Info Watch out I got screwed BY Corsi Morphs

[womsterr]

I never said he was a bad guy I was just really really mad that he was not returning any communications with me!!! And that he was not upfront about the breeding issues. But I never never said he was a bad guy and I posted this as a INFO thread.

But the title of this thread is "Watch out I got screwed BY Corsi Morphs"

 

[Focal]

Good to see this is resolved but the best part of all this is the people who want to justify a seller not disclosing any and all drawbacks to an animal -Seems like a nice group of people to never do business with.
to me anyone knowingly not disclosing such defects are no better than scammers in my book.

I don't think many are arguing the disclosure, and even so, it is obviously too opinionated of a discussion for the BOI. I think most are concerned about the knee jerk reaction of the buyer and unsupported claims of neglect.

I'm still curious as to why this issue, that was of great importance, was never brought to the seller. It kinda of kills her point. Either the seller, or the viewers of Fauna, were a victim of deceit. Either the desert infertility was a tool to work our emotions, or she lied to the seller.

 

[Fangthane]

Good to see this is resolved but the best part of all this is the people who want to justify a seller not disclosing any and all drawbacks to an animal -Seems like a nice group of people to never do business with.
to me anyone knowingly not disclosing such defects are no better than scammers in my book.

I agree. However, the disclosure of breeding issues with the Desert gene is a bit of a gray area. A strong case could be made for either side. It'd be great if all dealers had the integrity to fully disclose the inherent genetic flaws. However, there's something to be said for the idea that people should actively take steps to really know what they're buying into. My bigger issue with the whole thing is the rush defend the seller while seemingly completely discounting the lack of communication, assuming that the OP's claims aren't fabricated. How long does someone go with no correspondance before they feel like maybe they've been taken for a ride?

 

[Focal]

How long does someone go with no correspondance before they feel like maybe they've been taken for a ride?

Less than eight hours

 

[Fangthane]

Less than eight hours

You're only seeing what you want to see, apparently. The 8 hour timeline only seems to apply to the time between her LAST communication attempt, and the posting of this thread.

So during our phone conversation he told me to contact him the following week to set up delivery well he wont return my calls

 

[reticguy76]

My opinion, is that 24 hours or so is a good amount of time from time of initial contact regarding an issue, assuming you can provide the time/date of initial contact (either with response or no response). If either no response or no action has been taken in 24 hours from time of initial contact, then I feel its appropriate to make it public. Also, letting them know that should this not be handled or kept in contact, it will be taken to the public, via boi, facebook, etc. Most of the time, they will respond and try to come to an aggrement, since the boi and facebook are such huge traffic areas of watchful eyes.

 

[reticguy76]

This is why I rarely call. There isnt really any proof of calls (unless you post a copy of the phone call history), texts, emails, letters even, are much better and easier to provide proof of communication (unfortunately its what this world has come to, not someones word, but we have to document in writing every single thing we do or get these days. Damn shame, but it is what it is)

 

[Fangthane]

My opinion, is that 24 hours or so is a good amount of time from time of initial contact regarding an issue, assuming you can provide the time/date of initial contact (either with response or no response). If either no response or no action has been taken in 24 hours from time of initial contact, then I feel its appropriate to make it public. Also, letting them know that should this not be handled or kept in contact, it will be taken to the public, via boi, facebook, etc. Most of the time, they will respond and try to come to an aggrement, since the boi and facebook are such huge traffic areas of watchful eyes.

That's a double-edge sword. It's just as likely, that had she done that, some would be quick to view it as a threat, and bash her for that, too. The timeline is a bit hazy, but by my interpretation of things, it's been over a week since she had any communication, yet some people want to ignore that, and only focus on the fact that she only waited 8 hours after her last failed attempt to communicate, before posting on the BOI.

 

[Focal]

You're only seeing what you want to see, apparently. The 8 hour timeline only seems to apply to the time between her LAST communication attempt, and the posting of this thread.

So I won an auction on the Facebook Reptiles Auction page and I paid for the snake in full that night. It was Thursday Aug 2nd no shipping over the weekend, ok no problem. Come Monday it was way to hot to ship for that week it was in the 100's. I am new to the Ball Python world and had no clue that what I had won a Desert Yellowbelly Female would not produce healthy eggs and he didnt tell me anything either, even though we talked on the phone for nearly an hour!! So during our phone conversation he told me to contact him the following week to set up delivery well he wont return my calls and prior to me calling I found out the info on the Desert Females and I want my money back! He is not returning my calls my emails nothing! This is Corsi Morphs Reptiles. This is so not ok!! I don't have the snake he does because he never shipped it but he has my money!!!! If you see this ANGELO REFUND ME MY MONEY!!!!!

