Bad Guy Underground Reptiles Stay away!!

[Bobby Douglass]

This is hurting Underground's reputation more than anything in this entire thread. Terrible business move on their part.

 

[Lucille]

don't hold UR responsible for my actions and words

we even tried to compensate him

You are speaking for UR by using 'we'.

 

[Jay Sommers Reptiles]

what is your question. I am having difficulty sifting through your nonsense. Underground did not do good business with me. It was a headache. After I hand delivered an order from 1400 miles away and you didnt take it i cut you off. I had to sell below my wholesale price to not have to drive them back to Kansas City. You guys kept calling me trying to get more.I dont need to do business with shady ass con men.

So "Cory" The boss cut you loose? You have his full endorsement for your behavior? Interesting. I would think he would be advising you to "turn the other cheek"

I am sure this is the best way for Undergrounds "employees" to spend company time. SHouldnt you be cleaning dirty cages? Or getting rid of your mite problems? Or maybe you guys could take some time to go over your TOS and make some revisions that better reflect the Christian values you are quick to flash around in an attempt to promote your business? i don't know call me crazy. Cory i never talked to you or dealt with you. You sure do have alot of knowledge regarding the business i did with Ryan Borkan and Rian Gitman. You should just give up you cant do anything at this point to make yourself not look like an idiot. I mean nobody believes you are Cory Cooper

 

[Jay Sommers Reptiles]

I knew if i waited patiently I would have an opportunity to expose Underground reptiles for the frauds and con men they are. Did you really think i was going to just let it go when you almost ruined my trip to Florida with my children? Do you even realize the BS i went through? With a 6 week old baby my 2 year old at the time and my then 6 year old and my wife? driving non stop to Daytona from Kansas city stressing about getting you your order in time to go through it and set it up for the show? And when i get there you spit in my face? well paybacks are a... You should have not pushed me. I havent even begun yet. You should probably just leave delta boy alone before i really turn it up.

 

[WebSlave]

Most of the folks on here have been so cool but why would the boss man there let this slanderous crap go on? Let Jay Sommers the Delta Boy answer any questions here even 1 and i'll call him right! He picked a vendetta for no reason! He got paid and we did good business with him we even tried to compensate him he just wants to hurt a good man and a great company for no good reason except he's a tool!

If you want to get all defensive and upset because you don't understand how this site works, then knock yourself out. But if you continue to be personally derogatory towards other members on this site, your stay here will be VERY short lived.

"Slanderous"? So you say. "Slander" (or more accurately "libel") being accused of someone is no more or less proven than the statements claimed to being slander (libel). And even so, everything posted here is unfiltered and in the raw for the readers to make their own determination about concerning the truth or lack thereof. I make no claims of having a crystal ball that can determine who is lying and who is telling the truth here. So no, I DON'T do anything about such statements made that someone may take offense at.

Even YOUR explanation of your IP match is only a statement made that is neither proven nor unproven. Just because you say something is so, doesn't necessarily make it so to whomever reads it. As shocking as it may be to your eyes to read, there could very well be readers who don't believe you. Does them saying so make them libelous by stating such? I trust you can find the answer to that question on your own.

 

[Cory Cooper]

yes sir Mr web-slave do tell me please what a libelous statement or a personal attack looks like? say calling them scum? Conmen? or trashing them with lies saying things that are just completely false like he has ever been to our facilitates? That's just peachy though isn't it? as for delta boy only your cheering section thinks of you as you think they do I get more emails on what a tool you are then you can imagine! I could care less who you think I am or what you think I am your a miserable tyrd with an ax to grind and a chip to unload.

 

[WebSlave]

yes sir Mr web-slave do tell me please what a libelous statement or a personal attack looks like? say calling them scum? Conmen? or trashing them with lies saying things that are just completely false like he has ever been to our facilitates? That's just peachy though isn't it? as for delta boy only your cheering section thinks of you as you think they do I get more emails on what a tool you are then you can imagine! I could care less who you think I am or what you think I am your a miserable tyrd with an ax to grind and a chip to unload.

