Where is.....

[coyote]

Nicolai
I just noticed that you did give an answer to my question. Thank you.

 

[Chris Kennard]

That was directed at Cat as the quotes were hers.

 

[nicolai]

I have read it..

Seriously folks, call up the display of Wes's warnings and take a look yourself. This pretense of trying to make Wes Pollock into the injured Mr. Innocent here is laughable to the extreme.
Do you all just like hearing me repeat myself?

I in no way think that wes is innocent or a saint by any means. Did i think that he earned most of the warning points and fines he got, you bet. Were there a few that were questionable, you bet. I read most of what happened here and know that he got under your skin a lot, and know that he had a hard time doing what you asked him to do. Maybe he felt a little self intitlement for be one of the people at the forefront on the BOI. Maybe he thought you wouldnt ever find that last straw that broke the camels back. Maybe he was just sick of the site and where it was going and actually wanted to get banned from here, i dont know what his true motives were as none of us do.
I am just in the opinion that he did more good then harm. This whole thread might be a futile fight for nothing as he may not even want to come back here. there are only a few possible outcomes from this.

1) Wes doesn't want to come back - end of story
2) Wes does want to come back but we dont raise the money - end of story
3) Wes does want to come back and we raise the money - fauna has a little more money for whatever is needed
4) You change your mind again and decide not to let him back no matter what - end of story.

In my opinion #3 benefits you and fauna the most but in the end no matter which option plays out it will not matter to you one way or another, you have neither lost nor gained anything if things just stay the way they are. If #3 actually does play out I hope he will be a little more careful on the site about following the rules because at $1,000.00 for 100 points works out to be 10.00 a point everytime he disobeys the rules again.

 

[critical bill]

The bottom line for me is that a ton of bad bad people in this industry stayed far far away from coming here with the likes of Wes around. Those that came around were chased and those that stuck around were not made to feel confortable or welcome at all. I would imagine there were even a few that even stopped to think about scamming someone for fear they would wind up here with Wes or similar posse to deal with. Why was it so important for Niel Gubitz to prove to Wes that Sal Tornambe, his partner, was changing his ways and paying off his old debts? Why? Because of Wes. Thats why. They were out to prove something to him. He hounded them to do the right thing over and over again. Those days are over now. Even with the rump kickers that still remain you wont be seeing much rump kicking at all. Why bother? I know I'm not going to risk being able to obtain the valuable information I need or sacrifice the money I could make or chat with folks I've come to be friendly with. For what? To be fined and banned for helping in way that is completely necessary for some individuals? Sometimes the only way to get to the truth is to beat it out of a person using tactics that Wes was a master at. Period.

Lets not forget the personal trips he made to sellers homes because they wouldn't meet their end of the obligation...just to help out a fellow member. If it was within his realm of possibility to help you you didn't have to ask. He's done his fair share if not more to give this site its credibility.

I wouldn't pay a dime for him to come back, I want compensation for his absence as should every member on the long list he's helped.

 

[critical bill]

I wouldn't pay a dime for him to come back, I want compensation for his absence as should every member on the long list he's helped.

Ok ok I'll kick in $100. Its worth that to see a few bona fide turds go back under their rock.

 

[Jim O]

you came on here being unprovoked personally and insinuated that I was being sarcastic.

Only because you were being exactly that. Do you watch football? The guy holding his hands up as if he never touched anyone is usually the one who committed the most blatant of fouls when you watch the replay. That's you. I have no beef with you, just telling it like I see it.


Here's a nice definition of sarcasm:

A cutting, often ironic remark intended to wound.

Now, what you said:

And there ya have it folks. Surely such a popular fella has fifty supporters who are willing to cough up twenty bucks to get him back in here. Put your money where your mouths are!

Splain me Lucy how that is not sarcasm.

 

[critical bill]

Splain me Lucy how that is not sarcasm.

