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[Fangthane]

Well, the vague "not my problem" tone is about all one could realistically expect in such a situation. His platitude about justice and the idea that it really has anything to do with who has the most righteous claim is pretty laughable. I suspect he's well aware of just how important deep pockets are to the pursuit of justice; and just how deep Ty Park's pockets are. I guess there'd be no real incentive for him to care enough to at least make a definitive statement about who he believes to be right; especially if it could possibly impact the flow of donations into his organization's coffers. Sometimes, it's just hard not to lament the fact that the world has become a place where making sure one's own ass is covered is the main consideration.

If you're in a financial position to continue pursuing this legally, I'd love to see you do so. I have trouble believing that whatever weak semantic arguments he may try to hide behind will trump how clearly it seems that he refused to honor the contractual obligations from his raffle. His terms outlined a binary proposition and you didn't receive either of the two possible outcomes for a winning ticket. I've been actively looking for it, but I just can't really see any gray area in the whole situation.

 

[Dro B]

Hey Michelle, just out of curiosity, if he did say he'd refund you the $500 and donate the rest to charity is it something youd be willing to do? I do beleive this is a clear case of "I have it, and I COULD give it, but I just don't want her to have it". I think you should strongly consider this because as I'm sure you've discovered by now lawsuits are very expensive and if you lose, you don't get anything, and if you have done research and think you have a strong chance of only getting your $500 back you may want to consider the option, as I'm 99.9% certain he would agree to it. I beleive he's damaged his reputation permanently here, the worst type of businessman is the type who doesn't honor thier word, and then decides that because you "said something bad" about him, he somehow no longer owes you what he owes you. It shows other people that if they do move forward on a deal and something goes wrong, there's enough reason to beleive they may never see thier money again, and with thus guy it would be too much money for the average person to gamble with. There are over a dozen breeders who have otherwise impeccable reputations who I will never buy from for this reason, because they made 1 mistake, slacked off on making it right, and took the old " bag guy thread makes us even" stance. You are definitely 100% right and 100% owed the tegu or $3000, but as time goes on maybe youd want to consider proposing that type of deal because at the end of the day I do beleive that the fact he's donated so much does show he is a good person who's made the mistake of letting his ego get in the way in a situation he created. I'm not so much asking for you to answer the question to me personally, but to simply ask yourself so if the time comes and a lawer tells you the odd aren't in your favor, that you may decide to propose something like this for the simple fact that at least the money you won't get will still go to a good cause.

 

[Sugarhedgie]

Q

Hey Michelle, just out of curiosity, if he did say he'd refund you the $500 and donate the rest to charity is it something youd be willing to do? I do beleive this is a clear case of "I have it, and I COULD give it, but I just don't want her to have it". I think you should strongly consider this because as I'm sure you've discovered by now lawsuits are very expensive and if you lose, you don't get anything, and if you have done research and think you have a strong chance of only getting your $500 back you may want to consider the option, as I'm 99.9% certain he would agree to it. I beleive he's damaged his reputation permanently here, the worst type of businessman is the type who doesn't honor thier word, and then decides that because you "said something bad" about him, he somehow no longer owes you what he owes you. It shows other people that if they do move forward on a deal and something goes wrong, there's enough reason to beleive they may never see thier money again, and with thus guy it would be too much money for the average person to gamble with. There are over a dozen breeders who have otherwise impeccable reputations who I will never buy from for this reason, because they made 1 mistake, slacked off on making it right, and took the old " bag guy thread makes us even" stance. You are definitely 100% right and 100% owed the tegu or $3000, but as time goes on maybe youd want to consider proposing that type of deal because at the end of the day I do beleive that the fact he's donated so much does show he is a good person who's made the mistake of letting his ego get in the way in a situation he created. I'm not so much asking for you to answer the question to me personally, but to simply ask yourself so if the time comes and a lawer tells you the odd aren't in your favor, that you may decide to propose something like this for the simple fact that at least the money you won't get will still go to a good cause.