Is it the reading comprehension thing you have a problem with, or the belief that I am serious that you have trouble grasping?

Take three days off from here to try to figure out what is acceptable here. I insist.....

 

[Jay Sommers Reptiles]

Calling you a conman is not slander writing it is not libel. Judge Judy called you a hustler. Was that slander? Nope. Saying you raped a baby when you didnt and i have no proof would be slander. You are dishonest and you are the lowest life form in this hobby. The only way you stay in business is because there is a constant influx of new people. I have been doing this for over 20 years and i will do it til i die. I am one of the most successful breeders of rare species in the hobby and you know it. I gave you the benefit of the doubt. Even helped you with stuff from your personal collection(i have the emails) and you chose to spit on me so now the gloves are off. I just kept it in my back pocket. I knew i would have my day. And it is here. People are seeing your true colors no more BS hiding behind your BS faith. How dare you even begin t accuse me of bigotry against Christians. You are no christian my friend. You are like the wizard from the wizard of OZ. come out from behind your curtain

Your supporters should post here not email you. Ask them to do so but make sure their IP address is different than yours bahahahaha.

- Jay "The sharpest tool in the shed" Sommers

 

[Jay Sommers Reptiles]

yes sir Mr web-slave do tell me please what a libelous statement or a personal attack looks like? say calling them scum? Conmen? or trashing them with lies saying things that are just completely false like he has ever been to our facilitates? That's just peachy though isn't it? as for delta boy only your cheering section thinks of you as you think they do I get more emails on what a tool you are then you can imagine! I could care less who you think I am or what you think I am your a miserable tyrd with an ax to grind and a chip to unload.

I dont have a cheering section. I would guess most people on here have no idea who i am or what i do.

 

[predators]

UG and whoever is posting on there behalf, the reason people think the way they do is because of these underhanded dealings, slick hustler ways and crazy TOS that you interpret in anyway you choose to benefit your cause. I have seen more venom spat at your company than any other. You guys have a way of just getting under peoples skin with the snide remarks and your business morals. Again, I wouldn't go so far as to say you are stealing, and every company shipping reptiles has doa's from time to time but, its just the way you treat people and make people jump through hoops to get an issue corrected.
If you take Jay's experience at face value it really does not seem that bad on paper. He probably didnt lose a whole lot of money but, when a guy drives all the way down to Daytona to bring you animals that you pre ordered and you tell him no thank you to prove some kind of point then on Monday call him and try to order from him that just infuriated him... Again was his monetary loss much? No probably not but, you tried to muscle him and prove a point and, they way you did him is no way to treat people in business. Its slick, rude and was an incredible inconvenience and a slap in a face to the man. Most people probably back down when you flex your muscles but he didnt. You infuriated him by this slick dealing.. Anyway this is just one example of many..

 

[Dennis Hultman]

In the interest of full disclosure? Yes i'll give you full disclosure! where you been when tool bag slams this company for weeks over a resolved issue? I guess it's ok? I work here at Underground there are 20 of us that make our friken living feeding our families here and this delta boy is hell bent on slandering us! I dealt with this guy we never hurt him he was asked what wee can do and you want an explanation??? want pictures a licence what now? This isn't some criminal activity here this is a company that helps more folks than you could ever imagine. Why not moderate the Delta Bravo and don't hold UR responsible for my actions and words I can't believe you let this happen like this.

Let me help you here a little for when you get back.

The site doesn't judge the merit of threads or individual opinions. The site itself doesn't make a determination of who is right or wrong. We do however enforce some basic rules. Most of the time you don't see when those rules are enforced because the infractions users receive are only visible to the individual and the moderators. The members here and the readers give what weight they deem appropriate to the individual posts and threads.

