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What would you like in a show?

What would you like in a show

  • Good food at the show

    Votes: 34 31.5%
  • Nice, clean facility

    Votes: 67 62.0%
  • Larger variety in animals at show

    Votes: 89 82.4%
  • Reasonable price to get in

    Votes: 63 58.3%
  • Reasonable price for tables

    Votes: 58 53.7%
  • Ample parking

    Votes: 49 45.4%
  • Contests, lectures, presentations, etc.

    Votes: 42 38.9%
  • Dore prizes, raffles, give aways...

    Votes: 42 38.9%

  • Total voters
    108
Evan,
I too am a "night owl", I work nights and I love it! On the average day I get about 4-5 hours of sleep. Although my new puppy decides that is way too much for me to sleep! But the best part of sleeping the day away and staying up all night is NO tele-marketer phone calls!!! I can imagine that you can get all your cleaning and feeding done throught the night with no distractions. Plus your snakes are nocturnal as well so you can see them active during this time. Yeah drop me an e-mail when the show gets closer and I'll be more than happy to help you out!
 
Thanks Ken. That really is cool of you.

For everybody that has read any of this thread and not posted anything, come on. I know you have thoughts and ideas. I am really curious what you think. This is a really cool thread. One of the most enjoyable conversations I have ever had online. I love to get real, unfiltered opinions from people and I find online people are much more apt to speak their minds. Much more so than on the phone or in person. So positive or negative, if you want to mention the show or not, vendor or customer, dish baby, dish.

One of my least favorite things about shows, being that I drive 3-15 hours before I get there at 3-6am and then don't leave until 4-7pm, is an uncarpeted cement floor. Man, by the end of the day my feet and knees are dying. When I booked my own show, it had to carpeted. Plush it cuts down on the dust and makes the show look much nicer.

There have been times when I have run out to get Tylenol or something and I come back and can't park anywhere. That used to kill me at Orlando. I would end up being parked a week away and then would not be able to get a good loading spot when it was time to leave.

Well, I have spewed enough, somebody tell me what you think. Evan
 
I forgot to mention, thanks John. It all helps. Hopefully some other show promoters will read this thread and have something to think about. Evan
 
Hello Evan,

I have been to several shows and admit that addmission has not been a real problem. I didn't think the $15 price a Tinley was bad. Of course I always go to these shows with the intention of buying something. Some of the time I have a list of what I want and others I am just looking for something I don't already have. I did actually get VIP tickets for Tinley $100 apiece. The benefit was to be able to meet the vendors the night before and maybe set up a deal. We were also allowed to enter early each day. I conducted almost all my transactions prior to the general admission people being able to enter. I do think that the price of $100 was fairly high added to a 4 hour drive, 2 nights in a hotel, meals and of course a trip to the casino (girlfriends idea). and did have some affect on what I did purchase. Would I do it again? You bet. I have wanted to come to your show, but I think I am looking at and even longer drive. I have talked to you at several shows and I think you are one fo the good guys. You always answer questions and if not busy are willing to just chit chat. I have seen some of your animals and realize that they are excellent quality. I guess all this rambling was to lead to the thought that perhaps you would also consider VIP tickets with early addmission. I know most vendors at Tinley offered price breaks to VIp because the badges said "Vendor" on them. This I felt was great. Like I said I paid $100 for my pass and another 100 for my girlfriend but felt the discounts I received were greater than that $200. Sorry I took so mmuch time. Keep up the good work Evan.
 
Thanks George. I think your right. The VIP pass is a good idea. I don't know if it is $100 good idea, but something less definitely. I don't think there is any incentive to doing that at my show as it is so much smaller than Tinley. If you paid for a VIP pass to go to Tinley and there are 200-300 tables you feel like a kid in a candy store. At my show there are only about 60 tables. I think I would be taking advantage of people with that one. Maybe someday, who knows. Thanks for the kind words though. I appreciate them.

