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When Good Guys Go Bad, pt2.

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Well, here we go again! Another person I once considered a good guy, now gone bad.  

Chad Fuchs, CF Snakes, [email protected] & [email protected]. From WI.

Did a deal or 2 with Chad back in '98-'99, and kept in touch over the years. No major complaints or problems. Happy, happy, happy!  

October of '01, Chad and I agree to a breeding loan, splitting offspring 50/50. I send him my female 10/16, he recieves it the 17th. A month later, Chad purchases 2 heating elements from me. Money exchanged, items shipped. No problems.  
 February, I drop him an email to say "Hi". Recieve reply. April thru May, attempt to contact him, NO replies. Finally, end of June, I learned he had changed email addresses and promptly write him. I heard back 2 days later, and was informed that my female had laid eggs May 21st, due to hatch end of July.  

First week of August, I contact Chad. I am told the eggs still have a few weeks to hatch! I give him the benefit of the doubt.  

First week of Sept., I write him again. This time I am told still a few weeks! Once again, I don't question him.
Well, here we are over a year later and Chad as never once contacted me first, nor has he kept me informed. My last email was sent to him 8 days ago, requesting my female back. No reply.  

My questions to Chad; what went wrong buddy? Are you bitter about something? Greed?  This is totally unlike you. You have always had a very good repore in this hobby. Now you go and do this.

As always, nothing but the facts, which can be backed by all emails. In this deal we are talking a little bit more money, $150-1500! It all depended on wether my female proved to be a het albino or not.  

Another sad day in the land of the snake. What has become of this hobby??
 
I can't comment on your particular situation, but I can say that I did a couple of shows with Chad this year and found him to be nothing but a great guy.  He has beautiful snakes and he's as honest as they come.  I can say that your chances of getting ahold of him during the waterfowl season in WI are quite low.  If you're trying to reach him right now, check the local ponds.

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I've known Chad a long time. I like Chad a lot. I don't think he would ever intentionally cheat anyone. Not being able to get a hold of him is nothing new. On top of him moving recently, he goes on many hunting trips and is not home.

I say this for the umteenth time on this board though: I VERY STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT NOBODY EVER DO A BREEDER LOAN UNLESS THEY BOTH SIT DOWN WITH EITHER AN ATTORNEY AND/OR WITNESSES AND DOCUMENT EVERYTHING. I have done many breeder loans with friends and very few have went well. Some have jeopardized the friendships. Don't do it. Evan Stahl
 
Don and Evan.... there is NO excuse for what Chad is doing! If Chad has a snake on breeder loan, it is up to HIM to keep the other person informed as to what's going on! What you (Don) have laid out for us is truly pathetic!
Evan is absolutely correct.... I just stated that same thing in an earlier thread! If you're going to do a trade, breeder loan, etc.... first of all.... DON'T DO IT! But, if you MUST.... get a hand written, SIGNED AND NOTARIZED letter (sent to YOU snail mail and NOT email) describing the whole account of what will happen IF.... and there will be A LOT of IF's!!
Sorry, Don.... I hope this all works out for you in the long run, but, I'm sure you're probably a little gun shy by now.... and I don't blame you for being upset!
I'll say it again.... YOU NEVER KNOW A PERSON UNTIL SOMETHING GOES WRONG!

....Neil
 
Chad is a great guy. As for greed ?? Chad is one of the people who do this for the love of the animals. He has a job, and money does not facter into his hobby like others. If you ask anyone in the upper midwest you will find find only kind words. Yes, Chad and I have traveled to some shows together this year. He is not only a great guy, but a good friend

Jim Stelpflug
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Jim,
Great news!! Since he is such a good friend of yours, you can tell him I am beyond pissed, and have lost all respect for him. Oh, I want my female Hogose back too. Have a wonderful day..
Don
 
First off, Chad and I are childhood friends and he is one of the greatest people in this hobby.  Not only in the hobby but as a person!  He has NEVER wronged ANYBODY on a deal and I would follow him into a ball of fire if he told me he knew what he was doing.  Don, you have 100% lost your mind, even more then I've thought in the past (provided you're the Don M. in Phoenix) if you think Chad has ripped you off.  I know you're a hot headed SOB so go to town on me but you couldn't be any more wrong on this one.

Neil, you and I talked on the phone so I know you're okay but stay the FU$K out of this if you don't know what you're talking about!  You're talking a ton of stupid #### here and you must not know Chad so pipe down.  If you're not smart enough to understand that stories have two sides and you must and can only look at the negitive, then jump off a bridge and stop bringing the happy good natured people down.

This is Duck hunting season so if you know Chad you know you're not going to reach him anyplace you try.  I would consider myself one of Chads best friends and it would take me a month to reach him right now.

You should have contacted Chad and not brought this up like a child in public.  I can tell you with almost 100% fact there will not be one other person in this thread that knows or has done business with Chad and has a bad word to say.

Now flame the hell out of me and let's see how far off the topic I can get you all to take that!

Adios, Oh and with love cause I'm so sweet;)
Adam Block
 
Adam, Adam, Adam...you truly are amazing! I love the way you make Chad out to be the KING of all that is good. Well, I got some news for you, Sir Chad is not perfect! As I stated before, at won time I would never have talked crap about him. Him, and nobody but him changed that.

I have NEVER once post anything but the FACTS about anybody on this board, this instance is no different. I ALWAYS have the proof to back me, as I do this time.  You and his other butt buddies can defend him all you want, means nothing. Facts, thats all that matters.  

 I understand he is out killing Daffy and Donald this time of year, but what about this past Spring and Summer?? I know, he was busy with his move, school and work. Pretty pathetic! Sure has enough time to attend shows and post ads on Kingsnake, but not enough time to stay in contact? How do you explain that?  

