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TW International Wyatt in Texas

Okay, Randy, I concede-LOL! I don't know how to get you to see that I agree with most of your post(s). :)

I guess it wasn't the questions asked so much as the perceived (mine) way they were asked. The folks who posted the questions have cleared that up for me.

While we all can be seen to have a differing opinion , we are all in agreement on the fact that we want to see what happens with Jen's tests and I, for one, hope she can get a resolution and some sort of closure for herself and her pets.

Now, get back to irritating Chuck for a while! **Big Stinkin' Grin** :reddevil:
 
I do wonder though... If half the test and research that she list in her blog is to ever be done it is going to require some big bucks. Now I get the impression that Jen isn't made of money, has anyone thought of trying to help her out here???

Maggie that's easy just tell Chuck that he's cute, he gets irritated every time I say that to him, or at least I think it irritates him or... Randy
 
Randy, many of us who you seem to think are giving Jen a "pass" have conceded that it is indeed very possible that the virus didn't come from Wyatt.....yet Jen's vet seems to think that it IS possible (I never claim to know more than a vet, lol). So some of us have taken the sit and wait stance....see what all of the rest of the vet reports come back looking like, and make our decisions from there. While I wait, I've been doing a good amount of research into Rhabdoviridae, and found some really interesting (and kind of scary) information, especially in some of the variants found in fish species. I'm looking for information, instead of assuming. I KNOW I don't know everything about viruses...and while I can go from common knowledge about them, it doesn't do me much good if this is something as of yet pretty darn new and unknown, other than a few isolated cases that have done fairly well in covering it up

Words and thoughts are being twisted and taken out of context all over the place.....and it makes for a lot of confusion everywhere. Jen admitted she probably posted prematurely, is there a point to telling her so over and over and over? I think she's got the point. She admitted that her quarantine isn't good....she's got the point there too. She has answered the question about the animal with an RI several times....are you expecting a different answer the 58th time you ask her? And losing animals....all of us handle things in different ways. You can maybe "just deal with it", and move on, but some of us do not. Not to give any kind of "pass", but not everyone is Mr. Tough Guy and can just move on as usual. And I don't believe anyone else is giving her a "pass" either. Some of just know we can't be 100% clinical when we lose an animal. It doesn't excuse mistakes, but it does help to understand why those mistakes were made.

The vet's reports, when posted, will be our final answers....if we get any good answers.
 
ravensgait said:
I do wonder though... If half the test and research that she list in her blog is to ever be done it is going to require some big bucks. Now I get the impression that Jen isn't made of money, has anyone thought of trying to help her out here???
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Randy, have you read her other post about all of this on the BP forum, and read her blog? There is already a fund set up through her vet to do so.
 
I think someone mentioned sending donations in the other thread she has going in the Ball Python Forum...I'll have to look.

From what I have read it's just in the talking stages right now. I would contribute, anyone else?



BTW, I wouldn't tell Chuck he's cute if I were you, he just might like it! :D
 
Don't visit BP net only looked at the thread(s) that were linked or mentioned here.

Cat, it has nothing to do with moving on or being tough or uncaring when your animal dies.. It has to do with knowing what your talking about before trashing someones reputation. And she still insist that it came from Damion and I say there is no way in Hell they could come up with that. If my Vet told me BS like that I'd be looking for a new Vet because there is no way this Vet could Know that with any certainty. Hell he shouldn't even suggest he knows where it came from until he can get all the test results and the research results from live animal test ETC ETC. If there is any verifiable info in the BP net thread IE something posted by a Vet and not second hand can you send me a link.. Randy
 
I just got a phone call informing me that Wes gave me some warning points.

I've been here five years and had a clean record of no warning points until now. Now that it's all been taken away, what ever will I do with my life? Having suicidal thoughts... Can't sleep... Thinking of ending it all... I just can't go on with three warning points...

BryonsBoas said:
That would be because he's mod.
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Yeah, but since I don't "hang out" on the BOI like a lot of you do, I didn't know that Wes was a man of such importance and authority. I didn't see "Moderator" under his name, so I just assumed he was a regular human like me.

