Bad Guy west coast roaches Daniel Penunuri

[michellea910]

Thank you Lucille...that is my point exactly! I'm not here to assume that Jon nor Rene are in the wrong. I was not bothered by anything that was going on until they started the childish name calling.

 

[Southern Wolf]

Well I am not about to let you two guys ruin my day or use up anymore of my valuable time with your trial than necessary.

What we know is I did business with Rene Morales in very beginning and not anyone named Danial pernunni. He (Rene) failed to pay for site design and hosting. The website ownership of name, content, and site design all defaulted back to the registrar .(ME) I might add that all content in the site was handwritten by me, the site code itself hand coded by me.

That very well may be true (and you should have shut down the site)... but his business name does NOT default to you. Therefore you are most likely commiting fraud and identity theft by operating under his chosen business name.

I do not believe for 1 second Rene's middle name is Danial Pernunni. I cant be responsible for knowing everyone alias's nor can you.

We have also determined that this thread was created because someone got jacked by someone named Danial Pernunni. We have now established exactly who Danial Pernunni is. He is Rene Morales.

If the transaction had been handled as WCR has laid out. He (original poster) would have my name at top of this thread. But it is not. He(original poster) didn't list a name associated with WCR, but an alias of someone.

You are NOT WCR... you stole someone else's business name because he couldnt finish paying for web design. You can hold onto the domain name of WCR till your blue in the face... but that doesn't mean your WCR. Same goes for the AZ pool company that your holding onto. Are you also operating a business under their name as well?

Back to my original claim. I do not know Danial Pernunni, never have. I do know Rene Morales and if they are indeed the one in the very same, then by default I would have to know him, but only if I knew both identities at the same time.

You guys only yesterday established the user you had was Danial, and that they are one in the very same.

And if someone is requestion emails be sent to sales@wcr then they are associated with WCR. Matter of fact... Daniel is WCR not YOU! All you are doing is holding onto the domain name and operating under his business name.

Therefore....Daniel had every right to post replys on our site under the WCR name and use that email addy.

Now to a partnership.

I was not a partner, only the one who leased it to him (Rene) on a monthly basis. When he(Rene) failed to meet his obligations, I became the owner.

I do not have a partner. I work alone. When he failed I pick it up. I had spent a month hand coding and designing laying out the entire operation. Only to see it dwindle because of ill operation.

Might I also add the name WestCoastRoaches did not exist and Rene was doing business as RoachesRUs and was moving himself from another webmaster. I registered the name WCR and built out the site.

Just because you register a name on the internet does not mean you own the business. How many times has someone registered a handfull of domains hoping the corresponding business would pay top dollar for them.

So there never was any partnership.Now after the first 60 days or so when I was not getting paid for my design work or my hosting everything I had designed, written and coded is now my property. I took full ownership of the site, name and content. Thats when I started getting the emails from pissed customers about short bug counts, extremely late orders, missing items, and shipments that didn't ever show up.

And if you would have just shut down the site like your supposed to... you wouldn't be getting those emails.

As for you taking ownership... lets say you designed a website for Chevy and because of their financial problems couldnt pay you. Does that give you the right to take over their business name. Nope I think not. What you did to Daniel is no different.

All of which I had to personally cover out of my pocket to protect the name of the business I had worked so hard to create for no payment. I decided to turn it into something that would pay me back for my time and effort.

That is the same mentality that lands alot of folks in prison.

Rene was asked many times after the lease was dissolved to not use the name and to stay off and out of the social media profiles.None of which he respected. He continued to post for sale threads that people would ultimately come to me pissed about. Eventually at least the emails from his customers stopped so I would have to assume he stopped whatever he was doing.

You dont own his business name... only the coding on the current site and mabye the domain name. Operating under his name is illegal.

So looking a lil farther I find the information on HerpFamily with posts. Now I am owner of the site, and I see threads from a WestCoastRoaches and its not my account or profile. If he had the account that's cool, but named WestCoastRoaches. I would also like to say he was advertising a package on the page that sold items that were more expensive than listed on the website.