I debated on weather to comment on this or not but here it goes.
I hear what you are saying but I don't believe that is fair to
Me in this situation.
Don't get me wrong. I myself donate thousands of dollars to sugar glider rescues and sg research study's But I don't flaunt it , require recognition or gloat about it.
My donation to the IRCF was the 400 I paid for the raffle tickets for the tegu that I never even received.
asking ty for a $500 refund at this point and putting my name on a donation that ty has already received recognition and praise for IMO is not an acceptable resolution to this.
IRCF has received according to ty $8,510 for the lizard that he claimed was mine.

Because of the different state laws I know that in mass I will get at least the 500 back. I am still in the process of gathering the info for perusing this in Fl. So I don't even know what the possible outcomes may or may not be yet.

Ty may be a generous donator because he is a multimillionaire and that is great and appliudable but his attitude really stinks.
He is a bully. He is very disrespectful if things don't go his way or should I say if they don't go the way he wants them to go.
He is an just an average person and no better than anyone of us.

If he is such a great person and so respectable I wouldn't have had to post on here to start with I would have been taking exceptional care of an amazing animal but instead I an being forced to chase him to try and get what he promised me.

 

[franktiles]

What most people are missing is the fact that Ty admits everything she said he did in his single reply post and gives very little conscern about what she is saying is true?

But it may be there is an even bigger problem being hidden from view?

Realise, as a business man, he has money allotted for certain things and he alludes to this fact in one of the posts as to his expenditures towards this endeavor was "fullfilled" and thus was unwilling to put any more money towards it. This may have more to do with the circumstances than most are aware of as any accountant knows throwing money from here to there can get you in trouble with the IRS. So it's possible that sending her "personal" funds instead of a lizard may be putting himself at risk in this manner as to its justification. He may have bit off more than he can chew by suggesting in this non-profit endeavor to offer personal money made outside of that tax blanket, not realising at the time the payout was made, that it would be outside the rules of a non-profit raffle.

 

[Sugarhedgie]

What most people are missing is the fact that Ty admits everything she said he did in his single reply post and gives very little conscern about what she is saying is true?

But it may be there is an even bigger problem being hidden from view?

Realise, as a business man, he has money allotted for certain things and he alludes to this fact in one of the posts as to his expenditures towards this endeavor was "fullfilled" and thus was unwilling to put any more money towards it. This may have more to do with the circumstances than most are aware of as any accountant knows throwing money from here to there can get you in trouble with the IRS. So it's possible that sending her "personal" funds instead of a lizard may be putting himself at risk in this manner as to its justification. He may have bit off more than he can chew by suggesting in this non-profit endeavor to offer personal money made outside of that tax blanket, not realising at the time the payout was made, that it would be outside the rules of a non-profit raffle.

giving me a t+ albino that he produced would be a write off wouldn't it? if so then there would be no risk again IF stayed true to his word and sent me the tegu. instead he raffled it off again. it just doesn't sit well with me

 

[Fangthane]

But it may be there is an even bigger problem being hidden from view?

Even if any possible accounting issues are applicable to this situation, it really doesn't change a thing. By rights, it should be entirely his problem to deal with, since he set the stage and made all the meaningful decisions that brought them to where the situation currently stands; he's had all the power and chose to wield it with an iron fist. I don't think an honorable person would be so willing to let his problem become someone else's.

Simon,

I just got wind of this post and decided to read it. It's sad that you have lost your money...but more than that, you have lost time and put in so much effort...as a gentleman...to resolve this in a rightful way. I have fallen in love with tegus and now for the second year, I have produced tegus and hope to produce about 200 this year. As a businessman, I would never take money upfront for something that hasn't even hatched. I am really impressed with you and Simon! Please PM me so that we can discuss your "refund."

Although I can't help getting a little chuckle about the irony of the part in bold type, I just wonder what the hell happened to the guy who felt strongly enough about what's right to step in and help out a total stranger who, coincidentally, got shafted by a different egomaniac. I think there are definitely some unflattering emergent similarities between Ty Park and the villain in that particular situation.

