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Vincent Russello, attempting a scam

I'm sure it's a complete waste of my time but I"m going to do this once more.

Vince. Hi there. Do I have your attention? That's good. Hey, that red gecko sure seems unbelievably red. Specially with all the elements of the background, and the junk on the lid, and the doorknob and all. I'm SURE you did NOT alter it in a photo program. I'm EVEN sure you did not use a red light. PLEASE quote me.

What I am sure of is the following:

1. You chose a photograph that is misleading. YES, it's blurry. YES your camera skills may have a lot to do with that. BUT you have NEVER answered this simple question, therefore I feel it is misleading: "Vince, are you telling EVERYONE on this site that only ONE of the photos of the red Leo you posted is accurate, and all the rest have washed out the red leaving it dull orange?" I've never seen this question answered in a straightforward mature manner, so I think you chose a misleading picture. YOUR RESPONSES and nothing else have taken away all doubt in my mind.

2. You posted an auction of an animal, but after there were bids you rescinded the auction. I don't know about your world, but in my world once an animal is on auction and bids have been placed it is unethical to take it off the auction block, regardless of the feelings of the high bidder at that moment. He/she may have said it was okay, but some of the other bidders might not have and might have been the high bidder.

3. You attack and otherwise try to demean those with skills and abilities. You tell people to get new monitors. You imply that everyone who has posted YOUR PHOTOS in an attempt to get you to comment and work with them. Yet you show yourself to be a "suck up" (PLEASE pardon my foul language) and ignore the one person on here whose opinion you seem to value, and say nothing about HIS demonstration that the pictures seem to be misleading. When asked to please comment, you ignore that question.

4. You never have the decency (or perhaps I should use the word ability) to answer questions in a calm and rational and professional manner. Your answers are all nonchalant and non-specific. Not gonna go back and find the quotes, but if I had a broken leg and was home bound, I'd do it just for fun.

5. I guess I have to add the funny part. You seem to think that this thread is funny. Heck, it allows you to ZOOM and SKYROCKET those post counts (like that matters!). All it proves to anyone is that Vincent Russello is an immature child with trouble controlling his temper, zero photo skills (like half the people on here probably, so that is not a crime), and the people skills of a flightless gnat. You have some of the premier people in the industry refusing offers.

Wanna know what Vince? This thread is going to bite you in the butt forever. (ooh, more bad language, please pardon me). Perhaps in five or ten years you'll actually gain some maturity and this will be a laugh, but I really doubt it. You are too full of yourself and too empty of the qualities that make a good businessman. I'm going to attempt to refrain from making any more comments until someone posts a believable picture. IS someone going to be taking a good picture of your Leo, or is this something you are scorning because you prefer this little attention getting thread to continue. In fact I think we should all deprive Vince of what he loves the absolute most: attention. If he doesn't provide a decent believable picture of a fire engine red gecko (and we mean fire engine red from NOSE TO TAIL TIP as that picture demonstrates) then he will be recorded as a BAD GUY for all the world to see. His choice. He made it long ago. Let's all leave the tantrum and turn our attention to something worth listening to.
 
your post is laughable, LOL, bad photo skills yes. liar no. dull orange leo NO. Real red leo yes. sorry my people skills are so bad but how good should they be all i do is defend my self , everyday someone new comes out of the woodwork with a new reason this is a scam. its very very funny to me. you all seem to be infatuated with the thread, hey why wouldnt you be. its about me, but forreal i could of ened this thread long ago by not responding to everyones off the wall comments remarks and half smashed questions. this thread is the play ground and the everyone doubting my red leopard are the monkey bars. no one has turned down any offer from me as i have made NONE. I was however offerd 1,000 dollars for this leo on this thread and turnd that down.
 
Why??

Because you don't have a RED LEOPARD GECKO, and if you sold it for $1,000 to someone, you know it'd come back on you. That's fraud, and although this thread shows otherwise - you're smart enough to know better. Better to hide it in your closet (working on proving it out) than to take the $1,000 and getting called out.

