As I'm sure the majority of us have a story to tell. It would be foolish of anyone to think that we would not come together and stick up for each other. <-- That statment tell me all. regardless weather Tribal is wrong at this point you will say there not. Sound to me like the code of silence that cops use.

5. If you read or anyone here the email I pasted from Tribal where he amits the package was lost you were not be saying what you are.

 

[EMERALDGUY33]

Luis,

I was afraid my post would elicit this type of response from you. I see you have misinterpreted it. First, I'm not saying that either side is right or wrong. I was not there and am not involved. I am merely commenting on what I've seen posted. I have followed this thread as I do others. It is important to know who to buy from and not to. I have been burned before. I am a truck driver. I've been around and am familiar with deliveries. I believe dealers and carriers should be held to the highest of standards. I don't jump on the bandwagon. I consider all sides equally. If you were wronged, I feel bad and can relate. However, you went about it the wrong way, man. I admire your persistence. But your credibilty is shot here. Until you post entirely credible evidence supporting your position. Not just say "when I gets mine". Post your proof, state your side, and let it go from there. Each and every one of us is different and will have a different take on the matter. When you started this thread, you should have known that you'd be opening a can of worms. I am not going to sit here and tell you that you were wrong. I don't know. But as far as how you've presented yourself here, you did go about it wrong. Should it come out that you are right and was shafted by Tribal, you deserve your money back in full or new reptiles. However, should you be proven wrong, you deserve the backlash you will get. Take from this what you will.

 

[Robert Wilson]

Hi I'm new to this forum and I've been reading some of the post here and the one that intrest me the most is this one. And this is only my opinion so don't get angry at me.
How can some of the people here defend Tribal Reptile, I read the post that Luis has here and in now way he has said that Tribal has bad reptile or bad custumer relation and so on the only thing it seem's to me is that He has not recieve his 2nd shippment from them nothing else.
I also read the post where he pasted an email from Tim where he amits that airbone did loose his 2nd shippment and also amits he don't tell his custumers about the insurance because it's a rip off then if you read it down at the bottom it says this, I am willing to discount your next order to help with this mess that is indeed not your fault. It seem's that Tim can't get his story straight because he says this in his post I had gotten over 10 confirmations by Airborne that the freight was in fact delivered. THIS WAS NOT A LOST PACKAGE!!!!! . If it was not a lost package why would airborne send him a $100.00 settlement. If any of you are really reading any of the post you would agree that Tim is only doing this because of his screw up policy which really sux because if anyone here was to loose the amount of money Luis lost you would be upset also. like I said before Luis only problem is that he never got his 2nd package that's it.
Buy the way I love these post because there talking about the same thing a package that got lost and how mess up Tribal Reptile policy is not about how great there reptiles are and so on.
Todd Evans Posted: Mar. 28 2002,17:25
But still....regardless of how tribal ships, the shipment was LOST......they know this, yet they won't take any responsibility for it? Bandito....(you have to use you full name or this thread will get deleted) did tribal give YOU a choice of shipping terms? If they had and YOU chose Airborne AFTER them telling you it's against policy, then you ARE just as responsible. But if this is Tribal's normal policy (to ship through airborne WITHOUT permission) then that's just bad business. Why would they ship something with a company that doesn't ship it?

All I'm saying is that Tribal has PROOF that the shipment was lost. Why are they punishing Bandito for their bad decision. I know all the facts are not on the table yet, but if this IS the case, then Tribal DOES owe this person SOMETHING.

ONLY SHIP DELTA.....PAY FOR IT AND PICK IT UP YOURSELF....that's the way I prefer to do everything, and I have yet to have a problem with it or even HEAR about a problem with it......

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Todd Evans
Beyond Utopia Serpentarium
Tri-State Herpetological Society
sschind Posted: Mar. 29 2002,00:36
This has been discussed before but I think it is worth another go around. I think that these claims about not being responsible for carrier delay or error are BS. If you take a person's money for your product, you are responsible for making sure that that person gets the product they paid for. Plain and simple, They sent you money for your product, you have an absolute obligation to get them that product. Is it your fault that the carrier lost the package? No it isn't, but the point isn't regarding who's fault it is that the package was lost, the point is who is responsible for getting the product to the buyer? You are, the seller. The carrier lost the package, it doesn't matter. You did not, fulfill your obligation, the package didn't arrive (or arrived late and the animals were dead) you owe replacement animals at your expense, or a full refund of every penny the buyer sent you.

Now if you and the buyer can come to a compromise, so be it, but the buyer has no obligation to accept anything other than full replacement, or full refund.

I know that this is not the most popular notion with most of the shippers here, and most will have some sort of disclaimer regarding carrier delays. Like I said, it's BS.

Steve Schindler
craig goldie Posted: Mar. 29 2002,01:11
hi steve ,yes i cound not agree more.buyer sees add ,sends money up front,puts 100% trust in seller gets nothing but a run around for his cash? no plain and simple not cool.
if a claim is to be made against a freight company i fell that the seller should be the one to do this ,mostly on good faith and to go that little bit extra that keeps customes coming back.besides a company or person that ships a fair bit gets a heck of a better response to claims than a person who just recives one package.
craig g
Neil Gubitz - The Snake Pit Posted: Mar. 29 2002,18:52
Chris or Tim (which ever one of you two is on-line), Steve Schindler is 100% CORRECT!! I don't care WHAT you have as a disclaimer! It's called ETHICS and MORALITY!! He PAID FOR live animals INCLUDING shipping! He got the first shipment, which you agreed to compensate him for....the second shipment was "supposedly" lost by Airborne! IF THAT IS THE CASE....Chris (or Tim), you OWE HIM, either, his MONEY BACK, or REPLACEMENT ANIMALS!! END OF DISCUSSION!!