 

[Snakesatsunset]

There is no such thing as t- albino blue tegu. ALL ALBINO BLUE TEGUS are t+ just lighter and darker forms of the same mutation.....both hatch from the same clutches....

 

[Sugarhedgie]

There is no such thing as t- albino blue tegu. ALL ALBINO BLUE TEGUS are t+ just lighter and darker forms of the same mutation.....both hatch from the same clutches....

at first i thought an albino blue was different than an albino purple. then i realized though the same the only difference is basically the color or look (purple is darker)
on july 31 and aug 16, after ty kept telling me that he did not produce any albimo blues he only produced the albino purples..and that "albino which i owe you is $2,500 purple are $5,000"
ty labled them as an T- albino blue ($2,500. and a T+ albino purple $5,000 (the lighter one "blue" is a "T-" and the darker one "purple" is a "T+")

this is what i thought and maybe i am wrong but either way his wordage on the march 10th raffle terms was "for 2 albino tegus"
he only produced the purples.
i asked him if he could send me a purple. he refused because he sells those for $5,000 so he told me he was going to pick one up from another breeder that he is paying for it so i could have one.
i asked him if he could just pay me instead because i thought it was for one he produced and i told him that i dont know how i feel getting one from another breeder. i asked him fr the breeders info and he refused to give me that as well as he wouldn't send me any pics of the tegu he said he was going to send me

Amelanistic = does not have the pigment named melanin. Melanin produces the black and brown colors. An amelanistic reptile could still have red, yellow, blue, and white colors because they are not produced by melanin-based pigments.

Albino = has less than the normal amount of a pigment. It is often synonymous with amelanistic. But depending on useage, it could apply to a non-melanin-based pigment (albino plants have no chlorophyll) or to an animal with some melanin-based pigment.

T-.....Tyrosinase negative albino = an animal that lacks melanin because it cannot make tyrosinase. Tyrosinase is an enzyme that catalyses the first two steps of the multistep conversion of an amino acid named tyrosine into melanin.

T+....Tyrosinase positive albino = an animal that can make tyrosinase but cannot produce melanin. Some tyrosinase positive albinos look like tyrosinase negative albinos, and some have some melanin. There are a variety of causes that produce tyrosinase positive albinos

 

[Lucille]

Michelle when you sent me the message that you said John Bins sent you, tucked in there was a phrase that concerned me:
"it's an issue between you and Ty, not by bystanders involving themselves in other people's business"

There are some experienced and perceptive people here, that have given their take on this situation. You did try to work this out between you and Ty first, all it seems to have gotten you is some judgmental quotes from Ty castigating you for being greedy, for having the courage to stand up and insist on the original deal he offered.

I am concerned that some people may put pressure on you to isolate yourself away from those who would help you. I hope that you will not let that happen.

 

[Sugarhedgie]

Michelle when you sent me the message that you said John Bins sent you, tucked in there was a phrase that concerned me:
"it's an issue between you and Ty, not by bystanders involving themselves in other people's business"

There are some experienced and perceptive people here, that have given their take on this situation. You did try to work this out between you and Ty first, all it seems to have gotten you is some judgmental quotes from Ty castigating you for being greedy, for having the courage to stand up and insist on the original deal he offered.

I am concerned that some people may put pressure on you to isolate yourself away from those who would help you. I hope that you will not let that happen.

thank you.
although this has been physically and emotionally draining on me i am not easily bullied and i stand up for what is right, no one will deter me from trying to get what was rightfully mine!!!!
i wish that it hadn't come to this.
at times i have been taken advantage of ad bullied in the sugar glider community, i didn't blast them on fb or talk to them in an unprofessional way EVER!!!!
i didn't want to go public with this all on here because i know it doesn't take a lot to ruin someones reputation, he is human and humans make mistakes, i get it but i dont think this was only a "mistake". he was not forthcoming with truths, and he was unfair and deceptive.
he tried to use his I'm the reptile guru and I'm better than you attitude to pressure me into accepting a tegu from another and undisclosed breeder ( later finding out that he couldn't even get them from the undisclosed source).i dod NOT enter this raffle to win an albino tegu from an undisclosed source. i entered to win an albino tegu produced by ty, or the money he promised.

i am not greedy. i am not uneducated, i am not a thankless person, i am not a poor lowlife and i didn't "NEED" the money. ( i was owed it)
he should apologize for his actions and stop talking to people like they are beneath him.

there was no working with him after he started belittling me , calling me names and making public posts encouraging his followers to do the same.
the way he has acted towards me is IMO is just UNACCEPTABLE!!!!!! I've seen him do it to other people like the person who called him "bud" and have seen him do it to people who question his methods on raising reptiles, (these are all on his own page)

i did NOT come here to make people hate him or try to ruin his rep, i came here hoping that he would change his mind and do the right thing, and i felt that people should be warned and people need to very careful when entering into any raffles (legal or not) and dealing with ty.
if he did this to me he WILL do it to others.


here are a few pics of my tegus
and 2 of my pied sugar gliders to lighten up the mood

 

[Untaimed]

This is really disappointing. I was looking forward to doing business with Ty in the near future. But after reading the reply he wrote addressing this issue, there is no way I would trust that I would be treated fairly if something went wrong or that I would receive anything at all. If someone can't keep the terms that they themselves set AND acts as unprofessionally/arrogant as Ty did here, they aren't worth my business. I'm really sorry Michelle, this situation is ridiculous & the fact that he can in any way justify what he's doing is such a disappointment. I hope he comes to his senses and makes this right with you.

 

[pandidannycn]

Here is mine.

He offered an albino blue tegu to each of the winners of a raffle and $3k to each winner if he did not produce any. He claimed at one point not to have produced any and would procure one from someone else's stock. The trouble is that the people were not buying tickets for someone else's stock. They were buying tickets for chances to win his stock. He did not, according to some of the messages, produce said stock.

The wording was specific. As it is stated, it looks like she is owed $3k. It was either one of his albino tegus he produced or $3k. No tegus produced? $3k. He did not have a third option in the posting of the contest promising that said he would roll on down to a fellow vendor's place in order to procure a replacement from another's stock. If he had, sure, he would have had the option of offering that. That is not how it was outlined, however, and how it was outlined was by his own hands.

He did not say that if he could not procure them that he would then pay $3k. He said if that if he did not produce them that he would pay $3k. According to him in some messages, he did not produce some. In other messages, it looks like he claimed he did produce some and was keeping them. Both of those claims cannot be simultaneously true, but that is neither here nor there since neither version of the prize was given to one of the winners of the contest. She paid $400 in chances and fortune favored her in the winning outcome. What has been promised by the terms of the contest has failed to be delivered.

Whether he "feels" she was greedy or not, she complied with his terms that he designed and he is the one who appears to be reneging on the agreement he built.

The only person being taken advantage of is the person who won under the terms set and has not received the prize or its cash alternative as outlined by the person who created the raffle in the first place.

The purpose of the raffle and all of the rest are separate matters. He could be pulling puppies out of fires all day long, but it looks like he owes this person $3k unless there is something more and critically damning to her argument that is not being presented.

I have bought from Ty before and, while there was an error in the order, he fixed it quickly and I was pleased with the transaction and animals received. That said, this is a situation he made. His words from the first screen shot are attached. If he abides by those words, then he will be a man of his word. If he does not deliver the $3k, then he is not abiding by his own words.

Same as mine

 

[pandidannycn]

" I decided also that I would send her the tegu that I produced (T+ albino) since her contention was that she wanted one that I produced and not by someone else, but I didn't communicate that with her to the end"

wtf..lol...

 

[Sugarhedgie]

i tried to make an album with the post and the comments ty made on his page on oct 9.
let me know if you cant open it

https://photos.shutterfly.com/album/10111510154

 

[Fangthane]

let me know if you cant open it

Looks like it requires an account to view.

 

[Sugarhedgie]

Looks like it requires an account to view.

how can i share 50 photos lol