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Info TRUTHS ABOUT THE HIDDEN GENE WOMA THAT ARE IN DIRECT CONFLICT OF KEVIN MCCURELY(NERD)

a lesser simply cant carry a hidden gene without being a platinum in phenotype.

when u breed a platinum to a normal u get lessers and het daddys- but these lessers are just that- lessers.

u better talk to ralph if u dont believe me- he has explained it a thousand times in forums and on his page.


a het daddy is simply a inc dom gene like the lesser too. that gene basically has two different homozygous forms- the platty and the lucy- and my guess is that theres a super het daddys aswell- i just dont know how itll look like.


so the soulsucker is just a single two gene combo- hg woma and lesser. if ud breed a platty to an hg woma ud get soulsuckers and hg womas het daddy- breed such a hg woma het daddy to a lesser or platinum or super lesser and ull get a platty version of a soulsucker- it would statistically be a 1 in 8 ratio when u breed a lesser to a hg woma het daddy.


as far bananas and sexes goes- i think we better leave this topic alone...lol:rolleyes:



i mean u can tell us what u want all day long- but why not simply posting some pics about hg woma granite clutches were granites and granite combos are in?

ud close this discussion immediantly leaving all people with the good feeling that they actually have what they paid for.

shouldnt be a big problem i guess...

Yeah Kevin that is just what Andy said on the HG Woma Champagne as he identified it on the phone...:) and I agree with all of this but you obviously want to avoid it.
 
This is all an attempt to publicize these snakes so he can sell them . if he REALLY !! wanted to keep it between him and Kevin it wouldn't have shown up here . He knew this would start a spark and get the fires going, bringing attention to his snakes and like the old saying " Controversy Sells" .

:shootfoot

:iagree:
 
Ok, this is an email I saw Sunday...from I believe Joe??

Kevin,
What do you want to do about all of this as we are ready to move in a couple of days? That gives you enough time to decide. Read everything underneath. Read everything underneath and it is a simple fix and 100% accurate and correct. It doesn't have to be a public BOI Fiasco unless you want it to be? Let us know as we are moving on this soon.

Clark tucker at Power House Reptiles

From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Allan, This is Clark Tucker. This is a explanation of what Joe is trying to get accross to you.
Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 22:47:06 +0200
To: [email protected]

This is the mail he use
Kevin McCurley
[email protected]

Best regards
Allan Riis

World of Ball Pythons
http://www.worldofballpythons.com
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/forums

[email protected]
0045 6114 1539



Den 26/05/2012 kl. 22.45 skrev Joe Capone:

Allan,
Please give us a good email for Kevin as we don't embarrass him in front of his employees and you are doing him a service by giving him a chance to stop this.

Your Friend
Clark

From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Allan, This is Clark Tucker. This is a explanation of what Joe is trying to get accross to you.
Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 22:30:44 +0200
To: [email protected]

Hi...

I thinks its better that you talk to Kevin about all this.. I will not sit and rename all his animals and, have him get mad at me...

Best regards
Allan Riis

World of Ball Pythons
http://www.worldofballpythons.com
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/forums

[email protected]
0045 6114 1539

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Den 26/05/2012 kl. 22.22 skrev Joe Capone:

Allan,

The animals that are listed on your Morph Page that are labeled Granite Hidden Gene Woma are actually just a single mutation animal. There is NO Granite gene involved. We would like this clarified as it is confusing people about the morph.

When you breed a Granite Hidden Gene Woma it only reproduces itself, a snake named "Granite Hidden Gene Woma". It DOES NOT produce Granites and it also DOES NOT produce Hidden Gene Womas just a mutated version of the Original Hidden Gene Woma. This is clearly shown in the advertisement that Joe sent you a link of. Kevin should not dispute us wanting this mutation clarified. We would like all of the animals labeled Granite Hidden Gene Woma on your Morph Page to be clarified as just a single mutation because, there is no basis for the snake to be labeled as anything other than a single mutation. It is not a DOUBLE MUTATION animal. NO SEPERATE GENES WHEN REFERRING TO "GRANITE HIDDEN GENE WOMA"!!

There are also animals that are labeled as Hidden Gene Womas that are clearly the mutated version that Kevin calls a "Granite Hidden Gene Woma". Those need to be corrected on the Morph Page.

Examples:
Hidden Gene Woma (Granite Hidden Gene Woma)

Hidden Gene Woma Killer Blast (Granite HGW/ Super Pastel /Spider)

Hidden Gene Woma Lemon Pastel (Granite Hidden Gene Woma / Lemon Pastel)

Hidden Gene Woma Spider (Granite Hidden Gene Woma / Spider ON THE 5th PICTURE ALL OTHERS ARE CORRECTLY LABELED)

Hidden Gene Woma Yellowbelly (Granite Hidden Gene Woma / Yellowbelly)

Crystal Soulsucker (Granite Hidden Gene Woma / Lesser / Special)

Coral Glow Granite Hidden Gene Woma (Coral Glow / Granite Hidden Gene Woma)

Cinnamon Granite Hidden Gene Woma Super Pastel ( Cinnamon / Granite Hidden Gene Woma / Super Pastel)

Enchi Granite Hidden Gene Woma ( Enchi / Granite Hidden Gene Woma)

Enchi Granite Hidden Gene Woma Pinstripe Super Pastel ( Enchi / Granite Hidden Gene Woma / Pinstripe / Super Pastel)

Enchi Granite Hidden Gene Woma Yellowbelly ( Enchi / Granite HGW / Yellowbelly)

Fader Granite Hidden Gene Woma ( Fader / Granite HGW)

Fader Granite HGW Pastel ( Fader / Granite HGW / Pastel)

Fader Granite HGW Super Pastel (Fader / Granite HGW / Super Pastel)

Fader Garnite HGW Yellobelly (Fader / Granite HGW / Yellowbelly)

Fire Granite HGW Yellowbelly ( Fire / Granite HGW / Yellowbelly)

Granite Hidden Gene Woma ( Granite HGW )

Granite HGW Lesser Super Pastel ( Granite HGW / Lesser / Super Pastel) ????? Super Pastel Soulsucker ????