My theory is do a show that has enough stuff for people to make a day of it, but not so much that I don't know what's going on and can't police the quality of animals in the show and handle any problems anyone has personally. Big shows are great and certainly have they're place, but I am happy to do a smaller show knowing that every animal in the building is awesome, every vendor is taken care of and all the public see good stuff and leave happy. Those are my goals. Evan
 
Well Evan, if your VIP was 30 dollars or a bit more and I got in early with enough time to browse and deal, it would be worth it to me. I do like the idea of not having 20 people trying to push in front of me to look at the animal I am considering. I also like to talk to the vendor and having him able to take a few minutes to answer my questions. Not all vendors are like you and take the time to answer questions. I have had animals I was ready to purchase be sold out from under me because I was waiting for an answer about it and someone else said I will take that one. Of course that meant I have never even approached that vendor on any of his animals and most likely never will. His loss as I may have ended up being a very good customer considering I buy at least 20 or 30 animals a year. Not big by some standards but still a profitable customer. The part they will never realize is I am also one of the PR people for a herp club and have told many people why I don't buy from this person. Guess what? They don't buy from him either.
 
Not that this matters but the animal I was looking for that day was a high gold male BP. I left his table and bought one from you. I probablly made the better choice.
 
This is how I look at admission fees:

If you are having a 'reptile show' combined with a sale, then a $6.00 fee is a good idea because there is sort of an admission to the zoo type thing going on. If, on the other hand, you are only having a sale type event with no 'show" - and by this I mean the typical mislabelled Herp Show that should instead be labelled as a Herp Sale instead, well then I believe that you are a crook for charging an admission. Think of how you would feel if Home Depot started charging you $6.00 admission to their stores everytime you go to buy a gallon of paint but wind up spending an hour salivating over power tools. I think you would be pretty unhappy about it. That is the same way I feel when I go to an event advertised as a Reptile and Amphibian EXPO or Herp SHOW and all it consists of is vendors selling their animals. Just because it is commonly done like this does not make it right, the whole idea of charging admission for me to be able only to buy things and nothing else sucks.

I would much prefer to get what was advertised, and see a show or an expo when I pay for such. There are actual Herp Shows around the country that cyharge a flat admission rate and when you get in they actually have a show or some sort of non-commercial display in addition to vendors. These are the ones I much prefer to attend.
 
Glen,

I do understand what your are saying, but I also realize that there is a difference. In this case the promoter is funding the advertising, suppling the facility and all the extras. If he was charging a percent of all sales it would be more like Home Depot. They make their profit on each sale. Paying a small price to get all of these vendors in one place is not so bad. It also seems in most cases there is some fairness to the situation in as much as the larger show charge more but offer more selection to the buyer and charge more to be a vendor because they offer a larger group of buyers. I do know a few breeders who sell most of their animals in a few shows that they do each year. In my case I enjoy going to large shows and being able to purchase after comparing several options. With out the shows I would have to travel to several breeders or compare several adds in a classifieds site (which I do anyway). Just my opinion, but some food for thought.
 
Hey Glen, in every industry, at even the largest trade shows in the world wether product is for sale or just for show, the same formula is applied. Vendors rent space and guests pay admission. If there was no admission charge, the other side of that would be a poorly advertised show and a poor turnout. Even if it is free, people can't go if they are unaware that it is going on. And 100% on the broken Home Depot analogy, but more extreme. Home Depot gets 100% of every single sale in their store. I do not take one cent of the vendors sales at my show. Home Depot is also a multi billion dollar company now in all of North America. I am just one single working guy. Evan Stahl
 
my thoughts

As far as charging admission, it all depends on what the show offers. Perhaps quality of the show should be reflected in the admission price as well.

There was one time that me and my wife went to a show at a hotel down here in TX. We couldn't really see inside at the entrance, so we payed like $5.00 only to find a show containing about 10 tables, and not all of them had animals! Yes, that was too much for that experience!

