Info TRUTHS ABOUT THE HIDDEN GENE WOMA THAT ARE IN DIRECT CONFLICT OF KEVIN MCCURELY(NERD)

[Gary O]

So again If I buy a HGW off of you and I buy 8 Lessers I will produce Soul Suckers with your warranty. If not you will refund me the money for the HGW.... The lessers..... and the average of 5 soul suckers(I went off an average) and sign a check for that.

Right? You will refund the money and the money I lost putting it into a project? Because if you sell me a HGW and it proves not to be one..... I lose more then just the purchase. I lose out on a year of breeding and the lose of funds. That is pretty big.

I have never seen anyone claim that when buying a HGW from Kevin.....

How much for a HGW again so we can look in how much you guarantee. I meen you will put a 30K cash Gaurantee on it or maybe a 40K guarantee?

 

[Gary O]

But hey.... you would not have to prove anything if you guys were honest from the get go. If I buy something from Kevin I just need him to tell me it is so. If I buy from Brian at BHB all I need is his word. But you guys this thread has just damaged you more.

WILL YOU WARRANTY A WHOLE PROJECT IF I INVEST IN THIS? If yours does not prove it could set me back years if not years. SO I will need something on paper saying you will guarantee a whole project and the potential of said project.

 

[Driller]

The last person who just bought the 0.1 Pastel Original Hidden Gene Woma also has a Granite Hidden Gene Woma male. They know everything I said about my Original Hidden Gene Woma is true as well as the Granite HGW being a misconstrued snake.

The Granite HGW only reproduces itself period and it is a misconstrued snake. Get over it and everyone was sold a bill of goods when they bought the Granite HGW period.

I guarantee my offspring genetically unlike anyone else because they can't period. I don't make claims that I can't back up.

You don't even see people advertising or selling Granite HGW's now because everything I said is true. If you don't like the truth I don't know what to tell you, nor do I care. I am 100% for the consumers not for you people that don't get it.

You guys are really hurting yourselves and not looking too bright out here because the people in the know who have Granite HGW's know exactly what these are. They know they the Original Hidden Gene Woma and most want these animals really bad.

I am not the one who misrepresented my animals and say " I don't know what to tell you". I back everything up with a Guarantee unlike everyone else. Get over it. LOL

Joe at PHR

Wrong again. I found one for sale yesterday listed on these very classifieds from a breeder I have purchased from in the past. He also still has a good name on these forums and in this hobby. I'm actually waiting on his pay pal info right now so I can send out the cash. Also I notice you are in Enterprise, AL (if you were indeed truthful about that) where I happen to drill a lot of wells. If you want next time I am over that way I can bring a woma and show you the difference.

 

[Snake-Queen]

The last person who just bought the 0.1 Pastel Original Hidden Gene Woma also has a Granite Hidden Gene Woma male. They know everything I said about my Original Hidden Gene Woma is true as well as the Granite HGW being a misconstrued snake.

The Granite HGW only reproduces itself period and it is a misconstrued snake. Get over it and everyone was sold a bill of goods when they bought the Granite HGW period.

I guarantee my offspring genetically unlike anyone else because they can't period. I don't make claims that I can't back up.

You don't even see people advertising or selling Granite HGW's now because everything I said is true. If you don't like the truth I don't know what to tell you, nor do I care. I am 100% for the consumers not for you people that don't get it.

You guys are really hurting yourselves and not looking too bright out here because the people in the know who have Granite HGW's know exactly what these are. They know they the Original Hidden Gene Woma and most want these animals really bad.

I am not the one who misrepresented my animals and say " I don't know what to tell you". I back everything up with a Guarantee unlike everyone else. Get over it. LOL

Joe at PHR

Can someone explain to me what the heck the bolded sentence means?

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

Can someone explain to me what the heck the bolded sentence means?

Nope...least of all Joe and Clark LOL

 

[Ghi Reptiles]

Can someone explain to me what the heck the bolded sentence means?

Sure...Kevin bred his hidden gene woma female to a really nice looking granite male. Some of the babies showed the granite traits along with the hidden gene woma traits. So we have hidden gene womas and hidden gene woma granites. Joe is claiming that all hidden gene womas have the granite trait in them no matter what and that it's just a characteristic of the hidden gene woma. In other words Joe claims that the hidden gene woma and granite can't be separated. I have produced 3 obvious granites from hidden gene woma breedings. This past season I also held back two enchi womas and an enchiferno that show no granite markings at all.