Granite HGW Pastel (Granite HGW / Pastel)

Granite HGW Pastel Phantom ( Granite HGW / Pastel / Phantom)

Granite HGW Special ( Granite HGW / Special)

Granite HGW Super Pastel ( Granite HGW / Super Lemon Pastel )

Granite HGW Yellowbelly ( Granite HGW / Yellowbelly)

Inferno ( Granite HGW / Lemon Pastel / Yellowbelly)

Inferno Fader ( Fader / Granite HGW / Lemon Pastel / Yellowbelly)

Super Inferno Fader ( Fader / Granite HGW / Super Pastel / Yellowbelly)

Super Inferno Fader Pinstripe ( Fader / Granite HGW / Super Pastel / Yellowbelly / Pinstripe)

***** Super Pastel Soulsucker ***** LABELED AS A GRANITE HGW LESSER SUPER PASTEL EARLIER WITH SAME PIC " DO YOU SEE HOW REDICULOUS THIS REALLY IS AS THIS IS THE SAME SNAKE ONCE LABELED GRANITE AND THEN AS A ORIGINAL, WTF?????" ( Granite HGW / Lesser / Super Pastel)

Superferno ( Granite HGW / Super Lemon Pastel / Yellowbelly)

Superferno Fader ( Fader / Granite HGW / Super Lemon Pastel / Yellowbelly)

*** Enchi Hidden Gene Woma (NOT EVEN A ENCHI IT IS A LEMON PASTEL HIDDEN GENE WOMA)***

Enchiinferno ( Enchi / Granite HGW / Lemon Pastel / Yellowbelly)

There are also mutated version, the "Granite Hidden Gene Woma" that are labeled Hidden Gene Woma and those need to be clarified as well.

Angel Of Death (Hidden Gene Woma / Lucifer / Lemon Pastel / Yellowbelly)

Chocolate Granite Hidden Gene Woma (Chocolate / Hidden Gene Woma)

Enchi Pastel Pinstripe HGW ( Enchi / Pastel / Pinstripe / Granite HGW)

Enchiinferno Fader ( Enchi / Fader / Hidden Gene Woma/ Pastel / Yellowbelly)

Red Spectrum ( Hidden Gene Woma / Lesser / Pastel / Yellowbelly)


Now this is what I am trying to get resolved because, Joe is going to cream Kevin on the BOI if he doesnt agree to tell the TRUTH. I am sorry that Joe came off a bit rough but if you will look at what he was saying in his emails they were all directed at Kevin because he knows that you are in direct communication with him on this matter. Allan this is going to get completely unbearable for Kevin if he doesnt want to make light of the TRUTH!

Just let me know as soon as possible what Kevin decided because once I cannot get these changes made, Joe is going to bring all of this to light in the BOI and much more that Kevin doesnt want mentioned as public knowledge.

Your friend,
Clark Tucker
www.powerhousereptiles.com

END of that email

This is how it started.... I was rather clueless on what was going on... poor Allan @ World Of Ball Pythons...

Then it got a bit worse...

K
 
I have no problems with Joe posting my emails..... that is, if they are actually REAL!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAguP-zY2AA&feature=related

Joe/Chris.... I think I am seeing something similar........

That is perfect EMG. :rofl: On a serious note, Joe, it's going to be pretty tough to bounce back from this one huh? Why don't you just chalk it up as a loss and stop harassing one of (if not) the biggest name in the industry?
 
Then #2 with my response "What the Hell are you talking about?"

Attached is an Adult hidden gene woma that you released back in 03. Then look at all the quote on quote Hidden Gene Woma's that you are selling? People can't even tell they are the same snake because somehow you have misscontstrued the snake. The Granite Hidden Gene Woma or any other Hidden Gene Woma that you label on your site won't produce this original mutation pictured above. Nor does it act in a fashion that produces two different codominat mutations. People are saying we made all these crosses and they don't look like yours that but after the small confrontation between you and us through Allan as we have the emails you will no longer deny this snake as being a Hidden Gene Woma. We don't want you to have to publicly appease us, we want this genetically accurate. You Hidden Gene Womas that you are releasing are not the same as what you started with and we want people to recognize the original animals as Hidden Gene Womas and we aren't stopping until they do. I have made a pewter soul sucker with the son of the snake pictured above. There should no beef between us over this as we are just trying to get recognition for a snake that you obviously already have. Also to break the Granite on its own when referring to the Granite Hidden Gene Woma or any Hidden Gene Woma Snake you have been labeling these days on its own is completely inaccurate as we both know about the Visual Genetic Marker. What would you like to do as we aren't letting up. No one who has bought any hidden gene woma from you granite or not can make the original Hidden Gene Woma attached. Let's stop playing Games as we don't have time for it.

Clark Tucker PHR

From: [email protected]
Subject: As in Joe - Morph King??????
Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 14:36:44 -0400
To: [email protected]

What the hell are you talking about????
On May 26, 2012, at 4:54 PM, Joe Capone wrote:

Kevin,
What do you want to do about all of this as we are ready to move in a couple of days? That gives you enough time to decide. Read everything underneath. Read everything underneath and it is a simple fix and 100% accurate and correct. It doesn't have to be a public BOI Fiasco unless you want it to be? Let us know as we are moving on this soon.

Clark tucker at Power House Reptiles

From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Allan, This is Clark Tucker. This is a explanation of what Joe is trying to get accross to you.
Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 22:47:06 +0200
To: [email protected]

This is the mail he use
Kevin McCurley
[email protected]

Best regards
Allan Riis

World of Ball Pythons
http://www.worldofballpythons.com
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/forums

[email protected]
0045 6114 1539

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Den 26/05/2012 kl. 22.45 skrev Joe Capone:

Allan,
Please give us a good email for Kevin as we don't embarrass him in front of his employees and you are doing him a service by giving him a chance to stop this.