So now we have a listing on your site, that is supposed to be westcoastroaches adverting a package in our name that is more costly than what we sell and no power to change it or alter it.

Maybe you should look at dates next time. When those were posted Daniel was operating under his business name.... the business name that you stole out from under him.

Since you want to talk so much about your ownership... how about producing a signed contract by both of you that states "failure to pay will result in me assuming full ownership of the business name and site."

Please... supply that document

Now if we follow the HErpFamily view. I am a liar. In my email I did not make 1 claim as to knowing who the person was on your forums, I only knew it was not me. Could it have been Rene yes. Could I say 100% without a doubt? No your user records are yours, and not for me to see. After all it could have been Danial depending on who he was that day.

I have already supported my views. No need to really rehash it.

The material on your website even though it is pointed to the official address was incorrect and did not match our website prices. Ultimately your members would have ended up paying more for the products than we actually charge.Sounds like a awesome benefit to become a of HerpFamily and pay $20.00 more for products because your a member. Im sure they gonna love that.

we dont govern the prices our members charge for thier products. But what you still dont get is our member is WCR... you just facilitated the coding of a website. He is free to charge whatever he wants. Just like you are free to charge whatever you want for coding.

Thats just one of the reasons why the content was requested to be removed. It could have been a simple name change on the account. In your phone conversation with (Rene or Danial or Morales or Pununni) Im sure that would have been suitable for Rene as well as myself. Hell he could have changed it himself, but did not. He could have matched his name on your site to match the username he uses on other sites to sell roaches, but did not.

When he registered on our site... he WAS WCR. As for the name change.. just because you think its a simple matter.. it's not. As far as that goes... I could go down to the courthouse tomarrow and register WCR as a business then send Rich here an email and request him to remove your account because you're impersonating my business. Do you honestly think Rich would just comply because of an email request. Nope... he would research it first and then act.

I did not answer your phone call and speak with you the previous night. Didn't hear the phone ring, wife was asleep and ringer was low. It would have all been cleared up. Guess that immediately make me a liar, because i didnt jump right on your call.

Nope.. that just got me to digging further. It's not my fault you didn't like what I dug up.

But instead the two partners of HerpFamily jumped right in on me calling me a liar. I call both partners because both seem to be speaking for Herp Family in an official complicity. And if we use their logic, all you have to do to be an official partner is type the name HerpFamily or say your partner as they have allowed Rene or Danial or Morales or Pernunni to do without his own burden of proof.

The only official capacity I worked in is removing your account. Me posting on here is nothing more than a concerned member about how you use heavy handed tactics to take over others business names.

It just so happens that you contact me at HF which is what got me looking into things. Dont be mad at us because your shady deals are coming to light. You initiated contact in hopes of having us remove a member that as it turns out... was operating under his own business at the time of posts.

Point being I was called a liar, had the full burden of proof at my feet, while you took the word of someone who we now know has at least 1 alias and was acting a 3 different people without requiring any shred of proof other than your own judgement.

Actually I took the word of the evidence before me. At the time I made my post on here... I hadn't talked to Daniel. I was going by what I could dig up since you wanted us to investigate the issue.

And your actually gonna sit here on your thrones and put me on trial based on what is nothing more than your own belief and judgement based on a phone of someone we cant even establish the identity of.

Seems we hear that alot around here from those that get caught in shady deals. But I guess you forgot about the proof that has been posted by myself and others.

 

[adminwestcoastroaches]

Well If he owns it then he should have the same burden of proof that I had to display and not just the word of a man with two names.


Are you demanding that from him, or you calling him a liar? Are you somehow appointed judge and executioner of the dealing on the web or more specifically Fauna? Are you the "expert on how business should operate and format themselves? I hardly doubt it.

A couple of little drama queens like to stir up problems takes, two admins to handle one job. The real admin acted professionally, and did not resort to name calling or irrational behavior.


Southern you if i am correct just an admin. Meaning you dont have a site of your own. So do judge me or pass your opinions off as fact as your just a glorified member of a site.