Maybe I should start addressing him as Captain Pollock.
 
ravensgait said:
IE she says she doesn't have any snakes from Texas yet brought the animals she has up from Texas when she moved.
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The pathologist specifically stated that "they have documented proof that this virus originates in collections in Texas". Therefore that would mean that in order to get the virus, you have to buy a snake from one of those infected collections. I have never bought a snake from anyone in Texas except Wyatt. I don't buy animals locally -- even Wyatt's first snake had to be shipped to me, and I was 2 hours south of him -- I didn't go get it. I have never bought a snake from anyone in Wisconsin either -- only my very first ball python almost 4 years ago. I don't have the time to go to local shows and breeders. Just because I lived in Texas doesn't mean squat -- my snakes just magically contracted some virus from my house, held onto it for the year we were down there, then the year we've been in Wisconsin, then all of a sudden it makes a whole bunch of my snakes sick (yet none of the 6 that had lived in Texas have gotten sick)? I'm sorry, but that's just as far fetched and ridiculous as some virus living in my carpet for 7 months then infecting a whole bunch of snakes all at the same time. Considering that I hatched 16 babies this summer, don't you think that if I had this virus already in my collection that it would have hit them immediately and killed them considering how babies have little to no immune system? But no, they all lived and did great. Amazon was the only one I kept back, and she ate wonderfully, grew well, and didn't get sick for 2 months after the first ones showed symptoms. Then all of a sudden she up and dies in a matter of minutes. If it hit her that quickly and suddenly, I think she would have died a heck of a lot sooner if it was here before now.
 
ravensgait said:
Don't visit BP net only looked at the thread(s) that were linked or mentioned here.

Cat, it has nothing to do with moving on or being tough or uncaring when your animal dies.. It has to do with knowing what your talking about before trashing someones reputation. And she still insist that it came from Damion and I say there is no way in Hell they could come up with that. If my Vet told me BS like that I'd be looking for a new Vet because there is no way this Vet could Know that with any certainty. Hell he shouldn't even suggest he knows where it came from until he can get all the test results and the research results from live animal test ETC ETC. If there is any verifiable info in the BP net thread IE something posted by a Vet and not second hand can you send me a link.. Randy
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I don't go to BP.net either, the information about the fund to help defray the vet costs on the BP forum here.

And as I said.....Jen admitted she posted prematurely, she admitted she was wrong in that respect. What the hell else can she say? She cannot undo that fact. What good will it do to keep bashing her about it?

Tests are being sent to many areas of the country, not just one vet, as well as those other vets being consulted before having tests sent to them....and some are vets who suspect they have dealt with this virus before. That should give them some clue as to what they are saying. If you know more than these vets, by all means I'd love to hear your expert diagnosis. I'm not saying I am certain that it did (or did not) come from Wyatt by any means....I'm just saying that I'm not going to judge based on what "everyone" supposedly thinks they know as fact. I'm waiting for the actual experts opinions. Yes, in writing.

ravensgait said:
If there is any verifiable info in the BP net thread IE something posted by a Vet and not second hand can you send me a link.. Randy
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And again, this is why I keep saying we may as well WAIT TIL THERE IS VERIFIABLE INFO FROM A VET to continue this thread, as we aren't going to come up with any new answers.
 
Why should I find a new vet? This vet specializes in reptiles -- has been his entire career (as has his partner at the clinic, Dr. Ericka Lukas). He is a lab professor at the UW School of Veterinary Medicine (where he graduated), an instructor at MATC for their vet technician course, and used to work as a Dept. of Homeland Security veterinarian. Since I first contacted him, he has been conferring with other herp vets all over the country, various national veterinary laboratories and reptile pathologists/virologists, who are the ones giving him this information -- and considering that he specifically took a semester of virology during his schooling, he understands full-well what they are discussing with him and has a better grasp on it than I would trust anyone here to have. It isn't like this is just another case for him -- he has been researching this from one end to the other, asking for opinions from colleagues in his profession and his professors at school. He has been making calls, reading books, trying to find what he can online, and looking through past cases if anything comes up that is related. He has everyone else at the clinic working on it as well -- I walk in there and every single staff member talks to me about it and tells me what they've found. He isn't pulling his opinions and facts out of his rear end -- he's basing them on a hell of a lot of research and what he has found with my animals so far. He is a damn good vet and I'm lucky to have him and his staff working so hard to get this illness nailed down, researched, and hopefully find a cure.
 
ajc said:
I didn't see "Moderator" under his name, so I just assumed he was a regular human like me.
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You know...Anthony brings up a very valid point. How can someone be held accountable for "Antagonism of a Moderator" when there is no title or other indication that the person is a moderator? That's not really fair...
 