Instead of coming on here and giving your opinions to dispute statements of others and maybe swaying the readers opinions you start attacking the moderators for not stopping others from posting and we are suppose to be vetting what they state?

Here are the rules for you to read.
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8880

That's not all. I don't like the deception and I think you will find most or going to have a problem with it.

Let me tell you, members here don't like to be mislead. Most here that are doing business online only have the actions and the words of others to base their decisions on.

is hell bent on slandering us!

It only became "us" only after your IP address was posted.

Before then it was

This company has made good on all the bad "ink" on here and you still aren't happy! Loosen up and don'y buy from them

Did you call up like they said and let them make it good? NO

You were speaking as a third party. If you are an employee as you state and your the one that dealt with this person,

I dealt with this guy we never hurt him he was asked what wee can do and you want an explanation??? want pictures a licence what now?

you were being deceptive to the readers.

Then you have the nerve to get an attitude because you were asked for explanation?

 

[Dennis Hultman]

You were speaking as a third party. If you are an employee as you state and your the one that dealt with this person,

you were being deceptive to the readers.

Then you have the nerve to get an attitude because you were asked for explanation?

Just so there is no mistake that's a personal opinion and I'll add to it.

and don't hold UR responsible for my actions and words

You as employee, who dealt with the person you were addressing in you first posts, acting like a third party is a reflection on your company.

Not only that you stated he cut you loose to do it. On the same company IP address to boot.

 

[Jay Sommers Reptiles]

UG and whoever is posting on there behalf, the reason people think the way they do is because of these underhanded dealings, slick hustler ways and crazy TOS that you interpret in anyway you choose to benefit your cause. I have seen more venom spat at your company than any other. You guys have a way of just getting under peoples skin with the snide remarks and your business morals. Again, I wouldn't go so far as to say you are stealing, and every company shipping reptiles has doa's from time to time but, its just the way you treat people and make people jump through hoops to get an issue corrected.
If you take Jay's experience at face value it really does not seem that bad on paper. He probably didnt lose a whole lot of money but, when a guy drives all the way down to Daytona to bring you animals that you pre ordered and you tell him no thank you to prove some kind of point then on Monday call him and try to order from him that just infuriated him... Again was his monetary loss much? No probably not but, you tried to muscle him and prove a point and, they way you did him is no way to treat people in business. Its slick, rude and was an incredible inconvenience and a slap in a face to the man. Most people probably back down when you flex your muscles but he didnt. You infuriated him by this slick dealing.. Anyway this is just one example of many..

Pretty much

 

[Jay Sommers Reptiles]

Just so there is no mistake that's a personal opinion and I'll add to it.

You as employee, who dealt with the person you were addressing in you first posts, acting like a third party is a reflection on your company.

Not only that you stated he cut you loose to do it. On the same company IP address to boot.

I will say this. I have never heard of Cory Cooper. Never tallked with him never had any interaction of any kind that i can recall. I dealt almost exclusively with Ryan Borkan. And the only time i ever really talked to Rian Gittman was when he emailed me to call me names and try to push me around because he didnt like me basically telling Ryan B that they are hypocrites and i will never sell to them again. Thats it. So when Ryan Borkan posted all his BS about his character and what a great guy he was and basically lied about the actual event and lied about me,what i did and what i said they pushed me too far. So people may have their differing opinions but until you drive literally halfway across the country expecting to be paid upon arrival and you dont. You really have no idea what i am feeling. This was not a trip across town. I drove from KC to daytona. So when you back out of a deal like that. There is nothing you can ever do to make things right with me.Never. There is no compensation that i coyuld find acceptible. And then to call me monday morning while i am still in Florida to ask for an order shipped after you didnt take the one i just drove down to hand you in person? How and in what way am i in the wrong in that situation. I was very open and up front that i was vending.They knew for months prior to the show. it was not a surprise at all.

And the recent actions from the crew at underground should just support everything i have said about them. No good, shady dishonest conmen. Every last one of them.