Secondly you guys should not start with lectures telling me how to run a business you own a few sites and have to go to work full time still. Seems your "in your impressive view of yourself" are missing at least a few of the fundamentals and yet still act to pass judgments on me.

I do this full time, and pay myself with my own business's. i don't hide behind shrouds, double names. You can find me here, there everywhere as the same name.


Where is one shred of proof to back up what you claim. I have proven my identity and who is the owner and operator of WCR. Where is proof otherwise. An please don't use the domain who is tool that is highly inaccurate and outdated. that can be made to say any name anyone wants. For a fee your name can go there.

How is it that you are so sure that Rene or Danial was WCR. What proof do you have to support you claim? You claim it so freely and play word games with quotes and inject nothing more than your opinion into my sentences.

Where is the proof that WCR even existed before I named it and created.
If you wanna play attorney, bud you have to be willing to hear both sides. So far your only have opinions and what you think is the case. No more.

Use the word of a man with two names as gospel! A pure shame.
I am a firm believer that haters make you famous. And my boys your hating. See you on the other side.

 

[Southern Wolf]

Well If he owns it then he should have the same burden of proof that I had to display and not just the word of a man with two names.

You're the one that admitted to taking over his name. What is there to prove. You did it for us.

Are you demanding that from him, or you calling him a liar? Are you somehow appointed judge and executioner of the dealing on the web or more specifically Fauna? Are you the "expert on how business should operate and format themselves? I hardly doubt it.

You came to me remember. I posted what I found out and post my opinions about it.

A couple of little drama queens like to stir up problems takes, two admins to handle one job. The real admin acted professionally, and did not resort to name calling or irrational behavior.


Southern you if i am correct just an admin. Meaning you dont have a site of your own. So do judge me or pass your opinions off as fact as your just a glorified member of a site.

How little you actually know.

Secondly you guys should not start with lectures telling me how to run a business you own a few sites and have to go to work full time still. Seems your "in your impressive view of yourself" are missing at least a few of the fundamentals and yet still act to pass judgments on me.

There is nothing free about our sites. We pay for the hosting just like you do... and we also bought our license to run the forum software. Once again... you're showing how little you know.

Maybe your just reaching now... trying to take the heat off of your practices.

As for us working full time... at least our work is honest.

I do this full time, and pay myself with my own business's. i don't hide behind shrouds, double names. You can find me here, there everywhere as the same name.

And from the name I have been able to find... you're also full of yourself. Seeing as how Im not trying to get dinged for language... I will refrain from posting it.

 

[adminwestcoastroaches]

Good Day gentlemen

 

[GB2000]

Man...I never realized just how easy it is to let someone dig their own grave simply by handing them a shovel...

Most of the above was covered...no need to continue it in great detail.

Michelle, nice of you to chime in and talk so poorly about my website without making it clear to those reading the thread that you're related to one of the involved parties. Although when Kevin called you out on that, I'm pretty sure I woke my roommate up from laughing so hard.

By the way, HerpFamily.com really isn't my BUSINESS so I don't worry too hard about running my "customers" away...these people are my friends. I don't make any income off the site...any money coming in goes directly toward hosting fees and domain renewals. I'm just a farm b*tch and computer geek who loves reptiles and decided to setup a new home for all my friends and of course they were welcome to invite their own friends as well. We rarely advertise or go out of our way to prove we're the best site around...we stay just as involved as our members are and let our new members figure out why more and more people keep calling it "home" and then they recommend us to other potential new members. Word of mouth is a very good thing when you operate an honest business.

Anywho...

Just a few more things and I'll shut up for the time being.

Daniel had nothing to prove. We contacted him regarding a name change due to accusations of him operating under someone else's business name. He replied saying it involved a failed partnership or something along those lines, he no longer utilizes the account (as mentioned earlier in the thread, his last activity on HF was back in August) and we were welcome to remove it. At this point he was (IMO) saying, "I'm no longer affiliated with that business, delete it." What more proof do I need to ask for? However, Jon, we already had learned soooooo much about you while waiting for Daniel's response that now we were curious what kind of shady dealings were going on to lead to this situation in the first place...and that's where Kevin began digging. When we came to realize there was a LOT more going on than we were being told in your emails to us...that's when I got involved in the digging as well.

