Info TRUTHS ABOUT THE HIDDEN GENE WOMA THAT ARE IN DIRECT CONFLICT OF KEVIN MCCURELY(NERD)

[Utta]

Well said Clark. As these claims of upset customers is 100% fraudulent. Everyone who we sell too is COMPLETELY SATISFIED unlike our Competition.

Everyone just needs to get over it and realize the Granite Hidden Gene Woma is NOT a 2 gene animal period.

I had actually forgotten someone could be this thick. Are you two and Ed remaking the handbook at deflecting attention? You two need to post all this "proof" you say you have, or just stop posting.

You're making this whole thing into a huge headache. No one gives a crap about your customer service, when you're selling genes that aren't there. That's like bragging you're animals get there on time and healthy, but your fake hets will never prove.

That's what this basically is Joe. You're selling fake hets. You can BELIEVE all you want that they're not, but your belief means exactly NOTHING.

 

[Ghi Reptiles]

Everyone just needs to get over it and realize the Granite Hidden Gene Woma is NOT a 2 gene animal period.

Is that what this whole thing is about? Are you kidding me? If the granite hidden gene woma is not a 2 gene animal...who gives a crap. I posted pictures of enchi womas with no visible granite. I've hatched out granites from an inferno. Big deal...

 

[Ghi Reptiles]

Sorry...before you get carried away Joe...enchi hidden gene womas. Here are pics of the two with no granite. No spot behind the head...no granite.

 

[Joe at PHR]

I cannot believe that this whole entire post has been hijacked by 10 or 12 people that have nothing to show as far as evidence to prove or disprove either parties claims. It has gotten to the point that there are about 10 or 12 of you just making all sorts of ridiculous accusations about Joe and myself. Nothing to do anymore with proving that Kevin's Granite Hidden Gene Woma is nothing more than a misconstrued single mutation animal.

Here is a link to a post were a Granite Hidden Gene Woma Pastel was bred to a Lesser Platinum and it clearly shows you 10 or 12 people you can go suck eggs!

http://www.captivebredreptileforums.co.uk/ball-royal-pythons/47453-soulsucker.html

I understand why these 10 or 12 people are consistently leading away from the point at hand because of posts like the one above. You 10 or 12 people just cannot stand that Clark Tucker and Joe Capone figured out that your hero sold you double mutation snakes that are not!!!! Clearly we are right on this topic but, cannot seem to shine through the hijackers!

You all know that our snake is hiding in the catacombs at that facility up north awaiting this situation that we are presenting now and it scares you that we are right!! Your all afraid of loosing your investment so, you make up slanderous claims about us trying to sell misrepresented animals. You want everyone to also think that we have dissatisfied customers which we do not. You would also like to keep on about Joe's involvement in Ball Python past which you have all misconstrued like Kevin's snake.

I did not want to come here. I tried to settle this with Kevin but he just insisted on calling me names and telling me I don’t know what I am talking about. Clearly this is not the case since everything that is truthful in this post has been quickly hijacked and covered with garbage. Fact of the matter is I am not concerned with the selling of these snakes just their presence on the internet is good enough for me as they are descendants from the Original Hidden Gene Woma which none of you 10 or 12 can disprove.

Like before I stated and I am stating again, I never came here to prove anything. I just came here to tell the truth about the misrepresentation of this particular morph, Granite Hidden Gene Woma.

Best regards,
Clark Tucker
PHR

Sorry Matt,
As you and all of us know now that hits the link above. The Granite Hidden Gene Woma only reproduces a replica of itself. The Granite gene doesn't split because it doesn't exist in that animals period. It is just some bleed off from another single mutation.

It is Just like the offspring from a Het Hiway to a Yellow Breeding in the beginning of this post. It is a misconstrued snake, and it is something that you will never be able to disprove.

 

[gsrept]

Where's your proof JOE, stop dodging show it.