 

[LifelessForm]

I dont have a cheering section. I would guess most people on here have no idea who i am or what i do.

Before this thread I had no idea who you were, still don't really.

I do think that this thread has sidetracked too many times from the issue the OP had. Even though it has since been made right, UG has made themselves out in a bad light in more than 1 way here. First, by not acknowledging the OP inside this thread and publicly working with her to get this done, they made her call them. I think they should have been calling her, that's customer service

Second, and whether it was warranted or not, by "calling out" BTMExotics on past business done and causing a verbal name calling battle that side tracked the problem from the OP.

Third, by creating this "Cory" character and using him/it as a front to badmouth an individual that, while was part of the side track, had nothing to do with the OP except to relay his experience with UG.

I had decided by reading previous posts that UG would never be a business that I will have dealings with, either buying or selling, but this was the icing on the cake. For a legitimate business to represent themselves on a site such as this, whether it be here, Kingsnake or any of the other sites, is just bad PR. This will hopefully be a warning to anyone thinking of doing business with them to be aware of potential headaches, problems, veiled threats, etc.

Also, can someone explain this Delta Boy/Delta Brave?

Lastly, he claims he could have highjacked an IP from Taiwan if he wanted, trust me, if he could have done that, he wouldn't be working for a two bit petstore in FL.

Just my 2 cents, but my 2 cents is worth 10...

 

[Jay Sommers Reptiles]

Well i dont think it has been sidetracked. All info has mostly fallen within the parameters of the title of this thread. If you read...I specifically asked the moderators if I should start a new thread. I did it here in public and in a P.M. i was told to go ahead and do it here.

Deltaboy/delta bravo is coder itmeans many things. Depending on if its a military reference,police or other. In some circles it means douchebag,dirtbag or someother put down. In some it means something is finished not working broken. and in some old law enforcement circles it means dead body.

I dont know which was being referenced. Very likely it was another veiled threat hinting at me becoming a dead body? dont know dont care.

So like i said this thread was not sidetracked or hijacked by me.I was advised to post here instead of a new thread.

 

[LifelessForm]

Nothing against you, Jay, I see the relevance between your problems and everyone else that has had dealings with UG. Just voicing my opinion. I would be just as livid if I drove from KC to Daytona on my dime to deliver goods that were refused then reordered 2 days later. Gas isn't cheap and I'd imagine that with a family and stock in tow, you aren't driving a Prius.

I figured it was douchbag or something of that nature, just didn't know if it was an approved word for this forum.

 

[Kristi23]

This is hurting Underground's reputation more than anything in this entire thread. Terrible business move on their part.

I have to agree. I didn't plan on doing business with them, but this "Cory" has sealed it for me.

Do we know if he's a real employee or is it Rian? I'm not familiar with who works there.

 

[Lucille]

It seems to me this Cory business was a calculated move on the part of UG. They wanted to slash and burn Jay, but also wanted to retain any goodwill earned by their sending of the two geckoes.
I'm sure they were badmouthing Jay (and perhaps this site) amongst themselves, if Cory really exists they knew full well what would happen if they unsnapped his leash.

 

[WebSlave]

Well i dont think it has been sidetracked. All info has mostly fallen within the parameters of the title of this thread. If you read...I specifically asked the moderators if I should start a new thread. I did it here in public and in a P.M. i was told to go ahead and do it here.

<<snip>>

So like i said this thread was not sidetracked or hijacked by me.I was advised to post here instead of a new thread.

For the record, yes, the PREFERRED methodology is for the multiple experiences for a single person and/or business to be in as few separate threads here on the BOI as possible. Matter of fact back in the beginning, it used to be a rule that there be only a single thread about any given person and/or business. But it proved to be a major headache to try to enforce, so it was dropped. Still, the intent is to try to keep the NUMBER of threads down to a manageable number so any information pertinent and relevant will not simply get lost in the blitz of information due to an overwhelming number of threads about a person and/or business someone is interested in researching here.