Here are the enchi womas with no 'spot' behind the head that's a sign that Kevin's line of granite is present:

Now...if I breed one of these enchi womas to a normal female and I get woma granites I would give thought to the idea that the granite markers can sometimes be hidden in a normal hidden gene woma.

 

[Lucille]

I guarantee my offspring genetically

So, just for fun I went to the Power House Reptiles site and looked around.
They have a section 'terms' and I clicked on it, because that is where I would expect to find the wording of genetic guarantees (see above quote). I wanted to see just what all might be included in such a guarantee- the cost of the critter, the lost profits for the year if the genetics were not as advertised, etc.

I found no genetic guarantees at all. Here, in its entirety, is the published TOS. BTW, it was copied and pasted. The misspellings are theirs:





Terms



Animals may be reserved with a 20% deposit. Deposits are non-refundable, unless we are unable to provide the animals, which were reserved.

Live arrival is guaranteed. Domestic shipments are sent by Fedex to your door. In weather extremes or at the request of our customers animals will be shipped to the nearest Fed Ex hub. PayPal (also credit card payments through Paypal), cashiers check, personal check, money order, or wire transfer are acceptable payments on domestic orders.

For International Orders please check with your local government for permits you may need to import reptiles. Payment for International sales must be made by international bank check drawn on a U.S. bank, Credit Card via Paypal or by wire transfer. Air freight charges and permit fees must be paid in advance on international orders

All shipping when it comes to tempratures are at the disgression of PHR. It is all about the animals safety.

Best Regards,
Joe Capone III

From what I see, the only guarantee is live arrival.

 

[SERPENTS DEN]

So again If I buy a HGW off of you and I buy 8 Lessers I will produce Soul Suckers with your warranty. If not you will refund me the money for the HGW.... The lessers..... and the average of 5 soul suckers(I went off an average) and sign a check for that.

Right? You will refund the money and the money I lost putting it into a project? Because if you sell me a HGW and it proves not to be one..... I lose more then just the purchase. I lose out on a year of breeding and the lose of funds. That is pretty big.

I have never seen anyone claim that when buying a HGW from Kevin.....

How much for a HGW again so we can look in how much you guarantee. I meen you will put a 30K cash Gaurantee on it or maybe a 40K guarantee?

What I think Joe and Clark are saying is that they will guarantee you to produce Womas just like the one they proclaims is a HGW

As far as hatching Soul Suckers well those too will look like the normal Woma combos. Joe and Clark will claim it's because it doesn't have the Granite attached to it so basically whoever gets scammed will have to accept they are beat and forget about any kind of refund.


Matt those Enchi Womas are smoking and look at that they don't appear to have the granite gene.

 

[SERPENTS DEN]

0.1 MOJAVE WASHOUT "THE REAL DEAL" FULL DISCLOSURE GENETIC GUARANTEE PROVIDED!!!!

Another PHR scam.

 

[SERPENTS DEN]

Here's a picture of my Pastave het Pied for comparison which blows away PHR words of BS.

 

[Snake-Queen]

Sure...Kevin bred his hidden gene woma female to a really nice looking granite male. Some of the babies showed the granite traits along with the hidden gene woma traits. So we have hidden gene womas and hidden gene woma granites. Joe is claiming that all hidden gene womas have the granite trait in them no matter what and that it's just a characteristic of the hidden gene woma. In other words Joe claims that the hidden gene woma and granite can't be separated. I have produced 3 obvious granites from hidden gene woma breedings. This past season I also held back two enchi womas and an enchiferno that show no granite markings at all.

Here are the enchi womas with no 'spot' behind the head that's a sign that Kevin's line of granite is present:

Now...if I breed one of these enchi womas to a normal female and I get woma granites I would give thought to the idea that the granite markers can sometimes be hidden in a normal hidden gene woma.

Thank you!!

So, essentially Joe & Clark are saying that Kevin's hgw are not hgw at all, but granite hgw & that the granite is what is making the smokin' hot combos. Which is not correct or not proven to be true; as the pictures you have posted show hgw combos that do not have the tell tale sign of the granite gene.

In other words, they are severely misinformed or delusional.

 

[bxjoon]

My 2 mojo's look very similiar to PHR's and they are normals

 

[HerpVenue]

I guarantee my offspring genetically unlike anyone else because they can't period. I don't make claims that I can't back up.

Might want to rephrase that. I know many who guarantee their offspring genetically.

You don't even see people advertising or selling Granite HGW's now because everything I said is true.