I've got an idea Vince. You're a supporter of this site, correct?? Why don't we as fauna members try to raise up a bunch of cash (donations) as a group, and if we can raise say $2,500 for the RED LEOPARD GECKO that you presumably have in your position, would you ship it to Rob, let him and someone else check it out, take pics, etc. then ship it back to you - and if it's RED those monies will go to you, if it's not, they'll go to the WEBSLAVE. Sound like a deal??? I'll pay shipping both ways on top of a donation.
 
mike, i would offer this gecko up to you for free, if we can be partners you have more females and experiance , this is something i was greatly concider. I made my sales to cover bills, had to say bye bye to my redfoots , witch i am not to happy about. so is this something you would like to do? or am i to low on the food chain to work with on this type of level.

you said that on page 35

and you did NOT answer my questions.


please also QUOTE me the one sentence where I said you were a LIAR. I am not aware that I said "Vince is a Liar" and would like to see that.
 
as a matter of fact i belive i should be the BIGGER MAN here cut your marathon thread short. i am sorry for the wasted space becuse of the overwhelmin envy of my red leopard gecko. I will just sit back and let you guys run rampid on me. hey no sweat off my back, i personaly think this thread was strated as a trap for me to lose my cool and get kicked off of fauna sorry but i will no longer lead my self to the exocutioner. i have said this plenty of time before you can email your intrests in my one of a king leo directly to me at [email protected] or even instant messange me at that same name. I keep and breed quality reptiles and have been proven by feed back to be not only a reputable person to work with , but also honest and a great guy. i belive my all positve feedback takes a higher standing to these flame thrower threads. Well all my best to the people here, hope you get over this soon and get on with your lives.
 
Re: Why??

screamdreams said:
Because you don't have a RED LEOPARD GECKO, and if you sold it for $1,000 to someone, you know it'd come back on you. That's fraud, and although this thread shows otherwise - you're smart enough to know better. Better to hide it in your closet (working on proving it out) than to take the $1,000 and getting called out.

I've got an idea Vince. You're a supporter of this site, correct?? Why don't we as fauna members try to raise up a bunch of cash (donations) as a group, and if we can raise say $2,500 for the RED LEOPARD GECKO that you presumably have in your position, would you ship it to Rob, let him and someone else check it out, take pics, etc. then ship it back to you - and if it's RED those monies will go to you, if it's not, they'll go to the WEBSLAVE. Sound like a deal??? I'll pay shipping both ways on top of a donation.

i am all for raising money for this site. red leo is nfs to anyone but i do have about 4 juvie leos i would put up as full donation animals!!! let me know how we can do this!
 
Sasheena said:
you said that on page 35

and you did NOT answer my questions.


please also QUOTE me the one sentence where I said you were a LIAR. I am not aware that I said "Vince is a Liar" and would like to see that.

lol i said this becuse i knew what the relult would be. hehehe did you think i would really give up this red leopard gecko for free? this is the stepping stone to a new morph. but i already said i was done here, its just those little emails keep comeing in my mail box , how exactly do i stop this. well no matter i will figure that out. sorry folks shows over vince has left the building
 
Those who have been willing to give ol' Vince here the benefit of the doubt by saying that he may not have purposefully altered the photos are really nice people. However I have to disagree with you all on this one.

If Vince didn't alter the photos in any way, and the red leo pic was taken with the same camera under the exact same conditions as was the yellow leo pic, how is it possible to have a red wash on one and a yellow wash on the other? If EVERYTHING is the same, except the leo involved ... where are these colors coming from? And why does this camera malfunction in FAVOR OF the color of the leo being advertised??? The red leo has a red wash by accident, and the yellow leo just happens to have a yellow wash by accident??? C'mon now!

Sorry, folks. You're all very nice and forgiving people, but Vince is a liar. He doctored those pics in some way or another.
 
Stepping stone to a new morph!!!

This has become a big, big, joke, and I don't think that everyone that's laughing is laughing with you Vince, rather at you. I thought I would share a pic of a new morph I am currently working on myself. As some of you know we live near Cape Canaveral where the sapce shuttle lifts off. Well I have gone into partnership with NASA to produce this new "Space Shuttle Morph"!!! Check it out, there is a plain picture of Space Shuttle Challenger on the head of the gecko! Well actually I guess I missed out on proving this one as it was sold already, sold for a whooping $1,500.00, whoops big typo, I meant $15.

