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Matt K said:
While there are certainly niches and cliques amongst all of us on these boards, I don't feel like that many hold grudges and some argueing can be very productive. Example: While I do not like how JG1153 said what he said, I actually kind of like the guy for what he was trying to get at underneath the odious surface of his words. Mudslinging was really not a good title for the post. I PM'd Juan, he PM'd me back, it was very civil, and while he and I may have conflicting views I think if he and I had a discussion in person it would only be productive and not a flat out fight (let me know if I am way off base on this Juan aka JG1153)! A certain degree of inner conflict can be more productive in evaluating and creating new resources than everyone posting online sympathy cards to one another- in my opinion.
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I can certainly agree with this and my apologies if came off as abrasive or inconsiderate during our discussion.
We all get a little riled up at one time or another here at the BOI.
 
Mike Schultz said:
Of course not. You only admit you have the capacity to commit a wrong when talking to a customer you wronged, not when talking to potential customers.
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Bingo my friend !! It's all about the biz & moving animals in & out as quickly as possible. Some wholesalers ( very few ) have morals but pretty much it's about the $$$. Reptiles, fish, birds etc.. it's all the same thing especially when you are dealing in huge quantities...
 
Mike Schultz said:
Of course not. You only admit you have the capacity to commit a wrong when talking to a customer you wronged, not when talking to potential customers.
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Gee, I though flat out deniability was the standard practice observed even after being confronted with undeniable proof.
 
It was on the sister channel of channel 8 news in the Dallas Fort worth area..
Jan 25th 26th 2010. Did they jump the gun?
 
Lynn said:
It was on the sister channel of channel 8 news in the Dallas Fort worth area..
Jan 25th 26th 2010. Did they jump the gun?
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I suppose they did because the Tarrant County Court Judge is to decide by Saturday whether U.S. Global Exotics will regain custody of 27,000-plus animals seized by Arlington.
 
Global Exotics Looses Appeal

U.S. Global Exotics loses appeal in animal seizure case
by SUSAN SCHROCK
posted Saturday, Jan. 30, 2010

ARLINGTON — U.S. Global Exotics will not regain custody of the more than 27,000 animals seized by Arlington, a county civil court judge decided Saturday.

Judge Jennifer Rymell of Tarrant County Court at Law No. 2 affirmed Arlington Municipal Judge Michael Smith’s decision that the international pet wholesaler had cruelly treated the animals, which were removed Dec. 15 in the largest such seizure in U.S. history.

The animals, mostly reptiles and amphibians, were inhumanely confined in cramped and dirty cages and denied necessary food, water and veterinary care, Smith wrote in his order.

U.S. Global Exotics appealed the Municipal Court decision, arguing that the city violated the Constitution in seizing the company’s entire animal inventory without providing enough evidence that all the animals were cruelly treated. The company has been closed since the raid, and the owners, Jasen and Vanessa Shaw, have not decided whether they will reopen, said Lance Evans, an attorney for the Shaws.

Rymell’s decision cannot be appealed. The city will turn over ownership of the animals to the SPCA of Texas, which has cared for them since the raid. The nonprofit agency, which has spent about $10,000 a day on the animals’ care, has already made arrangements with zoos, sanctuaries and rescue groups to give the animals permanent homes.

Source: http://www.star-telegram.com/local/story/1935380.html
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This needs to be a wake-up call for everyone in the pet business: import/exporters, wholesalers, retailers and hobbyists; fail to provide proper care for some of your animals and you could loose them all.
 
Web Wheeler said:
This needs to be a wake-up call for everyone in the pet business: import/exporters, wholesalers, retailers and hobbyists; fail to provide proper care for some of your animals and you could loose them all.
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I don't know about wake-up call. It's common sense to care for animals in your care properly.
 
First of all, they should have been given their animals back and given a second chance.

How many of you have asked for a second chance at one time or another?

I made a comment about whether to support importers in another post and I have something to add.

If you own a non native species of any kind, no matter what it is, you are supporting one of two people. One is a legitamate importer, and the other is a smuggler. So just because you bought from a private breeder doesn't mean you aren't supporting importers or smugglers. Your animals ancestors were brought into this country whether legally or illegally.

If importers are shut down the animal smugglers will pop up all over the place. Animal smuggling happens every day somewhere in the world.

Global should have been given their animals back and had regular and random inspections as one of the conditions to get them back. Global has been ripped off and treated unfairly.