Jon,
I like how you keep trying to talk down on us because we work full-time to support ourselves rather than allow our websites to support us...and because of that, we just aren't true businessmen and don't have the knowledge you do about business. I can definitely vouch for Kevin that there is a LOT about him that you don't know. He's much more than just a glorified member on my site.

I started my own business right out of highschool, right downtown in a prime location on Main Street...I could have allowed my business to pay for myself too, but I was offered a job doing something I always dreamed of doing and my business partner was driving me nuts at the time. Instead of toughing it out with my business partner to try to keep the business going well, I accepted the job offer and stepped away from the business we created in order to preserve our friendship. That was nearly 10 years ago...the business we created is doing better than ever...but I don't regret stepping away to work full-time at another job. Sometimes I miss the money, but friendships are more valuable than any business.

Since I'm venturing more into opinions and comebacks...I need to just shut up now.

However I do have one more thing to ask that pertains to this thread and your business.

You said you were hired to design the website, paid for hosting, the domain, etc, etc. So obviously you weren't involved in the roach breeding operations, correct? When Rene was removed from the business...whether it was done legally or not...I don't care about that right now...you kept the site online and continued running the business.

The site advertises "The reptile communities top producing Dubia Roach Breeder" which indicates you, yourself, are breeding them? How did you go from designing a website for a roach breeder...to actually breeding them and selling them yourself after he quit paying for the site design and hosting?

Or did you contact another breeder to operate under your website name?

I'm just trying to figure out how you went from web designer who got screwed over by a non-paying customer to roach breeder...

 

[adminwestcoastroaches]

The same way everyone else come about their roach colonies. The bought them. Out of my pocket and grew the roaches.

Either way you choose to view it, gb2000 is up to you.

If you contacted Danial or Rene which ever you prefer and said he didn't want the name why all the fuss?

It was your MOD that decided to go blasting like a kid who picked a golden booger. It would have been simple. NOPE not even close. Could have just left us to hash this out. He didn't want the account didn't use or care to keep it. Again your mod decided he had the golden booger atop his finger.

In the real thick of it. Your 2 specific opinions are yours and belong specifically to you.

I do question however how you will conduct trial and try your best to execute someone while playing attorney and judge. That's just plain un-american.

Also I should mention if he has a voice, why not use it, instead of hiding behind two other people.

I have to answer for what I say and do, yet he has YOU to do it for him. LOL painfully hard to watch. And why is it you guys can explain everythign about him, our biz, and ultimately everythign you claim.

Well why two names, and if he does so well, why this thread? After all it is not my name in question.

With that said , again fellows I bid you tidings and take my exit.Enjoy your day.

 

[David Scarboro]

With that said , again fellows I bid you tidings and take my exit.Enjoy your day.

So, how many times are you going to leave this thread?

 

[GB2000]

The same way everyone else come about their roach colonies. The bought them. Out of my pocket and grew the roaches.

Either way you choose to view it, gb2000 is up to you.

If you contacted Danial or Rene which ever you prefer and said he didn't want the name why all the fuss?

It was your MOD that decided to go blasting like a kid who picked a golden booger. It would have been simple. NOPE not even close. Could have just left us to hash this out. He didn't want the account didn't use or care to keep it. Again your mod decided he had the golden booger atop his finger.

In the real thick of it. Your 2 specific opinions are yours and belong specifically to you.

I do question however how you will conduct trial and try your best to execute someone while playing attorney and judge. That's just plain un-american.

Also I should mention if he has a voice, why not use it, instead of hiding behind two other people.

I have to answer for what I say and do, yet he has YOU to do it for him. LOL painfully hard to watch. And why is it you guys can explain everythign about him, our biz, and ultimately everythign you claim.

Well why two names, and if he does so well, why this thread? After all it is not my name in question.