Ahhh yes...this very thing you comment on that Wes would have curbed with this Chris fellow most immediately....and with just one word.

Can you guess that word Chris?

 

[nicolai]

hahaha

I agree with every thing you just said in that post...BUT...

I wouldn't pay a dime for him to come back, I want compensation for his absence as should every member on the long list he's helped.

You know what the chance of this happening are? As a business view this would be completely out of the picture for Rich. Maybe all the people that Wes helped out over the years with those personal visits and the help on the BOI would be willing to kick in a few dollars as well. Rich stated that this site is handled as a business and we must remember that. As a business the site needs the people that help keep it free of the scammers that would want to ruin the reputation of this business.
A lot of people take me the wrong way as I always speak my mind no matter what and sometimes i might come across as being abrupt or insensitive or even obnoxious at times, but at least they know where i stand. My stand on this issue is plain as day, I like WES and want to see him back on this site and am willing to kick in a few bucks to get him back here. If they don't understand my opinion after all the explaining i have done on this thread i guess they never will.



The Man on the white horse comes to aid us in our time of need, racing in to help us on his gallant white steed, for he always has our back in a fight, he is there to help us turns the wrongs to right.

 

[nicolai]

Ok ok I'll kick in $100. Its worth that to see a few bona fide turds go back under their rock.

well the list grows.

nicolai - 40.00
Jimo - 50.00
Chris K - 20.00
bill L - 100.00

ttl = 210.00

Hmmm...I am beggining to wonder if all those doubters will be proved wrong. A few people might just have a little egg on thier face when all this is finished playing out. I guess friendship and the need for someone like WES here does have a value to some people.

 

[Chris Kennard]

Serious misconceptions....

Chuck,

The bottom line for me is that a ton of bad bad people in this industry stayed far far away from coming here with the likes of Wes around.

That's just ludicrous. People stay away from here to avoid incriminating themselves if they have done wrong. If they stay away due to Wes, it's because they're disgusted with his puerile arrogance. I think the latter is a stretch as it is always entertaining to watch Wes make a mockery of himself.

Those that came around were chased and those that stuck around were not made to feel confortable or welcome at all. I would imagine there were even a few that even stopped to think about scamming someone for fear they would wind up here with Wes or similar posse to deal with.

WO-H-H-OW! That's quite a statement. Perhaps his speudonym should be Clark Kent! I've got news for ya'. A scammer is a scammer is a scammer. Wes nor anyone else can make a leopard change his spots. Let's not lose sight of the fact that Wes created more turmoil than solutions, thus the excessive warnings, points, fines and suspensions. Oh, and ultimately, his banning. Or do you think his insubordination is a figment of webslaves imagination?

Why was it so important for Niel Gubitz to prove to Wes that Sal Tornambe, his partner, was changing his ways and paying off his old debts? Why? Because of Wes. Thats why. They were out to prove something to him. He hounded them to do the right thing over and over again.

Do you really believe that Gubitz or Sal give two cents about what Wes thinks of them? Do you honestly think those guys have changed there spots? I doubt it. Perhaps you could ask Gubitz and Sal yourself. I'd be interested to hear their reply.

Those days are over now. Even with the rump kickers that still remain you wont be seeing much rump kicking at all. Why bother? I know I'm not going to risk being able to obtain the valuable information I need or sacrifice the money I could make or chat with folks I've come to be friendly with. For what? To be fined and banned for helping in way that is completely necessary for some individuals? Sometimes the only way to get to the truth is to beat it out of a person using tactics that Wes was a master at. Period.

Is that what you think this site is all about? Rump kicking? This paragraph is an insult to this sight and those who work hard to make it what it is. Let me remind you that the BOI wasn't developed to police scoundrels, but to expose good and bad ethics used by dealers so that people would be able to decide for themselves whether or not it is worth the risk to do business with them. Wes' "tactics" that he was apparently a "master" of, lol, were nothing to be proud of...period.