Your Friend
Clark

From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Allan, This is Clark Tucker. This is a explanation of what Joe is trying to get accross to you.
Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 22:30:44 +0200
To: [email protected]

Hi...

I thinks its better that you talk to Kevin about all this.. I will not sit and rename all his animals and, have him get mad at me...

Best regards
Allan Riis

World of Ball Pythons
http://www.worldofballpythons.com
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/forums

[email protected]
0045 6114 1539

<logo.png>

Den 26/05/2012 kl. 22.22 skrev Joe Capone:

Allan,

The animals that are listed on your Morph Page that are labeled Granite Hidden Gene Woma are actually just a single mutation animal. There is NO Granite gene involved. We would like this clarified as it is confusing people about the morph.

When you breed a Granite Hidden Gene Woma it only reproduces itself, a snake named "Granite Hidden Gene Woma". It DOES NOT produce Granites and it also DOES NOT produce Hidden Gene Womas just a mutated version of the Original Hidden Gene Woma. This is clearly shown in the advertisement that Joe sent you a link of. Kevin should not dispute us wanting this mutation clarified. We would like all of the animals labeled Granite Hidden Gene Woma on your Morph Page to be clarified as just a single mutation because, there is no basis for the snake to be labeled as anything other than a single mutation. It is not a DOUBLE MUTATION animal. NO SEPERATE GENES WHEN REFERRING TO "GRANITE HIDDEN GENE WOMA"!!

There are also animals that are labeled as Hidden Gene Womas that are clearly the mutated version that Kevin calls a "Granite Hidden Gene Woma". Those need to be corrected on the Morph Page.

Examples:
Hidden Gene Woma (Granite Hidden Gene Woma)

Hidden Gene Woma Killer Blast (Granite HGW/ Super Pastel /Spider)

Hidden Gene Woma Lemon Pastel (Granite Hidden Gene Woma / Lemon Pastel)

Hidden Gene Woma Spider (Granite Hidden Gene Woma / Spider ON THE 5th PICTURE ALL OTHERS ARE CORRECTLY LABELED)

Hidden Gene Woma Yellowbelly (Granite Hidden Gene Woma / Yellowbelly)

Crystal Soulsucker (Granite Hidden Gene Woma / Lesser / Special)

Coral Glow Granite Hidden Gene Woma (Coral Glow / Granite Hidden Gene Woma)

Cinnamon Granite Hidden Gene Woma Super Pastel ( Cinnamon / Granite Hidden Gene Woma / Super Pastel)

Enchi Granite Hidden Gene Woma ( Enchi / Granite Hidden Gene Woma)

Enchi Granite Hidden Gene Woma Pinstripe Super Pastel ( Enchi / Granite Hidden Gene Woma / Pinstripe / Super Pastel)

Enchi Granite Hidden Gene Woma Yellowbelly ( Enchi / Granite HGW / Yellowbelly)

Fader Granite Hidden Gene Woma ( Fader / Granite HGW)

Fader Granite HGW Pastel ( Fader / Granite HGW / Pastel)

Fader Granite HGW Super Pastel (Fader / Granite HGW / Super Pastel)

Fader Garnite HGW Yellobelly (Fader / Granite HGW / Yellowbelly)

Fire Granite HGW Yellowbelly ( Fire / Granite HGW / Yellowbelly)

Granite Hidden Gene Woma ( Granite HGW )

Granite HGW Lesser Super Pastel ( Granite HGW / Lesser / Super Pastel) ????? Super Pastel Soulsucker ????

Granite HGW Pastel (Granite HGW / Pastel)

Granite HGW Pastel Phantom ( Granite HGW / Pastel / Phantom)

Granite HGW Special ( Granite HGW / Special)

Granite HGW Super Pastel ( Granite HGW / Super Lemon Pastel )

Granite HGW Yellowbelly ( Granite HGW / Yellowbelly)

Inferno ( Granite HGW / Lemon Pastel / Yellowbelly)

Inferno Fader ( Fader / Granite HGW / Lemon Pastel / Yellowbelly)

Super Inferno Fader ( Fader / Granite HGW / Super Pastel / Yellowbelly)

Super Inferno Fader Pinstripe ( Fader / Granite HGW / Super Pastel / Yellowbelly / Pinstripe)

***** Super Pastel Soulsucker ***** LABELED AS A GRANITE HGW LESSER SUPER PASTEL EARLIER WITH SAME PIC " DO YOU SEE HOW REDICULOUS THIS REALLY IS AS THIS IS THE SAME SNAKE ONCE LABELED GRANITE AND THEN AS A ORIGINAL, WTF?????" ( Granite HGW / Lesser / Super Pastel)

Superferno ( Granite HGW / Super Lemon Pastel / Yellowbelly)

Superferno Fader ( Fader / Granite HGW / Super Lemon Pastel / Yellowbelly)

*** Enchi Hidden Gene Woma (NOT EVEN A ENCHI IT IS A LEMON PASTEL HIDDEN GENE WOMA)***

Enchiinferno ( Enchi / Granite HGW / Lemon Pastel / Yellowbelly)

There are also mutated version, the "Granite Hidden Gene Woma" that are labeled Hidden Gene Woma and those need to be clarified as well.

Angel Of Death (Hidden Gene Woma / Lucifer / Lemon Pastel / Yellowbelly)

Chocolate Granite Hidden Gene Woma (Chocolate / Hidden Gene Woma)

Enchi Pastel Pinstripe HGW ( Enchi / Pastel / Pinstripe / Granite HGW)

Enchiinferno Fader ( Enchi / Fader / Hidden Gene Woma/ Pastel / Yellowbelly)

Red Spectrum ( Hidden Gene Woma / Lesser / Pastel / Yellowbelly)


Now this is what I am trying to get resolved because, Joe is going to cream Kevin on the BOI if he doesnt agree to tell the TRUTH. I am sorry that Joe came off a bit rough but if you will look at what he was saying in his emails they were all directed at Kevin because he knows that you are in direct communication with him on this matter. Allan this is going to get completely unbearable for Kevin if he doesnt want to make light of the TRUTH!