 I suggest you get your head out of your @$$, and stop defending him concerning a deal you have no clue about. Did he ever say anything about doing a breeding loan with me? I doubt it. I can't wait to hear his explanation, wether it be on here, or by email. I can only imagine what he will say, but once again, the facts speack for themselves. I know, it might be, "my computer was down" or "email wasnt working". I can't wait.

So Adam, go crawl back under your rock. Better yet, contact Sir Chad, and lets get his side of this "story". I will not rest, until this is settled, this post was only the begining. No threats, just promises.  I'm all ears, waiting to hear from Almighty, Lord of Humanity, Sir Chad...

Oh, one more thing, I will not be replying to anymore pathetic attempts to defend  Sir Chad, unless they come from him directly. TTFN, Get a life,

The one and only,(good thing)
Don Mercer
 
Regardless of the situation, it is 100% always a bad idea and derrogotory to the whole purpose for this board to have people name calling and slinging insults on here. Both Adam and Don, you need to step back and keep the focus clear.

Don has an issue with Chad. He has brought it here stating the facts about his case and is due a reply from Chad. It is good of you, Adam, to "testify" to Chad's character, as I also have done in this thread, but it is not your place to attack Don or to make accusations about the dealings between Don and Chad. That is between them.

We all hopefully try to conduct ourselves in a fair and responsible way but we all make mistakes. I know that Chad is out duck hunting as he had to decline doing my show this weekend to go. But he does need to explain to Don why he has been out of touch all year if that is true. Chad is a big boy and when he gets home I'm sure he will take care of this. Until then, this thread has nowhere to go as he won't have any computer access for a couple weeks. Evan Stahl
 
I don't post much on this board but I do have to say that I am sometimes baffled by people's posts.  The original post gave specific facts of a specific negative event that occurred.  If true, the event clearly shows the dealer in question to be unscrupulous.  The way to refute this allegation is to challenge the truthfulness of the story or present a cradible reason why the obligation was not fulfilled, not to post a bunch of posts that essentially just say "I know he's honest and could never have done this" or "he's a good friend of mine".  People who are nice sometimes engage in dealings that are bad - very bad.  And most who are not scrupulous don't necessarily give off the air of being so. To the contrary, they usually portray themselves as honest.  I am maybe particularly sensitive in this case, because I personally know of 2 people who have recently had very negative dealings with CF Snakes.  These cases coupled with the recent post that details specifics of a deal gone bad carry a lot more weight than a defense that says "BUT HE'S A NICE GUY."
 
You mentioned "a case", well with a case there's a jury, judge and a lawer.  In this forum there are a lot of people who act like their crap don't stink and they do no wrong.  The LAST think somebody EVER should do if there is something posted about them is to post in their own defense.  Their words will be distorted and taken out of context.  Any good reason they have for what they did WILL NOT be heard and thought about fairly.

Don I haven't seen you around for some time so I don't know what to say about you as it looks like you registered just to make this post.  From things I've seen you say in the past I have to question your character as I think it's you who was racially slamming some guy in Miami who had an issue with you.  If that wasn't you then I'm sorry but if that was you're a total prick and I would consider ever word that comes out of your mouth as either a lie or total BULL.  Maybe I'll look around and share with the board the was you spoke about this fellow.

Chad is a good guy, if you haven't spoken with him then don't speak about him.  EVERYBODY in here who knows Chad will say the same thing.  If you have 10 people that know him say he's good and 5 who don't say he's wrong and then Don who does that make you think may be in the wrong?

Adam Block
 
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Last time I checked Don just posted facts as he saw it.
Adam you are totally defending Chad.....and we have not even heard his story.
I personally think this is quite okay because he is your friend.

But if anyone else defended their "friend" without hearing their side of the story.  You would automatically accuse them of being in a clique.

Another do as Adam Block says and not as he does.
 
Wait,
wasn't it Adam Block who says you should not post in a thread unless you are involved?

Gee Adam, I did not think you were involved in the deal between Don and Chad were you?

Another do as Adam Block says and not as he does.
 
Um Ritchie, I think it was don't post if you don't know the person.  But that wouldn't have fit into your game plan now would it.  As for the clicks?  Um, where again did I have an issue with that?  Ritchie, really, it's nice to have another groupie but come on now.

Thanks for turning another post into me:)

Adam Block

PS Ever notice you guys can't stay focused on the issues?  Am I really that mesmerizing to you all that you can't keep your comments about me in the posts about me?  How many posts have you turned into Adam Block posts cause you all can't stay on track?  I'm the dumb one but you're all doing exactly what I want.  LOL  Too funny...
 
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Perhaps you have so many personalities that you can't keep track.

Let me show you where you had an issue with "cliques"
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Gambino you are a very stupid man for trying to bring your points up on here.  They are not in line with the others and for that reason would have to be wrong.  The only other option would be for some of the other regular posters to be wrong and we all know that couldn't be an option.

This board is a very good thing if you do what others want.  If you don't, consider yourself a bleeding pig in a river full of piranha.  You will be eaten alive with no regard for you side of the story and there will be no accountability for their words.

Remember, this board exactly like a court of law without the right to a fair trial.  Being innocent until proven guilty or a right to any type of defense.

My words of wisdom for posting in here are to post one time in a topic and run so your words can only be twisted once.  It also makes it easy on the people that are dodging your questions as they only get asked once and if three of four times it gets harder to avoid the question.

Good luck all, and please note I didn't read pages 2-8 however I agree with the mainstream 100% and I'm sure the prick that started this thread was way out of line.

The outcast,
Adam Block

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Okay, and your point is what?  I don't say I have an issue with the click I only pointed them out.  They're fine with me as I see them for people who can't speak for themself, only further driving home my points.

Thanks for backing me up,
Adam Block
 
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