Vince if that sounded like a bunch of crap to you, I hope now you understand how everyone is taking this 'new morph' from you.

To be honest I don't even think you have put in the time, or research to even know what the term 'morph' is. I bet you've never seen a punnet square in your life, nevertheless have the ability to prove something out. So Vince is the new morph you have a Co dominante gene, recessive or what, do you plan to make that up as well or crossing your fingers???

I feel like have tried to be objective as possible and even remotely tried to be a friend to you as we have had a good deal together, but by spitting in the faces of all the good people here I feel it was directed to me as well.
 

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What's funny is Vince claims he is done, but he'll be back. He's a faunaclassifieds junky and cannot stay away. Vince, I'll get in touch with Bill and tell him to not waste his time. I won't add to this any longer, I've got cages to build and geckos to feed.

Regards,

Terry
 
Vince, here's an idea.......I have to be in the Cape Coral area in the next few days. I could meet up with you , take a pic with my camera and witness the specimen in person. I think that most of the fauna members respect me and would accept my word.(Plus I could post pics of the specimen in question.) Also, there have been many times that I have been a moderator between parties because I'm impartial even when it comes to friends. This would settle the thread once and for all. Up to you if you want to take my offer??
 
Well vince, Ray's offer is the most reasonable thing I've read so far.

He does have a sound reputation and if he's willing to come to you and see this lizard first hand, well, how can you say no?

Ray, I am looking forward to seeing your pics of this lizard. Do you have a time frame for when you'll be in vince's area? I'm going to be on the road a bit the next couple of days and would hate to miss the exciting climax to this..........hmmmmmmm shall we say debacle just to stay friendly?

vince, if it's the real deal, put me at the top of your list. If it's not though, you have to realize that you have totally blown any chance for being believed about anything in the future.


Wes Pollock
 
Vince contacted me by PM and said we could do this. I will arrange to meet with him in the next couple of days.(I don't know his schedule?) Maybe Friday??????
 
and still...no answer

Posted by Suncoast Herpetological

"Let's take one more shot just to give you the benefit of the doubt. This one is a simple yes or no question.

Can you honestly say that the first picture posted on this thread is a 100% accurate representation of the true color of the animal?

I am just asking for a yes or a no....no editorializing or sidestepping."

Posted by Sasheena Kurfman

"Vince, are you telling EVERYONE on this site that only ONE of the photos of the red Leo you posted is accurate, and all the rest have washed out the red leaving it dull orange?"


Has anyone noticed that no matter how many different ways this question is worded we still cannot get a straight definitive answer?

Come on Vince...answer this with a one word post...YES or NO!
 
Vince, you seem to place a lot of stock in your feedback rating here. All I can say about that is BULLTWINKLES!!!

Except for one exception, all of your feedback comes from people out of the blue who you have posted good feedback for as well. I do not believe any of those people have posted any feedback at all about anyone else here. So they have only done business with you and no one else and just happened to also visit this site??? How special!!!

And I would bet money that most of them are hotmail or yahoo accounts as well. Personally if you were on ebay and I was considering bidding on something you had, the bogus feedback alone would stay my hand. By all indications I am seeing you are someone that I would not do business with on a bet.

You were offered $1,000 for that leopard gecko and turned it down? And you claim that you needed money??? If that does not smell fishy, then I need a nose transplant big time.

Any bets on some lameass excuse that will prevent an unbiased visitor from taking those photographs???
 
I took Vince up on his offer for a realtime question and answer session. He seemed pretty open to the idea, so if anyone else was thinking of taking him up on it, it might produce better answers faster.