Just let me know as soon as possible what Kevin decided because once I cannot get these changes made, Joe is going to bring all of this to light in the BOI and much more that Kevin doesnt want mentioned as public knowledge.

Your friend,
Clark Tucker
www.powerhousereptiles.com
 
Then #3 email


You released this animal to scales and tails and it was bought in 09 directly from them. You had lunch with someone regarding this animal already and its offspring. You really must have a poor memory and your calling me a twit?

From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: As in Joe - Morph King??????
Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 15:30:24 -0400
To: [email protected]

Really????

Ok Twit..... To who?????

Sorry Charlie, there was Woma and then HG Woma...originally I thought they were the same but came from two sources.......

Do you need to take your medication?

So, you are saying there is not a difference?


I basically do not understand you.....

"small confrontation between you and us"???


What are you talking about???i just got this email TODAY???????


I do not even understand what you are talking about but go right ahead and EXPOSE me.....??????????????


You want to play?


On May 27, 2012, at 3:19 PM, Joe Capone wrote:

Attached is an Adult hidden gene woma that you released back in 03. Then look at all the quote on quote Hidden Gene Woma's that you are selling? People can't even tell they are the same snake because somehow you have misscontstrued the snake. The Granite Hidden Gene Woma or any other Hidden Gene Woma that you label on your site won't produce this original mutation pictured above. Nor does it act in a fashion that produces two different codominat mutations. People are saying we made all these crosses and they don't look like yours that but after the small confrontation between you and us through Allan as we have the emails you will no longer deny this snake as being a Hidden Gene Woma. We don't want you to have to publicly appease us, we want this genetically accurate. You Hidden Gene Womas that you are releasing are not the same as what you started with and we want people to recognize the original animals as Hidden Gene Womas and we aren't stopping until they do. I have made a pewter soul sucker with the son of the snake pictured above. There should no beef between us over this as we are just trying to get recognition for a snake that you obviously already have. Also to break the Granite on its own when referring to the Granite Hidden Gene Woma or any Hidden Gene Woma Snake you have been labeling these days on its own is completely inaccurate as we both know about the Visual Genetic Marker. What would you like to do as we aren't letting up. No one who has bought any hidden gene woma from you granite or not can make the original Hidden Gene Woma attached. Let's stop playing Games as we don't have time for it.

Clark Tucker PHR

From: [email protected]
Subject: As in Joe - Morph King??????
Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 14:36:44 -0400
To: [email protected]

What the hell are you talking about????
On May 26, 2012, at 4:54 PM, Joe Capone wrote:

Kevin,
What do you want to do about all of this as we are ready to move in a couple of days? That gives you enough time to decide. Read everything underneath. Read everything underneath and it is a simple fix and 100% accurate and correct. It doesn't have to be a public BOI Fiasco unless you want it to be? Let us know as we are moving on this soon.

Clark tucker at Power House Reptiles

From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Allan, This is Clark Tucker. This is a explanation of what Joe is trying to get accross to you.
Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 22:47:06 +0200
To: [email protected]

This is the mail he use
Kevin McCurley
[email protected]

Best regards
Allan Riis

World of Ball Pythons
http://www.worldofballpythons.com
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/forums

[email protected]
0045 6114 1539

<logo.png>

Den 26/05/2012 kl. 22.45 skrev Joe Capone:

Allan,
Please give us a good email for Kevin as we don't embarrass him in front of his employees and you are doing him a service by giving him a chance to stop this.

Your Friend
Clark

From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Allan, This is Clark Tucker. This is a explanation of what Joe is trying to get accross to you.
Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 22:30:44 +0200
To: [email protected]

Hi...

I thinks its better that you talk to Kevin about all this.. I will not sit and rename all his animals and, have him get mad at me...

Best regards
Allan Riis

World of Ball Pythons
http://www.worldofballpythons.com
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/forums

[email protected]
0045 6114 1539

<logo.png>

Den 26/05/2012 kl. 22.22 skrev Joe Capone:

Allan,

The animals that are listed on your Morph Page that are labeled Granite Hidden Gene Woma are actually just a single mutation animal. There is NO Granite gene involved. We would like this clarified as it is confusing people about the morph.

When you breed a Granite Hidden Gene Woma it only reproduces itself, a snake named "Granite Hidden Gene Woma". It DOES NOT produce Granites and it also DOES NOT produce Hidden Gene Womas just a mutated version of the Original Hidden Gene Woma. This is clearly shown in the advertisement that Joe sent you a link of. Kevin should not dispute us wanting this mutation clarified. We would like all of the animals labeled Granite Hidden Gene Woma on your Morph Page to be clarified as just a single mutation because, there is no basis for the snake to be labeled as anything other than a single mutation. It is not a DOUBLE MUTATION animal. NO SEPERATE GENES WHEN REFERRING TO "GRANITE HIDDEN GENE WOMA"!!

There are also animals that are labeled as Hidden Gene Womas that are clearly the mutated version that Kevin calls a "Granite Hidden Gene Woma". Those need to be corrected on the Morph Page.

Examples:
Hidden Gene Woma (Granite Hidden Gene Woma)

Hidden Gene Woma Killer Blast (Granite HGW/ Super Pastel /Spider)

Hidden Gene Woma Lemon Pastel (Granite Hidden Gene Woma / Lemon Pastel)

Hidden Gene Woma Spider (Granite Hidden Gene Woma / Spider ON THE 5th PICTURE ALL OTHERS ARE CORRECTLY LABELED)

Hidden Gene Woma Yellowbelly (Granite Hidden Gene Woma / Yellowbelly)

Crystal Soulsucker (Granite Hidden Gene Woma / Lesser / Special)

Coral Glow Granite Hidden Gene Woma (Coral Glow / Granite Hidden Gene Woma)

Cinnamon Granite Hidden Gene Woma Super Pastel ( Cinnamon / Granite Hidden Gene Woma / Super Pastel)

Enchi Granite Hidden Gene Woma ( Enchi / Granite Hidden Gene Woma)