With that said , again fellows I bid you tidings and take my exit.Enjoy your day.

Now who's doing the name-calling? Un-American, really? You're not on trial. Actually I'm doing the American thing...using my freedom of speech and ability to freely research public records in order to expose some shady stuff going on with your business and Rene/Daniel's former business. Simple as that.

Do you understand what the BOI is? It's to help make potential customers aware of shady businesses (as well as to promote businesses that leave customers extremely satisfied). You contacted us regarding your business...we investigated and found this and decided to post the evidence we had that shows there's some shady business going on. We are simply using the BOI for what it was intended to be used for.

I don't know why Daniel hasn't posted here...he was sent a link to the thread with an invitation to shed some light on things. I have not personally spoken with him...Kevin and Daniel emailed back and forth some as well as had a 20 minute or so conversation with each other over the phone. There are a lot of details from those conversations that we can't even post on here solely because Daniel needs to be the one to post them or it's considered hearsay which I believe is prohibited here. Why is it we can explain everything about your business and everything we claim? Public records and lots of research. Take note that not a single accusation was made without some form of evidence to back it up.

As far as the two names...no clue there and I will admit, I do find it suspicious, but I'm not here defending or promoting Daniel's business. I've never dealt or spoke with Daniel so I have no reason to get involved in his business just yet. If he chimes in and we find inconsistencies with his story, we will expose those inconsistencies just as we have done to you. Right now we're just exposing the shady stuff you're involved in and you brought it upon yourself by contacting us in regards to it. So far everything Daniel has told us has been confirmed by you in your responses...so we have no reason to go after him anyway.

Actually...your name did come into question in this thread...you're partially right though. It BEGAN as a thread against Daniel though it was against "your" business name...however, the thread changed directions when MaydayPictures posted her story on there which made every additional post involve you, not Daniel.

By the way, do you make it common practice to get directly involved in the same business your clients are in (in this case, breeding roaches) so when they don't pay for your services you can continue the business yourself...?

 

[JudyC]

After all it is not my name in question.

Your name may not be in the thread title, but I beg to differ that it is not in question. Just watching and following along, it becomes very clear who I would choose NOT to do business with. And that is coming from someone who may soon be looking for some long-term contracted web work to be done. Thank you for the very useful insight.

 

[Southern Wolf]

The same way everyone else come about their roach colonies. The bought them. Out of my pocket and grew the roaches.

Either way you choose to view it, gb2000 is up to you.

If you contacted Danial or Rene which ever you prefer and said he didn't want the name why all the fuss?

Because you asked us to investigate a possible misuse of a business name. And it wasn't until I called you out on here that the truth finally came forth.

The truth will always be constant... and just because it doesn't land in your favor doesn't make the truth any less valid.

It was your MOD that decided to go blasting like a kid who picked a golden booger. It would have been simple. NOPE not even close. Could have just left us to hash this out. He didn't want the account didn't use or care to keep it. Again your mod decided he had the golden booger atop his finger.

Was that supposed to be an insult

Remember... you involved us. We didn't go looking for you.... well we didn't until you gave us reason to.

Just a thought... If you'd practice ethical business practices you wouldn't be getting called out about it.

I know exactly how much time and effort goes into coding a website. I have done my fair share. I do feel your pain on that one, but ultimately you should have cut your losses and ate the $10 domain registration and shut down the site. From the sounds of it... you were hosting it on your own account (or business account) so there was no money out of pocket there.

It's just my personal opinion (and I'll prolly get some grief for it), but it sounds like you got greedy and decided to show him for not paying. Add in the fact that a few months later you built and run a whole different website registered entirley to you selling the same product. What is one to think

My opinion is you decided to built DD to give him some competition since his site was done.

 

[michellea910]

Does it really matter who I am...when I made a generalized statement about the way you correspond with your subscribers..hmmm, I really do not think so. I just stated the obvious. You two are so wrapped up with your own personal feelings regarding the posts that have taken place, that you have forgotten how to remain professional.