On the other hand...IF they WERE delivered....you should have TWO airbill numbers that you could post HERE! Really, Chris...How can someone PROVE they WEREN'T DELIVERED??? Tell you what...PROVE TO ME that YOU DIDN'T go to the bathroom today!! Can you see how ridiculous that question is?? But, the fact remains...if you CAN PROVE that the SECOND shipment was delivered and SIGNED FOR....Tribal WINS! CASE CLOSED!! ....Neil

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Neil Gubitz - The Snake Pit

These are NOT my opinions! These words of wisdom were handed down from a Tibetan Monk in the 5th Century, BC! So, if you have a problem with HIS tone of voice?....SUE HIM!!

Again im on no ones Side it's just my opinon but the facts are there that this guy didn't get his package and the shipper should make things right.

 

[The BoidSmith]

[Now if you and the buyer can come to a compromise, so be it, but the buyer has no obligation to accept anything other than full replacement, or full refund.

I know that this is not the most popular notion with most of the shippers here, and most will have some sort of disclaimer regarding carrier delays. Like I said, it's BS.]

If after reading the "fine print" you still want to go ahead and order that's your call. When you buy a cheap car with the sign "as is" and it turns that the transmission breaks down the day after the purchase, will you get your money back?

A while ago I was thinking on buying a few animals from one of the wholesellers. After reading through two pages of terms, conditions and disclaimers I decided not to. If I had gone ahead and order and something went wrong I would probably had no right to complain. I had read and understood the rules so it was my prerrogative to buy from them or not.

If the seller states clearly that he is not responsible for lost packages I understand his position, but probably won't buy from him. If I go ahead and buy anyways and something goes wrong, well I took my chances and lost.

Just my opinion.

Daniel

 

[Robert Wilson]

Hi alvaro your right about what you said but people make mistake and I hope both parties learn from it. I myself wouldn't by from any reptile place with a policy like Tribal Reptile because they think Airborne is god and they don't loose any packages. So like I said before Tim from Tribal is hiding behind that policy which sux. And anyone that see a policy like that shouldn't make a purchase from that place.

 

[BaNDiTo]

Ok guys i've not posted in a couple of days because I was waiting for Airborne to call me which they did today. This is the deal as per my conversation with them. I explain to them what happend and they told me the settlement they sent me was for a lost package meaning never deliverd I never recieved it.

So they told me to call there claims department which I did and they ask me to fax them a request so they can call the shipper and tell him that the package was lost and for that reason they gave me $100.00 settlement and I would have got the full amount if Tribal Reptile had added a $5.00 insurance on it which is only 50 cents for every $100.00.

So if you read the post Tim put up where he said --> I had gotten over 10 confirmations by Airborne that the freight was in fact delivered. THIS WAS NOT A LOST PACKAGE!!!!! So please…everyone out there get this straight!!! <--  If you like you can called them yourself and give them the claim number they will tell you the same as they told me the package was lost, not delivered ever.  

Also Chris said that the rep was going to give them the info on Saturday so where is it.. guess what you won't see it because Airborne told me themselves the package was lost. I hope you do call airborne so you hear for yourself I was not lying about this.

This is what I fax to them:

Monday, April 01, 2002

To Whom It May Concern:

In first place I want to thank you people there at Airborne for sending me the settlement on my claim. The reason why I’m writing you is I need your help with the shipper I’m trying to get the rest of my claim from them and for some reason there telling me that there sales rep from Airborne keeps telling them that I receive the package and it’s not true.  I scanned and email the settlement invoice to the shipper and the still refuse to believe it.

1.I told them the reason I got the settlement was because the package was lost. As per your customer’s service person told me.

2.I also told them the reason why I didn’t get the full amount from Airborne was because there was no declare value on the package and it’s up to the shipper to put one on it. As per your customer’s service person told me.

3.I also told them that there is no way there sales rep gave them information different from what I got from customer service which they told me the shipper is lying and don’t want to face the truth that the package was lost.


What I would like is if someone from your department can call the shipper and explain to him/her the reason why I got the settlement was indeed because the package was lost and also why I only got $100.00 settlement from Airborne. This will prove to them that they were wrong and maybe hearing it from someone in your claims department will wake them up.

If for some reason someone does call them can you please get the name of the person you spoke to and the time?  The manager name is Chris Kelly, the owner is Tim Samra, and the name of the company is Tribal Reptile Co. Phone is (909) 798-7800.

Please after you speak to them can you please call me and let me know whom you spoke to this way I’ll have it for my records, and my Phone is (XXX) XXX-XXXX. Also if someone can please send me email the reason why I got the settlement so I have that for my records also that will be a big plus. Thank you so much for taking the time to address this problem.


Thank You,
Luis Vasquez
15A Armand St.
Staten Island NY 10314
This is the claim #11190002203 <--- Use that.
This is the Tracking #6110550062 which is not online anymore.

 

[WebSlave]

OK, I'm gullible and don't believe for a minute that Robert Wilson is in fact Luis.  Nope, I  certainly don't believe it for a minute.....  It's only a coincidence that they write as similarly as they do.

But regardless, I have had enough of this thread.  That horse is SO dead and is still being beaten and I'm tired of the smell in here.  So this thread is now CLOSED.  NO ONE will be allowed to reopen this issue in a new thread.  Do you understand me, Luis?  You told me you were kicked off of Kingsnake.com.  It is not impossible for that to happen here as well.