Enchi Granite Hidden Gene Woma Pinstripe Super Pastel ( Enchi / Granite Hidden Gene Woma / Pinstripe / Super Pastel)

Enchi Granite Hidden Gene Woma Yellowbelly ( Enchi / Granite HGW / Yellowbelly)

Fader Granite Hidden Gene Woma ( Fader / Granite HGW)

Fader Granite HGW Pastel ( Fader / Granite HGW / Pastel)

Fader Granite HGW Super Pastel (Fader / Granite HGW / Super Pastel)

Fader Garnite HGW Yellobelly (Fader / Granite HGW / Yellowbelly)

Fire Granite HGW Yellowbelly ( Fire / Granite HGW / Yellowbelly)

Granite Hidden Gene Woma ( Granite HGW )

Granite HGW Lesser Super Pastel ( Granite HGW / Lesser / Super Pastel) ????? Super Pastel Soulsucker ????

Granite HGW Pastel (Granite HGW / Pastel)

Granite HGW Pastel Phantom ( Granite HGW / Pastel / Phantom)

Granite HGW Special ( Granite HGW / Special)

Granite HGW Super Pastel ( Granite HGW / Super Lemon Pastel )

Granite HGW Yellowbelly ( Granite HGW / Yellowbelly)

Inferno ( Granite HGW / Lemon Pastel / Yellowbelly)

Inferno Fader ( Fader / Granite HGW / Lemon Pastel / Yellowbelly)

Super Inferno Fader ( Fader / Granite HGW / Super Pastel / Yellowbelly)

Super Inferno Fader Pinstripe ( Fader / Granite HGW / Super Pastel / Yellowbelly / Pinstripe)

***** Super Pastel Soulsucker ***** LABELED AS A GRANITE HGW LESSER SUPER PASTEL EARLIER WITH SAME PIC " DO YOU SEE HOW REDICULOUS THIS REALLY IS AS THIS IS THE SAME SNAKE ONCE LABELED GRANITE AND THEN AS A ORIGINAL, WTF?????" ( Granite HGW / Lesser / Super Pastel)

Superferno ( Granite HGW / Super Lemon Pastel / Yellowbelly)

Superferno Fader ( Fader / Granite HGW / Super Lemon Pastel / Yellowbelly)

*** Enchi Hidden Gene Woma (NOT EVEN A ENCHI IT IS A LEMON PASTEL HIDDEN GENE WOMA)***

Enchiinferno ( Enchi / Granite HGW / Lemon Pastel / Yellowbelly)

There are also mutated version, the "Granite Hidden Gene Woma" that are labeled Hidden Gene Woma and those need to be clarified as well.

Angel Of Death (Hidden Gene Woma / Lucifer / Lemon Pastel / Yellowbelly)

Chocolate Granite Hidden Gene Woma (Chocolate / Hidden Gene Woma)

Enchi Pastel Pinstripe HGW ( Enchi / Pastel / Pinstripe / Granite HGW)

Enchiinferno Fader ( Enchi / Fader / Hidden Gene Woma/ Pastel / Yellowbelly)

Red Spectrum ( Hidden Gene Woma / Lesser / Pastel / Yellowbelly)


Now this is what I am trying to get resolved because, Joe is going to cream Kevin on the BOI if he doesnt agree to tell the TRUTH. I am sorry that Joe came off a bit rough but if you will look at what he was saying in his emails they were all directed at Kevin because he knows that you are in direct communication with him on this matter. Allan this is going to get completely unbearable for Kevin if he doesnt want to make light of the TRUTH!

Just let me know as soon as possible what Kevin decided because once I cannot get these changes made, Joe is going to bring all of this to light in the BOI and much more that Kevin doesnt want mentioned as public knowledge.

Your friend,
Clark Tucker
www.powerhousereptiles.com
 
a lesser simply cant carry a hidden gene without being a platinum in phenotype.

when u breed a platinum to a normal u get lessers and het daddys- but these lessers are just that- lessers.

u better talk to ralph if u dont believe me- he has explained it a thousand times in forums and on his page.


a het daddy is simply a inc dom gene like the lesser too. that gene basically has two different homozygous forms- the platty and the lucy- and my guess is that theres a super het daddys aswell- i just dont know how itll look like.



so the soulsucker is just a single two gene combo- hg woma and lesser. if ud breed a platty to an hg woma ud get soulsuckers and hg womas het daddy- breed such a hg woma het daddy to a lesser or platinum or super lesser and ull get a platty version of a soulsucker- it would statistically be a 1 in 8 ratio when u breed a lesser to a hg woma het daddy.


as far bananas and sexes goes- i think we better leave this topic alone...lol:rolleyes:



i mean u can tell us what u want all day long- but why not simply posting some pics about hg woma granite clutches were granites and granite combos are in?

ud close this discussion immediantly leaving all people with the good feeling that they actually have what they paid for.

shouldnt be a big problem i guess...

Kevin you are trying to say there were 2 different looking womas but they don't look like a regular woma and you couldn't tell them apart back in the day? You talk out of both sides of your mouth and It is easy to flip and flop when you don't disclose anything. Pastel champagens come on Kevin when Andy Identified champagne HGW to people over the phone and he didn't describe pastel champagnes that I can tell you. It ridiculous and you will be proven wrong becasue there are a lot of people breeding that you can't hold down on a lot of thiongs like in this thread. You know this snake has flames and makes crosses like no other regular woma and there will be other crosses soon to come. You also know that you have offspring just like mine in the HGW spot and its a mistake? Sure it is..:) You just have so many odd things going on at once right? Give me a break and this Joe 23 also has a brain and you are avoiding what he is saying in this post.
 
