Inquiry Username Victor121 – Questionable Guy

[TripleMoonsExotic]

On Mar 20, 2011, at 2:33 PM, Casey < > wrote:
Hi Victor,

Please consider this offer… I really just want to end this transaction. At this point in time, there is no reason for you to not trust me; I have done everything I said I would do.

Will you just consider selling me these snakes for the price of normals? I promise you, if you will do that and then either of these snakes hatches out an albino, I promise to pay you the rest. I don’t break my word and you have no reason to believe that I would. I have not lied to you and would not lie to you.

I am willing to buy these snakes as normal at the price of $100 each which is really fair since one of them weighed 1300 grams. I paid $575 which included $75 for shipping. So as normals the price would have been $275.
575 – 275 = $300 difference.
Please just refund me $300 and again I promise to send it back if either snake proves out.

My albino has bred with the 1700 gram one 4 times since I got her and I’m going to go ahead and start breeding him to the other one as well as she is now closer to 1500 grams.
This really does seem fair, so if you disagree please let me know your reasoning. I really want to just end this transaction and have closure so we can both move on to other things.
Thanks for your consideration. I’m going to post this same file with the request in PayPal so if you agree you can accept the terms there.

Thank you,

Casey

This just makes me grimace. No reasonable quarantine time from a known flipper.

 

[bullies&balls]

This just makes me grimace. No reasonable quarantine time from a known flipper.

Sorry but this has NOTHING to do with this thread at ALL. Is this a post count

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

Sorry but this has NOTHING to do with this thread at ALL. Is this a post count

Yes, you caught me. My over 3,600 forum posts in the last 9 years aren't enough for me...I need mooooooore!

I'm afraid it does have to do with this thread. It was posted publicly in this thread, so it is up for commentary. It is a known fact that Victor has purchased large groups of snakes from several different sources and resold large portions of them, all in the last two months. That is cause for concern on every level.

Perhaps you have no concern for it, but I do.

 

[bullies&balls]

I know, since I my join date is '09 i'm new to the bp market, right ? This was about snakes with questionable genetic backgrounds, NOT a buyers husbandry practices. Make a new thread on that if you FEEL is warrents one.

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

I know, since I my join date is '09 i'm new to the bp market, right ?

If you're referring to my quoting how many posts I have and how long I've been here, that was in direct response to your flawed logic in claiming I'm "post counting."

This was about snakes with questionable genetic backgrounds, NOT a buyers husbandry practices. Make a new thread on that if you FEEL is warrents one.

You are not a moderator. So either deal with me pointing out the flaws in the OP's posted husbandry or move along. You do not get to dictate what is discussed in a BOI thread, period. As long as it is about the parties involved and what has been stated in this thread, it is fair game.

 

[Amelanistic Orca]

This just makes me grimace. No reasonable quarantine time from a known flipper.

I took note of it as well Steph; kudos, that's some head shaken omfg stuff right there. Run what ya brung mentality...

 

[GreenCountryHerp]

Look out for the quarantine police

 

[ReptilesAnonymous]

Alright, well I guess I'll go ahead and respond to the quarantine police. The lights are certainly flashing…

Sir/Mam,

First, let me start by saying, I had no idea Victor was a flipper until recently. He sold me the snakes under the premise that he was moving and had to sell his girls. No research at the time showed that he was a flipper.

Still, even though I didn’t know that he was a flipper, I still agree that the 3 weeks I gave them probably wasn’t enough. However after I didn’t receive paperwork as promised from Victor, as you know, I got concerned that they weren’t really hets. So I decided to go ahead and breed the larger one earlier than planned because I really wanted to prove them out so I could use them in another project next year if they weren’t het albinos. At 3 weeks, they both seemed fine.

Anyway, I didn’t take the girls out of quarantine; I put my male albino in quarantine with them. Basically he is pretty much done for this season so I am able to dedicate him to these girls now.

If you fine officers would consider a warning…I would really appreciate it. I simply can’t afford a ticket...if I get one; we’ll have to feed our poor snakes MICE!

Ticket or no ticket officers – I think I can speak for the community when I say; we really appreciate your service! Keep up the good work.

 

[bullies&balls]

If you're referring to my quoting how many posts I have and how long I've been here, that was in direct response to your flawed logic in claiming I'm "post counting."



You are not a moderator. So either deal with me pointing out the flaws in the OP's posted husbandry or move along. You do not get to dictate what is discussed in a BOI thread, period. As long as it is about the parties involved and what has been stated in this thread, it is fair game.

In response to YOUR opinion (you know what they say about those)
Just because you don't like it, doesn't make it wrong. So, when you come on her all FULL SPEED AHEAD and act like the Op is doing something wrong and blab it out in a PUBLIC forum, be ready to have your comment and OPINION QUESTION, PERIOD..

 

[FosterHerpetological]

In response to YOUR opinion (you know what they say about those)
Just because you don't like it, doesn't make it wrong. So, when you come on her all FULL SPEED AHEAD and act like the Op is doing something wrong and blab it out in a PUBLIC forum, be ready to have your comment and OPINION QUESTION, PERIOD..

The thing is you didn't question her opinion. You stated what she said didn't have to do with this thread(which it did), and then told her to start a new thread over it, like you are the boss or something.

I never saw where you questioned her opinion, just acted up.