There, there...

ajc said:
I just got a phone call informing me that Wes gave me some warning points.

I've been here five years and had a clean record of no warning points until now. Now that it's all been taken away, what ever will I do with my life? Having suicidal thoughts... Can't sleep... Thinking of ending it all... I just can't go on with three warning points...
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It's okay Anthony, take a deep breath... I just got done baking chocolate chip cookies...here, they're still warm...there, now don't you feel better?! :)
 
Dr Owens said:
You know...Anthony brings up a very valid point. How can someone be held accountable for "Antagonism of a Moderator" when there is no title or other indication that the person is a moderator? That's not really fair...
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I was thinking that myself just the other day, then I figured it was "common knowledge" that those who had a certain color coin under their name had that capability, whether they use it or not. .

I didn't know until I was browsing the forums and noticed the Mods forum, something I've never been able to see before. Kinda freaked me out at first! Almost told Rich there was a glitch in the matrix until I did some more reading.

There's no "sticky" post anywhere, Jay?
 
LakesideBoas said:
There's no "sticky" post anywhere, Jay?
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Honestly, I'm not sure. However, I really think that if we're going to hold people accountable for "Antagonizing a Mod" then it needs to be somewhat clear that the person is in fact a mod.

However, this is really a discussion that should probably take place in the mod forum...and it's definitely not the topic at hand here...it just came up here when Wes warned Anthony, and based on Anthony's reaction, "who are you to tell me?" I think that it's fairly evident that Anthony didn't know that Wes was a mod.

And for the record...
Chuck,
Anthony is not "a schmuck."

And,

Wes,
You took issue in the past with a certain someone calling you Wesley because that wasn't the name that you go by. Neither does Anthony go by "Tony."

You guys may not know him, but Anthony's a first class guy, and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend him as a good, honest person to do business with...he is definitely a "Good Guy." What do you say you guys give him a break, eh? ;)

Oh yeah...and Anthony, what do you say we try not to piss off the inmates? LOL! ;) :D
 
Dr Owens said:
Oh yeah...and Anthony, what do you say we try not to piss off the inmates? LOL! ;) :D
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OK, OK, I'll be good.

Say, did you hear the one about the two pollocks that walked into a bar?
 
ajc said:
I just got a phone call informing me that Wes gave me some warning points.

I've been here five years and had a clean record of no warning points until now. Now that it's all been taken away, what ever will I do with my life? Having suicidal thoughts... Can't sleep... Thinking of ending it all... I just can't go on with three warning points...


Yeah, but since I don't "hang out" on the BOI like a lot of you do, I didn't know that Wes was a man of such importance and authority. I didn't see "Moderator" under his name, so I just assumed he was a regular human like me.

Maybe I should start addressing him as Captain Pollock.
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Wes Pollock is a psychopath in my opinion. Others have sent me e-mails describing him with the term "nut-job" in them.
 
brucestephenson said:
Wes Pollock is a psychopath in my opinion. Others have sent me e-mails describing him with the term "nut-job" in them.
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Isn't it a wonderful thing then that nobody asked your opinion. Let's get back to calling each other names, bashing Wyatt and verbally abusing Jen. Sure is a lot more fun than listening to you whine about Wes.

Carry on, and may the "Farce" be with you...
 
Dr Owens said:
You guys may not know him, but Anthony's a first class guy, and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend him as a good, honest person to do business with...he is definitely a "Good Guy." What do you say you guys give him a break, eh? ;)
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I can vouch for Anthony also. I have spoken with him several times over the years and done business with him. He has produced one of the few CBB clutches of Moluccan Pythons ever in the US. That he disagrees with many of us about Wyatt doesn't make him a bad guy.




brucestephenson said:
Wes Pollock is a psychopath in my opinion. Others have sent me e-mails describing him with the term "nut-job" in them.
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Bruce, we are talking about Wes as a moderator and you are about an inch short of antagonizing a moderator and receiving a warning for it. As for your "others" comment, that is not allowed on the BOI. Name some names. Your friend Ed Clark can't protect you anymore.
 
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