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Before you start calling us anymore names that snake made these snakes


As in Joe - Morph King??????
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From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: As in Joe - Morph King??????
Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 15:32:12 -0400
To: [email protected]

That looks like a WOma.
On May 27, 2012, at 3:19 PM, Joe Capone wrote:

Attached is an Adult hidden gene woma that you released back in 03. Then look at all the quote on quote Hidden Gene Woma's that you are selling? People can't even tell they are the same snake because somehow you have misscontstrued the snake. The Granite Hidden Gene Woma or any other Hidden Gene Woma that you label on your site won't produce this original mutation pictured above. Nor does it act in a fashion that produces two different codominat mutations. People are saying we made all these crosses and they don't look like yours that but after the small confrontation between you and us through Allan as we have the emails you will no longer deny this snake as being a Hidden Gene Woma. We don't want you to have to publicly appease us, we want this genetically accurate. You Hidden Gene Womas that you are releasing are not the same as what you started with and we want people to recognize the original animals as Hidden Gene Womas and we aren't stopping until they do. I have made a pewter soul sucker with the son of the snake pictured above. There should no beef between us over this as we are just trying to get recognition for a snake that you obviously already have. Also to break the Granite on its own when referring to the Granite Hidden Gene Woma or any Hidden Gene Woma Snake you have been labeling these days on its own is completely inaccurate as we both know about the Visual Genetic Marker. What would you like to do as we aren't letting up. No one who has bought any hidden gene woma from you granite or not can make the original Hidden Gene Woma attached. Let's stop playing Games as we don't have time for it.

Clark Tucker PHR

From: [email protected]
Subject: As in Joe - Morph King??????
Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 14:36:44 -0400
To: [email protected]

What the hell are you talking about????
On May 26, 2012, at 4:54 PM, Joe Capone wrote:

Kevin,
What do you want to do about all of this as we are ready to move in a couple of days? That gives you enough time to decide. Read everything underneath. Read everything underneath and it is a simple fix and 100% accurate and correct. It doesn't have to be a public BOI Fiasco unless you want it to be? Let us know as we are moving on this soon.

Clark tucker at Power House Reptiles

From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Allan, This is Clark Tucker. This is a explanation of what Joe is trying to get accross to you.
Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 22:47:06 +0200
To: [email protected]

This is the mail he use
Kevin McCurley
[email protected]

Best regards
Allan Riis

World of Ball Pythons
http://www.worldofballpythons.com
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/forums

[email protected]
0045 6114 1539

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Den 26/05/2012 kl. 22.45 skrev Joe Capone:

Allan,
Please give us a good email for Kevin as we don't embarrass him in front of his employees and you are doing him a service by giving him a chance to stop this.

Your Friend
Clark

From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Allan, This is Clark Tucker. This is a explanation of what Joe is trying to get accross to you.
Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 22:30:44 +0200
To: [email protected]

Hi...

I thinks its better that you talk to Kevin about all this.. I will not sit and rename all his animals and, have him get mad at me...

Best regards
Allan Riis

World of Ball Pythons
http://www.worldofballpythons.com
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/forums

[email protected]
0045 6114 1539

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Den 26/05/2012 kl. 22.22 skrev Joe Capone:

Allan,

The animals that are listed on your Morph Page that are labeled Granite Hidden Gene Woma are actually just a single mutation animal. There is NO Granite gene involved. We would like this clarified as it is confusing people about the morph.

When you breed a Granite Hidden Gene Woma it only reproduces itself, a snake named "Granite Hidden Gene Woma". It DOES NOT produce Granites and it also DOES NOT produce Hidden Gene Womas just a mutated version of the Original Hidden Gene Woma. This is clearly shown in the advertisement that Joe sent you a link of. Kevin should not dispute us wanting this mutation clarified. We would like all of the animals labeled Granite Hidden Gene Woma on your Morph Page to be clarified as just a single mutation because, there is no basis for the snake to be labeled as anything other than a single mutation. It is not a DOUBLE MUTATION animal. NO SEPERATE GENES WHEN REFERRING TO "GRANITE HIDDEN GENE WOMA"!!

There are also animals that are labeled as Hidden Gene Womas that are clearly the mutated version that Kevin calls a "Granite Hidden Gene Woma". Those need to be corrected on the Morph Page.

Examples:
Hidden Gene Woma (Granite Hidden Gene Woma)

Hidden Gene Woma Killer Blast (Granite HGW/ Super Pastel /Spider)

Hidden Gene Woma Lemon Pastel (Granite Hidden Gene Woma / Lemon Pastel)

Hidden Gene Woma Spider (Granite Hidden Gene Woma / Spider ON THE 5th PICTURE ALL OTHERS ARE CORRECTLY LABELED)

Hidden Gene Woma Yellowbelly (Granite Hidden Gene Woma / Yellowbelly)

Crystal Soulsucker (Granite Hidden Gene Woma / Lesser / Special)

Coral Glow Granite Hidden Gene Woma (Coral Glow / Granite Hidden Gene Woma)

Cinnamon Granite Hidden Gene Woma Super Pastel ( Cinnamon / Granite Hidden Gene Woma / Super Pastel)

Enchi Granite Hidden Gene Woma ( Enchi / Granite Hidden Gene Woma)

Enchi Granite Hidden Gene Woma Pinstripe Super Pastel ( Enchi / Granite Hidden Gene Woma / Pinstripe / Super Pastel)

Enchi Granite Hidden Gene Woma Yellowbelly ( Enchi / Granite HGW / Yellowbelly)

Fader Granite Hidden Gene Woma ( Fader / Granite HGW)

Fader Granite HGW Pastel ( Fader / Granite HGW / Pastel)

Fader Granite HGW Super Pastel (Fader / Granite HGW / Super Pastel)

Fader Garnite HGW Yellobelly (Fader / Granite HGW / Yellowbelly)

Fire Granite HGW Yellowbelly ( Fire / Granite HGW / Yellowbelly)

Granite Hidden Gene Woma ( Granite HGW )

Granite HGW Lesser Super Pastel ( Granite HGW / Lesser / Super Pastel) ????? Super Pastel Soulsucker ????