That was a reach. Likewise, I don't see a lot of Ghi for sale. But I don't think it has anything to do with you. I think it has to do with demand. I have only seen one Banana mix for sale. That has nothing to do with you as well.

You guys are really hurting yourselves and not looking too bright out here because the people in the know who have Granite HGW's know exactly what these are. They know they the Original Hidden Gene Woma and most want these animals really bad.

Actually some of the people who are "in the know" and who have these animals have already chimed in. They know what they have and they KNOW the demand for it. And they have told you that your animals are NOT HGW. So I do not see what your point is.

 

[bxjoon]

 

[David Reid]

I wonder what happens if Joe is wrong. I think everyone without an agenda thinks his Woma is a Woma. What if we are right, and no HGW's are produced by people that have purchased his Womas? How can you be all about your customer then? How can you call your snake the Original HGW? I would like to see, in writing, what is going to happen if your customers are not satisfied that they have produced HGW's (one's EVERYONE is in agreement on)?

 

[Get Sum]

I wonder what happens if Joe is wrong. I think everyone without an agenda thinks his Woma is a Woma. What if we are right, and no HGW's are produced by people that have purchased his Womas? How can you be all about your customer then? How can you call your snake the Original HGW? I would like to see, in writing, what is going to happen if your customers are not satisfied that they have produced HGW's (one's EVERYONE is in agreement on)?

You have a very good and Valid point there David. From my understanding, Joe's snake is neither a GHGW nor a regular Woma, nor does the original animal from Steve Kind look like Nerd's GHGW or a regular Woma. ( I know many have posted their opions on this issue, well here is mine; They look like three (3) completely different mutations. I do not think the combos Clark makes from Joe's animal will look Identical to kevin's crosses, nor do I think they will look anything like Normal Woma crosses either.

I think future breeding and the results of additional clutch offspring (this season) will tell the true tale and should answer several questions that have been raised on this thread.

I am gonna take the same statement and turn it around a bit, "I wonder what will happen if Joe and Clark are right and their crosses look completely different from regular woma crosses?

I think the horse on this thread died about 30 pages ago from being beaten to death. However, I honestly feel the game has really just begun. (BUT) should only continue after additional clutches from their original pewter male start hatching out.

Again, I have seen and produced my share of regular womas and regular woma crosses. The picture of the animal Joe posted (67 times) JK. Is not just a regular woma IMO.

 

[Dro B]

I'm not done reading this thread so if these things have already been posted please excuse it, but these animals are not hgws. they all look like odd spider combos and the reason they look different is because regular womas make things look a little different.Also, kevin HAS sold hgw's without granite in the past and has noted it in the ads and you could clearly still tell they were hgw's. ALSO- Kevin HAS sold super granite hidden gene womas before and they were very different from hgw and granite hgw's, a lot darker. The reason kevins website has both genes under the(collection) woma section is because he hasnt updated it since he proved them to be 2 different genes. I dont know how this could have been blown so far out of proportion but its rediculous, and also, I beleive kevin also has hgw pewters and sterlings on his site they are just not labeled.(2010 hatchling section i beleive).

 

[Driller]

Sorry that was a letter from Joe he emailed me to copy and paste on the BOI as he is away on vacation in Florida. I forgot to take his name away from it and add mine. Sorry Rich.

Clark Tucker
PHR

Really dude? Bless your sweet mothers heart for not drowning you as a baby. He took the time to get out his laptop and type that up while he was in Florida livin the dream and couldn't finish it up by posting it himself? Just seems like lie after lie after lie from you and your cousin.

 

[DemmBalls]

Really dude? Bless your sweet mothers heart for not drowning you as a baby. He took the time to get out his laptop and type that up while he was in Florida livin the dream and couldn't finish it up by posting it himself? Just seems like lie after lie after lie from you and your cousin.

OMG....

Staying on topic....I agree with you. Why type that BS and not take 30 extra seconds to post it himself? Seems like more lies...PERIOD!

 

[Ghi Reptiles]

I am gonna take the same statement and turn it around a bit, "I wonder what will happen if Joe and Clark are right and their crosses look completely different from regular woma crosses?

Well the crosses they have already produced or are in possession of and have posted photos of are indeed normal woma crosses (case in point...the pewter woma is identical to BHB's pewter woma...as the photos have shown). So you are seeing what has already happened...breeders of HGWs and non breeders of HGWs that have some common sense see they are normal woma crosses.

Honestly...if the woma in question or the crosses actually had the HGW gene in them the thread wouldn't have gone on this long...do you think?