 

[Southern Wolf]

Does it really matter who I am...when I made a generalized statement about the way you correspond with your subscribers..hmmm, I really do not think so. I just stated the obvious. You two are so wrapped up with your own personal feelings regarding the posts that have taken place, that you have forgotten how to remain professional.

And you seem to be so wrapped up in what he is telling you that you have missed one MAJOR fact.

Jon is not one of our members.

 

[GB2000]

Does it really matter who I am...when I made a generalized statement about the way you correspond with your subscribers..hmmm, I really do not think so. I just stated the obvious. You two are so wrapped up with your own personal feelings regarding the posts that have taken place, that you have forgotten how to remain professional.

Yes, it does matter who you are...kind of like when someone is in a car accident. Police officers like to know if any of their "impartial" witnesses who stepped forward are related or friends of one of the parties involved due to an obvious bias they will have while giving out their statement.

And as Kevin mentioned, Jon is not a subscriber/member. Daniel, however, is...or rather, was...and because we DO care about our members, we stepped up to investigate it to ensure our member was indeed in the wrong before simply taking Jon's word for it and wrongfully banning him. You know, if Jon had been honest about the whole ordeal from the get-go, none of this info would have ever come up. Especially after Daniel's response stated it was a failed partnership and he no longer uses that account. We would have just shrugged it off, said "Ok, we'll remove the account", emailed Jon to notify him of our actions, and bam...case closed.

But nope...instead Jon plays it off like this is just some random impostor...when he should have been able to deduce from the posts Daniel was making that he was indeed Rene (I'm not even 100% sure he ever mentioned his name was Daniel publicly...that's just the name he gave us on his new member survey...so that may not have even been information to sway Jon into thinking he was someone else).

All Jon would have had to do to avoid us investigating the situation would have been to say something along the lines of, "Hi...I'm Jon from WCR. I noticed a former employee of ours has an account on your website under the name of....yada yada yada. He's no longer authorized to use that account, could you please remove it and all the posts so we can create a legit account on there for our business." We then would have contacted Rene/Daniel in regards to the username change. When he replied saying it was a failed partnership, he doesn't use the account anymore...go ahead and delete it, we would have deleted it, emailed Jon back, and been done with it.

Honesty pays off. Really it does.

Instead we had to investigate to see what was up with this impostor and we ended up digging up way more dirt than we ever expected on Jon in the process.

 

[GB2000]

With that, I'm going to step out of this argument now...I've posted all the information I have in regards to everything as well as proven that my initial email response to Jon was in compliance with his request and quite professional IMO. If anyone needs any questions answered by me here in this thread later, you're more than welcome to email me at [email protected] and I'll respond to them. Otherwise, I've said my piece. Peace out.

 

[Prodigyitachi]

I knew Jon (the owner) and Rene (operator) from day one when I first started selling on forums. Filling orders sometimes for them and my business with Jon have been very smooth and great.

 

[Lucille]

Are West Coast Roaches, Westcoastroaches.com, and adminwestcoastroaches all one and the same?

 

[adminwestcoastroaches]

I only have access to adminwestcoastroaches. That's the only account I use to run promotions and advertisements on this site.

 

[Southern Wolf]

Are West Coast Roaches, Westcoastroaches.com, and adminwestcoastroaches all one and the same?

Adminwestcoastroahces has locked out the original owner / client westcoastroaches and is now running the site westcoastroaches.com

 

[adminwestcoastroaches]

Wolf you again make claims that you do not have all the facts for. I did not and will not disclose the full terms of any agreement between Rene and myself.

Rene never owned WestCoastRoaches.com . As I stated before. I owned the site and business and he was a box filler. When he couldn't fill the boxes, he was replaced.

Your making this out to be way more, and way bigger than it is.

You are injecting what you think as fact , and trying to make it fact when it is not fact.

At the very least you are committing defamation of character and slander with no concrete proof anything you say is fact other than twisting my forum posts around.

You have went even farther and posted your opinions on your site messages riddled with opinions that you have no data or facts to show your opinion is fact and nothing more than your opinion.