It's funny how people are so quick to point their finger when they see someone doing something wrong, or what they consider wrong, without looking into a mirror first. No one is perfect, no one has ever been, and no one will ever be.

Until the world can learn to live and let live, your beliefs, your hopes, your standards, your dreams, your belongings, and so one will be at risk from someone who believes differently then you do.

More 2 cents.

Brian Dierking
 
No, I disagree entirely. When someone finds that many animals in such disgusting conditions, I see no reason the person not providing proper care should get all of their animals back. Compare this to a man who has a dog that got hit by a car but he does not want to provide medical care. The animal control agency will be called and they will treat the dog. After this, the man will probably not receive the animal back. The only difference here is that this was even more neglectful and on a much larger scale. These guys honestly deserved to have their animals confiscated and do not deserve a second chance.
 
albinoball said:
No, I disagree entirely. When someone finds that many animals in such disgusting conditions, I see no reason the person not providing proper care should get all of their animals back. Compare this to a man who has a dog that got hit by a car but he does not want to provide medical care. The animal control agency will be called and they will treat the dog. After this, the man will probably not receive the animal back. The only difference here is that this was even more neglectful and on a much larger scale. These guys honestly deserved to have their animals confiscated and do not deserve a second chance.
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I totally agree!!!
 
albinoball said:
No, I disagree entirely. When someone finds that many animals in such disgusting conditions, I see no reason the person not providing proper care should get all of their animals back. Compare this to a man who has a dog that got hit by a car but he does not want to provide medical care. The animal control agency will be called and they will treat the dog. After this, the man will probably not receive the animal back. The only difference here is that this was even more neglectful and on a much larger scale. These guys honestly deserved to have their animals confiscated and do not deserve a second chance.
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You are comparing apples to oranges. A family dog is a part of the family and should be treated as such, there is love an affection between the dog and owners family. Animals that were brought in from another country for resale are not beloved pets, they are inventory, there is no loving affection between inventory and a human being. Animals that come in from some of the third world countries are often times in bad shape before they get here. I would guess that you have never been in an importers facility before. It isn't profitable to spend a lot of money on vet care for cheap animals. Iguanas, for example, they cost roughly $1.00 each for the importer. Why would an importer spend $50.00 on an iguana vet bill when they sell them for $2.50? Again, I do not like to see animals die, but from a business point of view you have to draw the line somewhere. Excessive vet bills would put all importers out of business. A business is in business to make money.

The survival rate of imported animals as a whole is much greater then the survival rate of animals in the wild.

People want cheap, that is just the way it is. Without importation of some of the species that are brought in, the cost would go way up, hurting pet stores as well as the consumer. A lot of animals that are brought in are not bred in captivity here in the states, or if they are they are bred by hobbiest that do it for fun because they lose money after all of the expenses are added up for the care of their breeders.

It's weird what some people call inhumane. A lizard that costs $1.00 dies and you are up in arms, but you can go to your local department store and buy clothes that came from a third world country, where children are like slave labor, who work 12 hours a day or more for what we call pocket change. So you can buy clothes made by people living and working in filth, and being exploited so you can have cheap clothes, but that is alright.

Instead of focusing on a $1.00 iguana, how about trying to help the people that are considered slave labor? Or is it because people can justify buying cheap clothes for themselves and their families, after all you buy a lot more clothes in your life time then you buy animals.

Again, people want cheap. If those same clothes were made in the states, a shirt that now costs $5.00 would cost $20.00. It's amazing at what people are willing to turn their back on and what they won't. Hey, whatever suits your needs, right?

What would happen to retail stores if they couldn't buy these cheap clothes?

What would happen to the consumer if they had to spend a considerable amout more for their clothing?

It's the same with animals. I have never heard anyone say that the importation of animals was pretty.

Global should have every right to those animals.

If you were not there then you really don't know the truth, so people should not be so quick to judge.

I am not defending Global here, maybe they were at fault in some cases, I don't know, I wasn't there. But all people make mistakes, some bigger then others. Regardless of what the case may be, they should have gotten their animals back and given another chance.

When people ask, where did the animals go and the responce is, to an undisclosed location. There are reasons for that. One of them is because they more then likely aren't getting propper care there either. No rescue group is capible of taking in the amount of animals that were confiscated, therefore, if you don't know where they are, you cannot see the conditions they are in by there so called rescuers.

Brian Dierking
 
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