M surinamensis [11:19 AM]: Time to answer some yes or no questions about your red leopard gecko Vince... All of your responses should be either "Yes" or "No" in those exact terms. Ready?
M surinamensis [11:19 AM]: You wanted real-time interaction, this is it. I'll post a log after the fact.
M surinamensis [11:20 AM]: Please respond with a "Yes" indicating that you are prepared to begin.
M surinamensis [11:25 AM]: This is being done solely at YOUR request Vince, the questions will be straightforward and you can save a log of the conversation to verify the specifics of your answers. The IMs will all have timestamps on them for verification.
Vince3325 [11:33 AM]: sorry wasnt at the computer
Vince3325 [11:34 AM]: ok lets roll
M surinamensis [11:34 AM]: Not a problem, are you ready to proceed?
Vince3325 [11:34 AM]: who are you first of all
M surinamensis [11:34 AM]: Very good... First question; is the color of the leopard gecko identical in every photo?
Vince3325 [11:35 AM]: whats your name?
Vince3325 [11:35 AM]: i will answer all your questions no prob.
Vince3325 [11:35 AM]: some of these question may not have a yes or no answer
M surinamensis [11:35 AM]: It's Seamus Vince. I'm keeping this nice and impartial though, because people want straight answers. As you had said this was the way to get them, this is the way I figured I would proceed.
M surinamensis [11:36 AM]: If you feel a need to clarify further, answer yes or no, then add the clarification.
M surinamensis [11:36 AM]: First question; is the color of the leopard gecko identical in every photo? Meaning, does the color in the PHOTO look the same?
Vince3325 [11:37 AM]: wow paits fan we have something in common.
Vince3325 [11:38 AM]: No. the color is not identical in each and every photo.
Vince3325 [11:38 AM]: different setting along with lights where used in individual photos
M surinamensis [11:38 AM]: Out of the photos that have been provided by you, do you believe that the first photo posted on the fauna thread is the most accurate representation of the animal's color?
Vince3325 [11:39 AM]: No. Not the most accurate.
M surinamensis [11:40 AM]: Do you believe it's wrong to use a photo that is inaccurate to sell an animal?
Vince3325 [11:40 AM]: Yes.
M surinamensis [11:41 AM]: When you selected the photo to use on your auction, did you believe it to be an inaccurate representation of the animal's color? Ignore blurriness because he was moving, focus solely on color.
Vince3325 [11:42 AM]: Yes. The color was a little brighter then normal, on the other hand the other photos with out the added light made him look duller. I did provide a 2nd picture in same ad.
M surinamensis [11:43 AM]: Do you understand why people are as upset about the issue as they are?
Vince3325 [11:43 AM]: Yes.
M surinamensis [11:45 AM]: That's about it for the leopard gecko questions that I had. I believe that the responses given show what happened pretty clearly. I believe that you have a very nice gecko with uncommon colors (not one of a kind but uncommon) and, while many pictures didn't do it justice you selected one which went in the opposite direction.
Vince3325 [11:46 AM]: whether you think it is 1 of a kind or not is stictly a judgment call on both our parts
M surinamensis [11:46 AM]: Meaning, rather than use one which made it appear a bit less red due to the flash effect, you chose one which made it much MORE red, both types of photos are inaccurate, you just went with one that would cause people to see more problems.
M surinamensis [11:46 AM]: Would you agree that using the photo you initially used was a mistake?
Vince3325 [11:46 AM]: no that was not my intent
M surinamensis [11:47 AM]: I don't believe it was your intent, I believe it was an unforseen result of a mistake.
Vince3325 [11:47 AM]: (not a one word answer for this one) It was not put up as a mistake, but if i knew it would cause such a fuss i would have never used it.
Vince3325 [11:48 AM]: lets keep on track so you can post this and it will be clear and easy to read
M surinamensis [11:48 AM]: Do you think that explaining this in your initial post might have resulted in a thread that was perhaps two or three pages rather than sixty five?
Vince3325 [11:49 AM]: I belive if i didnt no react to everyone and stayed on track this thread wouldnt have hit the 5 page mark
M surinamensis [11:50 AM]: Good enough, I'll post the contents of this IM as of this point. Thank you for your time Vince. I also generally block IMs and will be returning to this setting shortly, there's nothing personal about it but you won't be able to IM me. If there's anything you need to say or add, please feel free to email me.