 

[JasonG]

Sorry Matt,
As you and all of us know now that hits the link above. The Granite Hidden Gene Woma only reproduces a replica of itself. The Granite gene doesn't split because it doesn't exist in that animals period. It is just some bleed off from another single mutation.

It is Just like the offspring from a Het Hiway to a Yellow Breeding in the beginning of this post. It is a misconstrued snake, and it is something that you will never be able to disprove.

Really? Matt just posted a hgw enchi with NO granite...

This thread is nuts.

 

[radera5]

Sorry Matt,
As you and all of us know now that hits the link above. The Granite Hidden Gene Woma only reproduces a replica of itself. The Granite gene doesn't split because it doesn't exist in that animals period. It is just some bleed off from another single mutation.

It is Just like the offspring from a Het Hiway to a Yellow Breeding in the beginning of this post. It is a misconstrued snake, and it is something that you will never be able to disprove.

I just forgot how many people were buying HGW's for the Granite. All those people must be pissed!

and before you say it's not about that, and tell me how it is about the truth...just stop. Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house

 

[bxjoon]

This is insane, circle after circle. Smoke screen after smoke screen. Give it a break already. You guys came here to prove Kevin wrong in regards to granite/not granite and so on...But what I'm seeing here is that you guys more than likely sold someone a $17,500.00 that is not true to it's genetics. I really think you have done more harm to yourself than good. This is the stuff that scares me about this awesome hobby/business.

 

[Johnny]

genetics....

I love how everyone is talking out of their rear ends about genetics. No one has any proof on many of these genes and how they interact with each other on the genotypic level. We're only seeing the phenotypic results of these genes/their interactions and many of them have not been consistently confirmed to make any "genetic" claims. Heck, we even mapped out the whole human genome and we're still clueless on 99% of the genes and their function. We should all shut up, get a life, and enjoy the hobby.....

 

[MikeWilbanks]

Clark Tucker and Joe Capone figured out that your hero sold you double mutation snakes that are not!!!! Clearly we are right on this topic but, cannot seem to shine through the hijackers!

I did not get involved in this to defend Kevin. He can defend himself. He is not my "hero". I do have a ton of respect for the immense contributions he has made to the ball python world including consistently working to build and strengthen it. I have never invested in any HGW stuff at all. So, your statement is just deflection from the real facts. I have only 2 contributions to this thread. First, I have eyes, I can see that the PHR snakes are clearly different and more similar to the regular Woma animals that I am producing. Second, I want to stand up for the confidence that people have in the ball python market. They need to remember that there is a history of deceptive behavior with Joe in order to market his business. There is no conspiracy that the "10 or 12" of us is involved in other than defending the integrity of the genes involved and the WOB which is the most comprehensive listing of known genetic mutations. I could care less about you two just selling your animals even if you are deceiving your customers, that is none of my business. It is up to them to do the research and if they get conned by you, it is not up to me to police that. It does seem like there are a couple people that have bought the lines and fully believe it including Clark. I am very defensive when people start trying to redefine genes for their own personal gain. It is destructive to the confidence people put in the market when they invest.

Your all afraid of loosing your investment

Exactly!! and why do Clark and Joe feel it is important to be destructive to the market? Clark, why do you feel compelled to destroy instead of being creative and trying to enjoy this hobby/business? Do you get some thrill from scaring people? Please share your motivation because I just don't get it.

You would also like to keep on about Joe's involvement in Ball Python past which you have all misconstrued

Like before I stated and I am stating again, I never came here to prove anything. I just came here to tell the truth about the misrepresentation of this particular morph, Granite Hidden Gene Woma.

Really??? So you came here to slander a respected member of our community and say he was lying and then just walk away. You did not expect that you would need to defend these claims with PROOF??? I don't know what else to say about that. That one statement pretty much sums up this entire thread. There you go Matt, you wanted it summed up in one or two sentences. There it is.

 

[David Reid]

NOBODY buys a Hidden Gene Woma for the "Granite" gene, so nobody really cares about your genetic breakthrough...