The Houston shows in Tx always rule. Always clean, well organized, nice variety, and CB only. The Dallas shows ( Arlington mostly ) were a bit of a problem and as far as those shows are concerned, the only one I will ever go to is the ones run by Carl from Carl's Creepy Crawlies. The first one he had had all CB animals and was very clean, carpeted, and the breeders represented their animals well.

The nice shows here in Tx are around $5 or $6 admission.

The Daytona shows, for us, have been very enjoyable. Not only am I in snake heaven there from the worldwide variety of breeders there, but it is clean and CB. The price to get in was either $15 or $20 this past year ( 2002 ) and $20 in 2000 and 2001. That admission covered both days. That is a good deal!

The subject of security at shows has been on my mind. Do they have people that do just that at shows in other cities? Maybe even having them wear a SECURITY shirt. Perhaps that would deter some thefts? I have a good buddy that has had to deal with people trying to take things off his table, and pulling some sort of switch-a-roo trick with handing them money. If there is maybe one security guy on each side of the show ( if it is a big show ), that would help when things start to happen.

OR....making sure there are people to check animals at the exit door, complete with a sticker for proof of purchase. Some shows here have that, but do all?

Food.....down here at the local shows , that really doesn't matter to us. In Daytona though, the food court was nice and set aside from the show. It was typical stadium food. Sharing pretzyls ( ? ) with my wife just to get through the day and drinking hotter than freak coffee as I look upon my newly found pituophis additions to my family, somehow that feels great! At times like that, life is good.

If it were up to me, I prefer CB only shows. There may be some that get away with it at these shows I like, but nevertheless, to me, having CB is best. It really is a disservice to fellow breeders when some guy trucks in a batch of tick and mite infested wild caughts or infested cb's, and puts other people's animals in jeopardy. One breeder that I have done business with was at a local show and put his hand down on a table. He felt something, looked at his hand, and it was COVERED with mites! Yes, he packed up his animals and left.

Not letting people off the street to come in and sell their animals is a good idea. Allowing it is very rude to the breeders that made your show to begin with.

Carpeting would be preferred, as it tends to wear the feet down if it was concrete. Heck, the certain shows I don't go to anymore here, the hotel ballroom floor the show was in was covered in a clear plastic tarp. I felt like I was walking in sand or 3 feet of snow, with the plastic all around my ankles.

Proper advertising should be a big goal and reason for success at the shows. You can't control people's buying impulsed, but the more people that know about the show, the more potential there is for money to be made on both sides, thus everyone is happy.

My idea for a perfect show would have only pituophis and alterna, and 500 tables of just that!
:D

Take care!

Billy Fraser
 
In regards to admission, I think a $5-$7 entrance fee is fair for the average local show and something around $50-$75 per table for vendors. There are very few shows I attend in this area that I would pay over $7 to get into or more than $70 for a table for a vendor. The really large shows would of course be an exception. I don't often go to a show with the express intent to buy something, at least not a particular animal. Mostly I'm going to look for cages, cage furniture, or other supplies. If I find an animal that I want or that I've been looking for, I'll usually get it but I don't go with the express intent to buy X animal. There's always a lot of stuff I want, but that doesn't always mean I buy it right then and there.

From a vendor standpoint, I don't mind those who just come to browse. I provide business cards to those who want them, even if they don't buy anything right then. Last August was my first show (Northern VA Reptile Expo), selling jewelry I make and helping my best friend sell her litter of boas. I have another show with the same group this Saturday, also to sell my jewelry. Hopefully by their May show in Richmond VA, I'll have some baby boas to sell as well. The point is, I hear from people who pick up my cards after the shows have come and gone. There's always contacts to be made and future sales that are a possibility.

While I like the idea of having some type of simple food court available (though I usually bring my own lunch), I also think it should be completely seperate from the show area itself. The whole salmonella, or other potential bacteria, viruses, etc. are something to keep in mind. And let's face it, with all the anti-herp sentiment around these days, it's better to err on the side of caution.

