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KelliH said:
Hacking is a pretty serious accusation. Can you please post the details of how or in what way they hacked into your You Tube account, and what they did as a result of the hacking? Also, can you post copies of the email exchanges between you and them?
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Somehow this didn't get quoted in my last post (having internet difficulties). I have to say within the past few years I've been using YouTube and talked to friends using YouTube I have never heard of anyone hacking an account.. and honestly, do you think these two could really hack into an account?

Did you take screen shots of any "damage" that was done?
 
Julirs said:
Knobtail-I am not sure 13 and 14 year olds start something like this with the intention of hurting a business. They just want to see animals taken care of.

Again-was this hacking, or comments made on the accounts where everyone is free to make comments?
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May I ask why Daniel does not defend himself instead puts Julirs to defend his Honor does that not sound like a child of 13?
 
tinmantribe5 said:
May I ask why Daniel does not defend himself instead puts Julirs to defend his Honor does that not sound like a child of 13?
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Whoa-I am not defending anyones honor! I am the defender of good Customer service and factual information as well as getting both sides of the story. :NoNo:
 
Julirs

I really cant believe that I missed this stqtement of yours...

"I actually know both of the young men that were upset at the alleged conditions of the WC Mellers chameleons. As much as you do not want your business "slammed", I do not find it fair to "slam" people for being concerned.

Based on an ALLEGATION, these two fine upstanding children were upset ! And YOU are justifying them for being concerned on an allegation... Did I read that correctly.... Do we have a problem here !

Two little nothings with some computer savy decided to go after a legitimate business and cause havoc.. It was not enough that they began lambasting Underground on a variety of forums, but began posting there allegatons on YouTube, not to mention what other abuses they were involved in , and this is based on ALLEGATIONS ! that you seem to think is OK

Now that potential litigation is coming into the fold, for loss of business, discrediting a reputable business, and even coming here as well as other sites complaining about Underground and a whole host of internet violations using that menu to cause harm, has gone a little beyond concerns for the Mellers !

Ridiculous... I am sure the parents would love to resolve this as quick as possible... the financial wounds that these two sweethearts could cause, could ,if the right party was injured, make a lasting impression, in a court of law with some financial reward for Undergrounds loss of revenue because of these darlings...
 
KNOBTAIL said:
I really cant believe that I missed this stqtement of yours...

"I actually know both of the young men that were upset at the alleged conditions of the WC Mellers chameleons. As much as you do not want your business "slammed", I do not find it fair to "slam" people for being concerned.

Based on an ALLEGATION, these two fine upstanding children were upset ! And YOU are justifying them for being concerned on an allegation... Did I read that correctly.... Do we have a problem here !

Two little nothings with some computer savy decided to go after a legitimate business and cause havoc.. It was not enough that they began lambasting Underground on a variety of forums, but began posting there allegatons on YouTube, not to mention what other abuses they were involved in , and this is based on ALLEGATIONS ! that you seem to think is OK

Now that potential litigation is coming into the fold, for loss of business, discrediting a reputable business, and even coming here as well as other sites complaining about Underground and a whole host of internet violations using that menu to cause harm, has gone a little beyond concerns for the Mellers !

Ridiculous... I am sure the parents would love to resolve this as quick as possible... the financial wounds that these two sweethearts could cause, could ,if the right party was injured, make a lasting impression, in a court of law with some financial reward for Undergrounds loss of revenue because of these darlings...
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:iagree::iagree:

I find it odd also that julirs is defending these juvinile delinquents. Maybe she is the one who put them up to it. It was all about some chamelians, and that is what she sells. If she can ruin the competitions name, she will sell more.

Also, the emails have been asked for several times now. Why is it that no one can post them?
 
People, we are talking about kids. Do you people have any? I am a super small potatoes breeder so I have nothing to gain. I just know this started harmlessly and has blown up. I also do not like being accused, but the purpose of this site is to air grievances and for others to defend themselves.
 
The Underground youtube account was in fact accessed by these kids. They commented on UG's videos using UG's account. Quotes from the email interaction were pasted and taken out of context into the video comments. Underground is a business that has been around nearly 20 years and has always excelled in providing people the best the industry has to offer.
 