Stephen

 

[David Scarboro]

In response to YOUR opinion (you know what they say about those)
Just because you don't like it, doesn't make it wrong. So, when you come on her all FULL SPEED AHEAD and act like the Op is doing something wrong and blab it out in a PUBLIC forum, be ready to have your comment and OPINION QUESTION, PERIOD..

I guess the same can be said about your opinion.

The questions raised about husbandry are perfectly legitimate, and that is my opinion.

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

So, when you come on her all FULL SPEED AHEAD and act like the Op is doing something wrong and blab it out in a PUBLIC forum, be ready to have your comment and OPINION QUESTION, PERIOD..

Actually, no I didn't. I made a simple, obvious statement that seemed to be gleaned over in this thread. It is wrong to fail to quarantine a new animal. Unnecessarily putting your existing animals at risk isn't ok. Anyone that thinks it's ok really needs to mosey on over to the Damien Wyatt thread.

In the future, instead of making accusations about post counting and flying of the handle as you did, when you question someone, actually post a question (Though what was their to question? The OP was the one that "blabbed" it on public forum.).

Alright, well I guess I'll go ahead and respond to the quarantine police. The lights are certainly flashing…

Sir/Mam,

First, let me start by saying, I had no idea Victor was a flipper until recently. He sold me the snakes under the premise that he was moving and had to sell his girls. No research at the time showed that he was a flipper.

Still, even though I didn’t know that he was a flipper, I still agree that the 3 weeks I gave them probably wasn’t enough. However after I didn’t receive paperwork as promised from Victor, as you know, I got concerned that they weren’t really hets. So I decided to go ahead and breed the larger one earlier than planned because I really wanted to prove them out so I could use them in another project next year if they weren’t het albinos. At 3 weeks, they both seemed fine.

Anyway, I didn’t take the girls out of quarantine; I put my male albino in quarantine with them. Basically he is pretty much done for this season so I am able to dedicate him to these girls now.

If you fine officers would consider a warning…I would really appreciate it. I simply can’t afford a ticket...if I get one; we’ll have to feed our poor snakes MICE!

Ticket or no ticket officers – I think I can speak for the community when I say; we really appreciate your service! Keep up the good work.

Thanks for responding. It's helpful for those interested in purchasing from you that they are aware exactly what you meant in that email. It is easy to assume the worst in a situation such as that. It does not however, look to kindly on you by making a joke of it by making cracks about "quarantine police." That displays a lack of maturity and a disregard over a very serious matter.

I took note of it as well Steph; kudos, that's some head shaken omfg stuff right there. Run what ya brung mentality...

The questions raised about husbandry are perfectly legitimate, and that is my opinion.

The thing is you didn't question her opinion. You stated what she said didn't have to do with this thread(which it did), and then told her to start a new thread over it, like you are the boss or something.

I never saw where you questioned her opinion, just acted up.

 

[ReptilesAnonymous]

Thanks for responding. It's helpful for those interested in purchasing from you that they are aware exactly what you meant in that email. It is easy to assume the worst in a situation such as that. It does not however, look to kindly on you by making a joke of it by making cracks about "quarantine police." That displays a lack of maturity and a disregard over a very serious matter.

Questioning my quarantine practices was fair; however it probably could have been done with a little more tact which would have led to a more “mature” response. Honestly, I was just trying to be lighten up the mood a bit with my answer. I probably do need to act a little more “mature”; I have to be very “mature” at my 8-5, so I do like to goof around a bit here. However, I really don’t think my answer in any way made light of or showed a disregard for quarantine practices, it made light of the way mine were brought into question.

I’ll let you have the last remark and then can I have your permission to get this this thread back on track? I’m happy to discuss this further on a different one.

 

[Robert Potts]

Questioning my quarantine practices was fair; however it probably could have been done with a little more tact which would have led to a more “mature” response. Honestly, I was just trying to be lighten up the mood a bit with my answer. I probably do need to act a little more “mature”; I have to be very “mature” at my 8-5, so I do like to goof around a bit here. However, I really don’t think my answer in any way made light of or showed a disregard for quarantine practices, it made light of the way mine were brought into question.

I’ll let you have the last remark and then can I have your permission to get this this thread back on track? I’m happy to discuss this further on a different one.

I agree 10,000%.

 

[MTL Reptile]

just found another complaint about him...

http://www..net//showthread.php?t=27967

 

[MTL Reptile]

http://www..net//showthread.php?t=27967

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

Andrew, that website is blocked from being posted here on Fauna.

 

[MTL Reptile]

OOPS!

i apoligize. didnt know
to sum it up tho, the posts on the forum are complaining about the same thing, "hes a flipper", "hets are bogus", "my het is a normal and proven normal".....

 

[Matt2979]

Andrew, I'm no mod, but still don't want to see you get into trouble here. Checkout the rules before posting anything on, especially on the BOI. 3rd party links, quotes, or statements are not allowed here.

 

[ReptilesAnonymous]

Alright, the long long waited (hopefully not) results are coming in…

I’ve got eggs from one of the snakes I bought from Victor that are starting to pip…I’ve been meaning to update this thread, but it’s been so long, it just hasn’t been a very high priority. But, the little guys and girls are ready to come, so I wanted to least post before they did so there wouldn’t be any doubt that these are the eggs from the girl that I bought from Victor.

You can look back in the thread to confirm that the below girl on eggs is the one I posted when I received it from Victor. I’m guessing there will be people that can check these pics and prove everything is up to par, by comparing them.

Here are the pics of her on her eggs: