Inquiry Underground Reptiles: Sick animal inquiry?

[tlmoon]

Thank you Lucille, for contacting Dr. Allender and posting that information.

 

[Fangthane]

The bottom line is that they will no longer offer water snakes for sale.

hopefully, UR will come to there senses and deal with it correctly. Right now under these conditions I am sure they are quite aware of whats going on.

If coming to their senses involves discontinuing the sale of field-collected water snakes, then I think it's safe to say that Underground still hasn't found any sense. They're still selling them on their website. I guess they'd decided that not listing them here on Fauna would be good enough. Out of sight, out of mind.

https://undergroundreptiles.com/shop/banded-water-snake/

 

[snakesareawesome]

Dan, websites are often horribly inaccurate. In fact the one time I tried to purchase there, I had to cancel it because the website inventory no longer really existed. I'd love the CH redtail rats they have up for sale now, but until I know more about what is or is not going on with the SFD situation, I am passing.

 

[Fangthane]

Dan, websites are often horribly inaccurate.

A possibility I'd considered. However, if trying to put forth an effort to do "the right thing," it seems unlikely that they wouldn't have managed to get the listings successfully removed from their own website, despite managing to clear them out of this one. Considering the source, I'm inclined stick with my suspicions.

 

[KNOBTAIL]

They may still have them on there site listed, but i doubt they would sell any. Its just as easy to say that there site will be updated, or that they no longer have any in stock.

 

[Fangthane]

They may still have them on there site listed, but i doubt they would sell any.

If we're talking about a matter of "sense," it doesn't really make any sense to continue to list animals that one has no intention of selling. I don't want to know badly enough to add a credit card and place an order with them, but it did allow me to add one to the cart and proceed to checkout. Having them listed doesn't seem to be a sensible way to distance themselves from being associated with potentially tainted animals, assuming that your optimism isn't extremely misplaced, and they actually intend to do just that.

 

[snakesareawesome]

I can understand not commenting while consulting an attorney, but at this point it seems to have gone beyond that. When PETA put plants in Reptiles by Mack to neglect animals and then tape those same animals, RBM released a public comment pretty quickly. This seems to be a flat out attempt to pretend the incident did not exist. Heck, even a comment to say we are testing, euthanizing, or denying the allegations would be appropriate.

 

[tim brophy]

Thank you to Lucille for contacting Dr. Allender; thank you to Dr. Allender for taking the time to educate us. There are several companies, not just Underground Reptiles, that sell both wild caught and captive bred snakes. The same employees (I assume) feed, maintain, clean the waste out of the cages of both wild caught and captive bred. Cross contamination from wild snakes to captive bred would be a concern to potential buyers. It would give these buyers peace of mind to know that the companies have some sort of procedure in place that eliminates (if possible) cross contamination.

 

[tlmoon]

I just looked at UR's site and they have Nerodia fasciata for sale, described as "field collected". $4.99.

 

[Waddlea3]

Kind of snake

What kind of water snake is this?

 

[Pasodama]

What kind of water snake is this?

Which snake are you referring to?
If you mean the Nerodia fasciata, that is a Banded Water Snake aka Southern Water Snake.
If you mean the OP'S water snake, you should find the answer in the 1st page/s.
If, by some off chance, you mean which can be affected by SFD, you should go to the following thread:
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=602398

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[the gecko geek]

I just looked at UR's site and they have Nerodia fasciata for sale, described as "field collected". $4.99.

I have a wholesale account with UR, their list is updated daily and as of today's update they have listed "assorted water snakes" available. I haven't checked their website today to see if they are on there or not.

I haven't read every word of this thread but has it been made clear that this can or can't be spread from species to species? If so which post # is it?
Would like to find out whether the SFD positive test results are actually real.

 

[Fangthane]

Would like to find out whether the SFD positive test results are actually real.

I guess I could see a mod choosing to give an infraction for posting information that originated with a banned member, but the official test results seem like something that really should have already been made a part of this thread - no matter who does the actual posting.

 

[tlmoon]

Jordan, this article has some information on a study done by Jeffrey Lorch of the US Geologic Survey that is an interesting read.

https://www.sciencenews.org/blog/wild-things/snake-fungal-disease-spreading-eastern-united-states

 

[tim brophy]

I guess I could see a mod choosing to give an infraction for posting information that originated with a banned member, but the official test results seem like something that really should have already been made a part of this thread - no matter who does the actual posting.

Absolutely and thank you. I was hoping Joe's ban had expired; it is possible that he will not return regardless. Note that the results were extremely high.
I see no response as of yet from UR.

 

[Fangthane]

it is possible that he will not return regardless.

Yeah, I saw that as a real possibility. Although it was apparently not universally appreciated, the post I'd replied to made me decide that it was pretty clearly necessary. Aside from possibly Underground, no one really benefited from their continued absence.

 

[Pasodama]

They may still have them on there site listed, but i doubt they would sell any. Its just as easy to say that there site will be updated, or that they no longer have any in stock.

Incorrect.
As I stated, earlier, they are still selling water snakes.
As evidenced by, for example, this screenshot.
My hope is that they have taken some sort of measure to ensure that the water snakes, that they are selling, do not carry SFD.

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[KNOBTAIL]

Having them on there website means nothing, I just recently ordered 6 items from EBAY. and they processed the order. Debited my PayPal account. 3 days later i received an email indicating that they only had one in stock. Advertising is one thing, Lets see if you could call them and place an order. That would be another thing.

Regardless, whether you like it or not, they have no legal obligation not to sell whatever they want unless the health authorities decide otherwise. You really should move on and get over it. Unless i am mistaken we are dealing with 1 snake that tested positive.

I dont know what UR is going to do about it, but unless you are in a position to take some legal action yourself, we really dont need to be notified with a screen shot, what they are selling unless it involves some legal issues.

After 33 pages on this matter, it is no longer a concern unless you are the recipient of a sick snake purchased by them. They will still continue to advertise on this site, as well as Kingsnake. Maybe not water snakes, but for sure other snakes of greater value.

 

[Pasodama]

My, my, my. Aren't you the "touchy one".

BTW Never said they had a legal obligation to stop selling them.

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[Lucille]

After 33 pages on this matter, it is no longer a concern

Why are you trying to put the hush on? If YOU don't want to read a post, then just SOB- Scroll On By.