It's too hard on a phone, but auction ended Aug 2nd. "No shipping over weekend."

Aug 3 (Friday) - Aug 6 (Monday) = weekend.

Aug 6 - 13 (week that was too hot to ship)

Aug 13 - eight hours ago. No evidence provided of contact.

 

[Focal]

It's too hard on a phone, but auction ended Aug 2nd. "No shipping over weekend."

Aug 3 (Friday) - Aug 6 (Monday) = weekend.

Aug 6 - 13 (week that was too hot to ship)

Aug 13 - eight hours ago. No evidence provided of contact.

Also to add, it appears she fibbed about the refund so I have no reason to believe she called. Its easier to fib in an email.

 

[reticguy76]

Yeah, I guess, nothing is real cut and dry with this situation and post

 

[Fangthane]

Also to add, it appears she fibbed about the refund so I have no reason to believe she called. Its easier to fib in an email.

I'm not necessarily taking her side, and her little "fib" is a big strike against her, but my whole point is that there's no excuse for not maintaining contact. The seller has viewed this thread, and hasn't openly contested anything she's said, so, ostensibly, there's no reason to assume that she didn't make her alleged attempts to keep in contact. The whole thing is being skewed by the "buyer's remorse" aspect of things. Take that away, and you're left with someone who's made a purchase, and subsequently been avoided. The rush to defend a "name", while discounting their own degree of culpability, is something I see too often. That is basically what I'm railing against.

 

[ByRandom]

I just want to clarify that I do not know Angelo Corsi at all. I am not trying to "defend a name". I was just giving my unbiased opinion.

 

[Focal]

The seller has viewed this thread, and hasn't openly contested anything she's said, so, ostensibly, there's no reason to assume that she didn't make her alleged attempts to keep in contact.

I agree. I would like to this confirmed or denied.

The whole thing is being skewed by the "buyer's remorse" aspect of things. Take that away, and you're left with someone who's made a purchase, and subsequently been avoided.

But you can't take that out because it changes everything. Taking that away is equivalent to taking away the fact that she might have called.

The rush to defend a "name", while discounting their own degree of culpability, is something I see too often. That is basically what I'm railing against.

Come on. Not me. I see no name other than a few recent desert ads. I've read enough on the BOI and the experiences of others to smell this from the get go.

 

[Ed Clark]

I don't see Angelo as a bad guy here.

Jodie failed to do her research,she bid at auction and won the right to purchase that ball python.backing out of the deal looks bad for her.

She should not expect anyone to ship a live animal in excessive heat.

Buyers remorse!

 

[David Reid]

Guys and Gals, anyone who does not see a problem with selling Desert females without full disclosure is WRONG. You can spin it any way you want to, but Desert females need a disclosure statement. If you are selling a Kinked Caramel, you need to disclose that, if you are selling a train wreck of a Wobbling Spider, you need to disclose that. If you do not, you are a flat out a lousy seller. If you won an auction for a car and it had a blown engine, and you were not informed, that is bad business ethics...same holds true for selling Desert females.

Dave

 

[Fangthane]

But you can't take that out because it changes everything. Taking that away is equivalent to taking away the fact that she might have called.

I completely disagree. The likelihood that he didn't like what she may have said in her communication attempts doesn't negate the seller's need to address them. If he'd simply replied with "Sorry, auction sales are final. The snake will be shipped on...", I'd have no issue with this. Nothing even remotely positive can come from condoning a seller's choice to cease communication.

Come on. Not me. I see no name other than a few recent desert ads. I've read enough on the BOI and the experiences of others to smell this from the get go.

Well, this is all open to interpretation. My own view strongly implies that there's merit to my "defending a name" statement. Clearly, you don't think so. Guess it is what it is.

 

[reticguy76]

Fully agree with you David. While it is ideal for buyers to do research, the seller is generally the one that has true knowledge (or should) of any potential gentic trait issues (individual ones as well).
If I was having an auction for a pair of hypo false water cobras. My disclosure would be that although these are great animals to have, they have been reported and proven to be cannibalistic, particularly as babies, if housed together. If I had an auction for a spider ball, even though it should be "common knowledge" as just being proper in hobby/business ethics, I would still put that as a disclosure/disclaimer. If one doesnt, in my eyes, especially in an auction setting, it lets the seller hope that someone that hasnt done their research goes ahead and purchases this potentially defected animal.

 

[reticguy76]

left out my spider ball example, basically I would put in there as a disclaimer that spiders are well known to have server head wobbles, etc.

 

[Lucille]

Good communication from sellers and disclosures when advertising are important. I wish the seller would have posted here to confirm what was said and what was not said on the phone, and whether there were additional communications we don't know about.
Had the disclosure been made in the ad, what with the buyer's complaint about weather, would we still be here?