Granite HGW Pastel (Granite HGW / Pastel)

Granite HGW Pastel Phantom ( Granite HGW / Pastel / Phantom)

Granite HGW Special ( Granite HGW / Special)

Granite HGW Super Pastel ( Granite HGW / Super Lemon Pastel )

Granite HGW Yellowbelly ( Granite HGW / Yellowbelly)

Inferno ( Granite HGW / Lemon Pastel / Yellowbelly)

Inferno Fader ( Fader / Granite HGW / Lemon Pastel / Yellowbelly)

Super Inferno Fader ( Fader / Granite HGW / Super Pastel / Yellowbelly)

Super Inferno Fader Pinstripe ( Fader / Granite HGW / Super Pastel / Yellowbelly / Pinstripe)

***** Super Pastel Soulsucker ***** LABELED AS A GRANITE HGW LESSER SUPER PASTEL EARLIER WITH SAME PIC " DO YOU SEE HOW REDICULOUS THIS REALLY IS AS THIS IS THE SAME SNAKE ONCE LABELED GRANITE AND THEN AS A ORIGINAL, WTF?????" ( Granite HGW / Lesser / Super Pastel)

Superferno ( Granite HGW / Super Lemon Pastel / Yellowbelly)

Superferno Fader ( Fader / Granite HGW / Super Lemon Pastel / Yellowbelly)

*** Enchi Hidden Gene Woma (NOT EVEN A ENCHI IT IS A LEMON PASTEL HIDDEN GENE WOMA)***

Enchiinferno ( Enchi / Granite HGW / Lemon Pastel / Yellowbelly)

There are also mutated version, the "Granite Hidden Gene Woma" that are labeled Hidden Gene Woma and those need to be clarified as well.

Angel Of Death (Hidden Gene Woma / Lucifer / Lemon Pastel / Yellowbelly)

Chocolate Granite Hidden Gene Woma (Chocolate / Hidden Gene Woma)

Enchi Pastel Pinstripe HGW ( Enchi / Pastel / Pinstripe / Granite HGW)

Enchiinferno Fader ( Enchi / Fader / Hidden Gene Woma/ Pastel / Yellowbelly)

Red Spectrum ( Hidden Gene Woma / Lesser / Pastel / Yellowbelly)


Now this is what I am trying to get resolved because, Joe is going to cream Kevin on the BOI if he doesnt agree to tell the TRUTH. I am sorry that Joe came off a bit rough but if you will look at what he was saying in his emails they were all directed at Kevin because he knows that you are in direct communication with him on this matter. Allan this is going to get completely unbearable for Kevin if he doesnt want to make light of the TRUTH!

Just let me know as soon as possible what Kevin decided because once I cannot get these changes made, Joe is going to bring all of this to light in the BOI and much more that Kevin doesnt want mentioned as public knowledge.

Your friend,
Clark Tucker
www.powerhousereptiles.com



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Funny.... this picture was not of a HG Woma or the original mother?? (don't know what that means)
 
Question for anyone that can answer. Why is this a BOI thread? Seems to me should just be a run of the mill ball python thread, nothing has been proved the op is mixing apples and oranges and not come out and shown anything other than drum up a lot of confusion. not to mention we shoud be putting all ths energy to fight HSUS instead of each other. And Kevin keep the sick morphs coming can,t wait to see this years stuff.

If this thread were ONLY about possibly questionable genetics of a particular morph, then yes, you would be correct. But from what I have gathered from reading it, names are being named concerning persons and businesses associated with this topic, and therefore, in my opinion, there really is no other place on this site where this discussion could legitimately take place.
 
First of all I want to start this off by saying we are here to share our opinion about all of this Hidden Gene Woma/Woma stuff, I think a whole post explaining Hidden Gene Woma's and Womas from the start till now is needed. Again this is our opinion and our personal experience, this is all here to hopefully point us in the direction on what Hidden Gene Womas actually do. This is also not directed to anyone, we want to post this so everyone can undertstand a third parties experience with hidden gene womas.

Here is the way we understand it all from our our personal breedings and from talking with others involved in the Hidden Gene Woma project. Kevin imported 2 animals (not sure on the year) at the same time, assuming they were the same gene based on similar looks, he called them both Womas. After breeding the 2 he determined they were different genes, based on the combos each one of them made. He then changed the name of one calling it a Hidden gene Woma, because it was making combos that were really insane looking. After making those combos, he knew they were completely different genes. Hidden Gene Woma is NOT a combo of a Woma, it is it's own gene, just like a Pastel, it occupies it's own loci. To clear up any confusion, you can not seperate the Hidden Gene part of Hidden Gene Woma. For example you can not breed a Hidden Gene Woma to a Normal and make Womas, "Hidden Genes" and Hidden Gene Womas. When breeding Hidden Gene Woma to Normal you will make 50% Hidden Gene Womas and 50% Normals. And when breeding Woma to Normal you will make 50% Womas and 50% Normals. You will not make any Hidden Gene Woma offsrping from breeding Womas, as they are totally different genes.

Here is some info and pictures of the offsrping from our Hidden Gene Woma male that we purchased from Kevin in 2010.

Heres pictures of Hidden Gene Womas that we produced from breeding our Hidden Gene Woma to Normals. Couple of things I wanted to point out is the white and pink calico like sides, the strange looking noses, they don't have a whole lot of pattern on their head like Womas do, also note the flames on the sides of them. Also the color is a lot brighter on their backs, unlike most Womas where the color is pretty much the same throughout the whole animal.
I also wanted to share that we don't own any Womas, we only have Hidden Gene Womas in our collection, so there is no way that any of these babies are Womas.

HGW1.jpg

HGW4.jpg

HGW3.jpg


Now here is some picture of combos we have produced. We bred Hidden Gene Woma to Mojave Bumblebee to make these animals.
This is a Hidden gene Woma Pastel Mojave. I do not have permission to post a picture of a Woma Mojave Pastel or a Woma Mojave as I do not want to post picture of someone elses animal without permission but they look VERY different from this animal.

PastelMojaveHGWFemale2.jpg



A picture of the Hidden Gene Woma with a Pastel HGW

PastelMojaveHGWFemale.jpg


And the Pastel Hidden Gene Woma on her own.