So from the yes or no portion, Vince admits that the animal is not accurately represented in the photograph that everyone's got problems with. [conjecture] I can kind of see a situation where a number of photos are taken, most of them are washed out and don't show ENOUGH color, so he uses one that shows too much... [/conjecture] A really bad decision but far more honest than the impression that has been given by his defense of his own actions in this thread.

I didn't address the questionable bidder on reptibid as I don't use the site except when directed to a specific auction for whatever reason and can't really claim familiarity with the way it works. If someone with more experience there who knows the right questions to ask were to IM Vince, we might get some answers.

To Vince directly... I suspect you're a fairly young guy, you refuse to tell anyone exactly how old but this is an impression that you give people. Mistakes happen, bad choices and decisions are made by everyone... the way they are handled is a lot more telling about the character and business ethics of the person who made them than the mistake itself. IF you made a bad choice and posted an inaccurate photo, even if you saw it and thought that it would pull in more buyers and did it deliberately, admitting this, apologizing sincerely, taking your lumps and NEVER DOING IT AGAIN would have left most people with an impression that you were an okay guy. Denying things that are obvious or responding to questions with attacks will leave readers with a very negative impression. While you have stated a few times before that you were a hobbiest who might be in it to make a buck or two on the side, so didn't care about your reputation... you can't always guarantee that this will be the case. People use this board and people remember a great deal... Consider how you want to be viewed in the future and understand that your current conduct will have an effect on that.
 
thanks for the oportunity to clear a few things up. if anyone else would like to question me in the same matter feel free. as for the way i defended my self i do not regret anything, i stick to my guns and i wont let someone make claims with no defence. I wanted to stay off this thread, but i wanted to come back to thank seamus i feel he is the only one truly interested in whats really going on. as for this other guy roger jolly its pretty funny that you think all 11 of my feedbacks are fake, where you jokeing or just thought it would be cool to jump in on this thread. is your name really roger jolly or is that an allias?
 
Whatever you are paying Seamus to change his tone...

I want DOUBLE! LOL. (Just kidding Seamus.)

So lets get to the point.

Vince said:
your taunting is a little thing called harassment, but i guess since isnt against me it is within the rulse, seems to be the way things go here.

Um, Vince. This post WAS directed at you. And as for your harassment claim, nobodys buyin it (just like your red gecko by the way).

Vince said:
no one has turned down any offer from me as i have made NONE. I was however offerd 1,000 dollars for this leo on this thread and turnd that down.

Actually Vince, you were offered $500 for the gecko. You turned down that offer and posted this on page 27!!!

Vince said:
however, I can do this, for 1,000 i can sell you this leo , with a signature contract stating that if the gecko is not a deep rich red color from head to tail i will refund your money in total

So, once again, Vince has been proven to be a liar! You just dont get it Vince. We can read! So, I would love to hear your excuse for this lie. One things for sure, you cant say it was a typo.
 
Re: Whatever you are paying Seamus to change his tone...

odatria said:
I want DOUBLE! LOL. (Just kidding Seamus.)

So lets get to the point.



Um, Vince. This post WAS directed at you. And as for your harassment claim, nobodys buyin it (just like your red gecko by the way).



Actually Vince, you were offered $500 for the gecko. You turned down that offer and posted this on page 27!!!



So, once again, Vince has been proven to be a liar! You just dont get it Vince. We can read! So, I would love to hear your excuse for this lie. One things for sure, you cant say it was a typo.

allow me to retort i will only respondeing to meeningful posts, not jargen and the same questions and hollow claims a million times over
 
O.K. Vince... how about this then?

Here is the same question without the sarcasm.

Originally posted by Vince. "no one has turned down any offer from me as i have made NONE. I was however offerd 1,000 dollars for this leo on this thread and turnd that down."

Actually Vince, you were offered $500 for the gecko. You turned down that offer and posted this on page 27.

Originally posted by Vince. "however, I can do this, for 1,000 i can sell you this leo , with a signature contract stating that if the gecko is not a deep rich red color from head to tail i will refund your money in total"

How do you explain the fact that these two statements contradict one another?
 
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