For me, the most important things at a show from the perspective of a buyer are cleanliness and quality of the animals and a little variety. I don't have a problem with healthy, clean imports though I prefer captive bred in most cases. And I also don't want to go to a show that's all corn snakes and leopard geckos - which, though I like those types of animals, that's not all I come to look for. While I may not go with the express intent to buy something, you can guaranty I won't if there's nothing to choose from.

With the whole mite issue, as a vendor, I took preventative measures last year to protect my friend's stock. We pre-treated our table cloth with Provent-A-Mite to help deflect any of the little multi-legged devils and made sure anyone handling her stock at least used hand sanitizer - before and after. It isn't foolproof, but it limits problems. Ideally, no one would come in with parasite infested animals, but with reality in mind, we try to prepare as best we can for it.

Hmmm, that's the best I can come up with right now. :)

Dianne
 
Here is another thought I had: I do shows all the time and other vendors and their customers constantly interupt me talking to my customers to ask me to sex a snake for them, put aside the fact for a moment that I really believe that most show vendors do not have enough knowledge or experience to do what they do and we will stay with the problem itself.

What if you had a booth at shows that was staffed by a couple people who were very qualified and good at sexing snakes? You could have two people at a table and they could charge a couple bucks to make it worth their while and sex snakes for people. I don't know if it is a good idea at a bigger show were egos are easily bruised but at most shows I think it would be a great thing to do.

Just this weekend I was at a show and a customer brought a snake to me that had just been sexed by a guy who used to be a veteranarian. It was sexed wrong. Even at 50/50 odds people crap out all the time. Any thoughts? Evan
 
You know Evan.....that is a great idea!!!!!!!!! Why don't you start having that at your shows? :D

Charge a buck or two for each snake. Perhaps from a customer's point of view, seeing a booth totally dedicated to sexing snakes would probably be a good idea. Try it for a few shows and see what happens!

Take care!
Billy Fraser
 
Hey Evan,
A little off topic here, but I am trying to find someone who can teach me how to sex snakes. Since your not really that far away from me, I was wondering if you could teach me? Heck I could grab a case of cold ones and come down for a day of snake sexing...That is if you be interested in teaching a new dog old tricks...:beer:
 
Hey Ken, I don't know how good a teacher I am but I can try. Evan

another thought I had, that I did at my show because I wish people would do at other shows, was sell general supplies to the public. I had styros and heat packs and stuff like that. So many people get animals at shows in the summer and winter and they die in the car. Vendors are always stingy with their styros because they have to repack. So I think somebody shouyld always have stuff like that and deli cups and snake bags, etc. Evan
 
Snake sexing??? man you guys are sick man just sick;)
as far as admission , look at it like this ....you pay 10 bucks to see a movie for a memory so why not pay 5-10 bucks to see some herps for a possible purchase
 
Hi,
1. Where and when?

2. I do not care how much a show is...the only thing I care about is ....Is it big enough? I like them big. I like to spend the whole day looking at animals. I hate going to a show and looking at the same 10 vendors over and over.

For a huge show or a smaller one with lots of quality animals. I would pay a kings ransom....or sneak in the back door(just kidding)
 
another thought I had, that I did at my show because I wish people would do at other shows, was sell general supplies to the public. I had styros and heat packs and stuff like that. So many people get animals at shows in the summer and winter and they die in the car. Vendors are always stingy with their styros because they have to repack. So I think somebody shouyld always have stuff like that and deli cups and snake bags, etc. Evan
That is a good idea Evan. When I first got started I was trying to find info on how to ship and where to get the supplies. Then I looked at the prices and realized it was not worth my money to invest a huge chunk of change to ship one animal a year. Well now it is a little different since I breed some of these bad boys. But when I was just collecting animals it was hard to find supplies.
 
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