PastelHGW2.jpg

PastelHGW.jpg



The next set of picture is of Womas, these are not Hidden Gene Womas, they are Womas. Sean Bradley gave us permission to post these. He produced all of these from Woma breedings, he did not have any Hidden Gene Womas in his collection until this year, so there is no way there is any confusion between the two.
I wanted to point out on Womas how they look very similar to Spiders, they also make combos that look very similar to Spiders.

These are Womas.


Woma2.jpg

Woma.jpg

Woma3.jpg


These are Pastel Womas, note how much different they look from the Pastel Hidden Gene Womas we posted above, also how much different the heads are from the Hidden Gene Womas to these, Womas also don't normally get those flames and white/pink flecking on the sides like Hidden Gene Womas get. These Pastel Womas look very similar to Pastel Spiders.

PastelWoma2.jpg

PastelWoma.jpg



We don't have any personal experience with Soul Suckers, so I do not feel it is our right to post anything about that. When we produce something from Hidden Gene Woma to Lesser we will share out results with everyone.

As for Granite, we are unsure if our Hidden Gene Woma has it in it. Based on the variability in our Hidden Gene Womas we beleive it does. But there is no way Kevin misconstrued the gene by changing its look because they vary so much there is no 1 way a Hidden Gene Woma looks. I beleive it is just hard to tell the Granite in the animals at some points because like any gene Granite will vary and the same goes with Hidden Gene Woma.

Something we can point out with the Hidden gene Woma gene is it throws random Pearls like Kevin pointed out. We had a Pearl appreaing animal in the Hidden Gene Woma to Mojave Bumblebee clutch, unfortunately it died in the egg. I do not know what is going on with that but I can say if you work with real Hidden Gene Womas you will more then likely see that kind of stuff! I can post pictures of that animal if you would like. I just need to do it in a different post as I put too many pictures of this one.

Again this post is here to post our personal experience, hopefully this can help those who were a little confused about the whole subject. And again this is not directed to anyone, if this needs to be posted in a new thread I can do that.

Thanks for reading,
 
David, do you still trust Kevin knowing that he concealed the problems with the bobble head spiders and the genetically kinked spine caramels while he built up his bank account on everyone who bought those defective morphs from him.he kept his mouth clammed shut while raking in the cash.

Kevin can not be trusted.

Wow - that's rich coming from Ed Clark, the master of spin and lies.

I'll go on record as saying that I know and trust Kevin and I'd pit his moral compass against yours any day of the week.
 
Kevin you are trying to say there were 2 different looking womas but they don't look like a regular woma and you couldn't tell them apart back in the day? You talk out of both sides of your mouth and It is easy to flip and flop when you don't disclose anything. Pastel champagens come on Kevin when Andy Identified champagne HGW to people over the phone and he didn't describe pastel champagnes that I can tell you. It ridiculous and you will be proven wrong becasue there are a lot of people breeding that you can't hold down on a lot of thiongs like in this thread. You know this snake has flames and makes crosses like no other regular woma and there will be other crosses soon to come. You also know that you have offspring just like mine in the HGW spot and its a mistake? Sure it is..:) You just have so many odd things going on at once right? Give me a break and this Joe 23 also has a brain and you are avoiding what he is saying in this post.

You have avoided, spun and deflected every serious question in this thread like you haven't even read what we asked of you but your obviously not fooling most people that I can tell you.
 
Kevin you are trying to say there were 2 different looking womas but they don't look like a regular woma and you couldn't tell them apart back in the day? You talk out of both sides of your mouth and It is easy to flip and flop when you don't disclose anything. Pastel champagens come on Kevin when Andy Identified champagne HGW to people over the phone and he didn't describe pastel champagnes that I can tell you. It ridiculous and you will be proven wrong becasue there are a lot of people breeding that you can't hold down on a lot of thiongs like in this thread. You know this snake has flames and makes crosses like no other regular woma and there will be other crosses soon to come. You also know that you have offspring just like mine in the HGW spot and its a mistake? Sure it is..:) You just have so many odd things going on at once right? Give me a break and this Joe 23 also has a brain and you are avoiding what he is saying in this post.

What, what WHAT are you talking about???? Stop mumbling...... What do Champagnes have to do with this? I can not understand you!!!!!

There were two different Womas(that is what I named them)..they looked similar/same as does a Ummm Lesser or Butter... Cinnamon or Black Pastel...Not EXACT but close enough(this was over 10 years ago!!!!!!!!!!) We have learned LOTS since then!!! One is THE WOMA BALL Line and ONE is THE HG Woma Line.... I MADE THEM BOTH and that is how they got into the market! Do YOU UNDERSTAND THIS POINT?????

Joe 23 is what now you back up????? Talk about reaching..... we have not addressed the POINTS that you have made and your PROOF, REASONING.... NOTHING!!!!! Stop trying to deflect..... This is not about Daddy Platty..... Ralph is the TOP SOURCE for that!!!!! He knows it better than ANYONE..... I am not the MR WIZARD of Daddy Platties..... Until I own that project and work through it I can only offer my OPINION!!!!

Now, how about answering the questions and points...how about MY PICS...Di you look at them???????????????????

If you are going to ACCUSE then you to should organize your ATTACK and at least offer me some form of an OFFENSE!!!!!!! Ignoring much of what I am saying is WEAK!

Kevin
 
Kevin> do not waste anymore time he has nothing never will have anything on you and he is the one avoiding the questions. I think Joe everyone on here is still waiting for you super top secret emails and pics of the big scandel.
 
You have avoided, spun and deflected every serious question in this thread like you haven't even read what we asked of you but your obviously not fooling most people that I can tell you.

Same goes for you? Are you going to answer my question??
I asked you if you have made a Soulsucker, if your answer is Yes, HOW did you make it?? Did you use Kevin's line of Lesser? Did you use "normal" lesser or Butter??
Do you have a picture?

And one more for you: Does your line HG Woma makes Soulsuckers look the same as Kevin's HG Woma as we see it today?
 
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