Nice going though, I am glad you have shown your true colors to another generation of Ball keepers. The old guard has seen you for who you really are, a destructive menace to our community. Now, the new generation can see first hand what you are all about.

Dave

 

[MikeWilbanks]

You would also like to keep on about Joe's involvement in Ball Python past

This part of my post did not show up. Clark, buddy, this is the way the world works. When people make false claims and lie time and time again, it formulates their reputation for being trustworthy. Now you say no one should consider someone's past when decided wether they should believe that person? That is just ridiculous.

Looking at those pictures it seems to me that Joe's argument begins and ends with "who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?" Even the beginning of this post is turning into a lie. We were told there would be proof and emails. Where are they? Or was that a lie? Or should we forget about the recent past as well?

 

[MikeWilbanks]

NOBODY buys a Hidden Gene Woma for the "Granite" gene, so nobody really cares about your genetic breakthrough...

Nice going though, I am glad you have shown your true colors to another generation of Ball keepers. The old guard has seen you for who you really are, a destructive menace to our community. Now, the new generation can see first hand what you are all about.

Dave

Couldn't agree more Dave. This has been very good for the newer people to witness.

BTW, you live in Temecula? I'm jealous.

 

[bxjoon]

I could not have said it better myself Mike, me and my partner are currently investing in quite a few animals and I was pondering digging into the hgw stuff. I am very thankful for those of you that have shed some light into these particular morphs with pictures and explanations.

 

[Temporalis_Enterprises]

Are you really going to buy a Granite Hidden Gene Woma for 5K just for the Granite? I don't see what Joe and Clark are trying to prove here? I think this is the big question-

Joe and Clack, have you personally bought a Granite Hidden Gene Woma from Kevin and when you bred it, you got no Granite combos after multiple breedings? If you never bought an animal from Kevin, you have no leg to stand on. As if you even had one in the first place.

 

[David Reid]

Power "Mouth" Reptiles set out to ruin Kevin of NERD's reputation, and I think the only reputation that got ruined was theirs, and the reputation of their followers. Those of you who are defending Joe, please go look at all the old Morph King threads.

Mike, Temecula is a sweet little place to live, surprised you know of it.

Dave

 

[KelliH]

I love how everyone is talking out of their rear ends about genetics. No one has any proof on many of these genes and how they interact with each other on the genotypic level. We're only seeing the phenotypic results of these genes/their interactions and many of them have not been consistently confirmed to make any "genetic" claims. Heck, we even mapped out the whole human genome and we're still clueless on 99% of the genes and their function. We should all shut up, get a life, and enjoy the hobby.....

A-Freakin'-men! Best post of this entire ridiculous thread.

 

[radera5]

A-Freakin'-men! Best post of this entire ridiculous thread.

I disagree. Even though this thread was not brought here for this reason, when someone (Joe and Clark) are trying to sell animals, high dollar animals at that for something they are not, that's an issue. It's not right to misrepresent any animal let alone a $17,500 animal. That could be someone's lively hood.

That is what the only genetic talk in this thread was about.

I do agree that it is a ridiculous thread, started by Joe Capone though

 

[mountain top]

I disagree. Even though this thread was not brought here for this reason, when someone (Joe and Clark) are trying to sell animals, high dollar animals at that for something they are not, that's an issue. It's not right to misrepresent any animal let alone a $17,500 animal. That could be someone's lively hood.

That is what the only genetic talk in this thread was about.

I do agree that it is a ridiculous thread, started by Joe Capone though

I had to laugh when I saw you, mike wilbanks and david reid all people who I wouldn't buy from. you know maybe I miss understand the term libel and slanderous but you guys should be bordering on it pretty heavily. so let me get this straight not one of you purchased from him, so you're not unsatisfied customers. well then what are you doing flapping your lips. K. Matthews.

 

[saskia]

What are you Talking about, this is not about Mike!
And if there's 1 person I would buy from it's from Mike!! I bought a lot of Balls from a whole lot of people and Mike is 1 of the best!! Go wash your mouth boy!