Julirs said:
People, we are talking about kids. Do you people have any? I am a super small potatoes breeder so I have nothing to gain. I just know this started harmlessly and has blown up. I also do not like being accused, but the purpose of this site is to air grievances and for others to defend themselves.
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You are the one who brought this on yourself. You are the one defending these punks, plain and simple. If you didn't want to be challanged, you should not have opened your mouth.
 
This is a case of people being passionate about animals and went way awry. I know nothing of the youtube crap and have seen no proof. Now you attack me? I question now who the punks are.
 
Julirs said:
People, we are talking about kids. Do you people have any? I am a super small potatoes breeder so I have nothing to gain. I just know this started harmlessly and has blown up. I also do not like being accused, but the purpose of this site is to air grievances and for others to defend themselves.
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And as kids they need their butt busted if they are hacking accounts and causing trouble.... because if they dont get it... then I will be looking over them in a few short years once the law catches up with them.
 
Julirs said:
I actually know both of the young men that were upset at the alleged conditions of the WC Mellers chameleons. As much as you do not want your business "slammed", I do not find it fair to "slam" people for being concerned. Both of these young men are quite mature for thier age and care very much for the animals. I did have the opportunity to read the replies to the emails they sent to Underground, and I was very shocked at the tone, language used, and overall message from the staff at Underground. I do not have personal experience with Underground, and I have nothing personally bad to say, but I do believe in Customer Service and education over calling someone stupid. I may not be aware of all of the interactions, but I do know the initial intention was to help the animals. It seems it did get out of control. Both of the young men did in fact purchase animals from the store.
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You say that you read the emails. Why would parents let some non family member see this stuff if it doesn't concern you? Maybe you are the mother of one of these punks.
I have a 13 year old and if he did that I would be opening up a can of woop ass, and then he would be publicaly appologizing in all of the forums he posted in.
 
I will not defend hacking, but still no one can show this was done.
 
Juli, the fact of the matter is all you know is what these kids told you. Emails can easily be edited before being sent to another person. Honestly, taking a stance on this issue, or any for that matter, without any proper information is irrational on your part. As I said, I have personally seen what these kids have done and there is no argument about it. The second kid apologized for his actions yet the first kid, Daniel, is not owning up and making no apologies as he thinks he is invincible and impervious to consequences. He needs to take action before this gets serious and there are legal actions taken. UG is being very generous by allowing Daniel a chance to redeem himself.
 
brd7666 said:
You say that you read the emails. Why would parents let some non family member see this stuff if it doesn't concern you? Maybe you are the mother of one of these punks.
I have a 13 year old and if he did that I would be opening up a can of woop ass, and then he would be publicaly appologizing in all of the forums he posted in.
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Brings a new twist to things.... Juli are you a parent of one of the kids?
 
NOBODY accessed undergrounds youtube account. Maybe the other child did, we are not "buddies" all I have done is send e-mails and can provide them if requested. This crap about hacking is driving me crazy, UG does not know what it means to hack and I called them myself to confirm this. Posting on their account and on videos is something ANYONE can do and it is permitted. I have freedom of speech, to slander is one thing but everything I have said is 100% true, which makes it fact, not slander. I think it is ridiculous that even after a talk on the phone with underground they still choose to say false things. There is nothing that can be done against me legally because I have done nothing illegal. My father should have set Ryan straight about what it means to hack, because if he still claims his account was hacked he is mistaken. I would like to see these alleged comments that were made from youtube from UGs channel. Ryan I already spoke with you, but I feel the need to defend my case. Thank you Sabrina and Juli for sticking up for me, but as I said, if I didn't defend myself I would implode. I think it is ridiculous people make up these claims that undergrounds account was hacked. Again, nothing I have done is illegal, and if anything Underground's threat against me was. That is all I am going to say, I have spent thousands of dollars at underground in the past, and it is a shame I will no longer go to their store. One e-mail sprung into chaos, and all the phone calls were made by the other kid. We are not "accomplices" and we are not "buddies", these are two totally different accounts and nothing I have done is illegal.
 
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