 

[Chris Kennard]

Okay Jim....

A cutting, often ironic remark intended to wound.

And there ya have it folks. Surely such a popular fella has fifty supporters who are willing to cough up twenty bucks to get him back in here. Put your money where your mouths are!

I see absolutely no statement here that is cutting, ironic or meant to wound. You are reaching. In viewing the posts here, I see no reason, unless you all are blowing smoke, to believe that it can't be done and even offered the last twenty if it reaches $980. I hope I've "splained" myself to your satisfaction.
I have no beef with you either, so please don't take this personally, but the football analogy was ridiculous and....uh-oh....quite SARCASTIC, lol.

 

[coyote]

Wow! And to think this all began as an innocent inquiry.

this=this thread

 

[PaulSage]

Speaking of irony, isn't it funny how Wes can have such a vital role in this episode of Fauna Drama when he isn't even on the set?

 

[nicolai]

Ok Chris

Chuck,
That's just ludicrous. People stay away from here to avoid incriminating themselves if they have done wrong. If they stay away due to Wes, it's because they're disgusted with his puerile arrogance. I think the latter is a stretch as it is always entertaining to watch Wes make a mockery of himself.

Thats sorta of like saying you and Mr. Dunlevy make a mockery of yourselves isnt it. Is this a little bit of fustration on your part over WES bringing up your partnership and doings with MR. Dunlevy??

I've got news for ya'. A scammer is a scammer is a scammer. Wes nor anyone else can make a leopard change his spots.

Yes but he can make sure the leopard isnt trying to pass himself off as a lion or a cheetah.

Let's not lose sight of the fact that Wes created more turmoil than solutions, thus the excessive warnings, points, fines and suspensions. Oh, and ultimately, his banning. Or do you think his insubordination is a figment of webslaves imagination?

No one is disputing his warnings or suspensions or fines are they?? This is about some of us wanting him back. If Rich is willing to let him come back as a good business decision why do you think he is wrong?Why is it that you are so dead set against him coming back. Maybe we will let WES answer that question.

Do you really believe that Gubitz or Sal give two cents about what Wes thinks of them?

I never got into the neil -sal thing so i dont have anything to say about that. But most people did care about what WES said and respected what he said because 99% of the time he was proved right in the end.

Is that what you think this site is all about? Rump kicking? This paragraph is an insult to this sight and those who work hard to make it what it is.

The BOI doesnt need rump kicking?? So people like Ritchie Luna are just wasting thier time there trying to uncover the frauds and scammers??Hmmm I wonder why some people don't really want the likes of WES and Ritchie on the BOI???

Let me remind you that the BOI wasn't developed to police scoundrels, but to expose good and bad ethics used by dealers so that people would be able to decide for themselves whether or not it is worth the risk to do business with them. Wes' "tactics" that he was apparently a "master" of, lol, were nothing to be proud of...period.

How exactly are the people that aren't familiar with the industry supposed to figure out who the good guys and bad guys are? How are the people that get ripped off going to get help on the BOI if it weren't for the "butt Kickers"? How are the innocent supposed to "decide if it is worth the risk of doing business"
with someone if they dint know all the facts??

What is your motive here Chris? Do you have something on your mind that you would like to tell everyone?

 

[Jim O]

I see absolutely no statement here that is cutting, ironic or meant to wound. You are reaching. In viewing the posts here, I see no reason, unless you all are blowing smoke, to believe that it can't be done and even offered the last twenty if it reaches $980. I hope I've "splained" myself to your satisfaction.
I have no beef with you either, so please don't take this personally, but the football analogy was ridiculous and....uh-oh....quite SARCASTIC, lol.

Yup, it was sarcasm, but I didn't take exception to your statement. I just called it as I saw it. Still do. As for what I said, I don't see it as sarcastic, but here's some:

Perhaps show your statement to a few of your friends and ask them, as you evidently have little ability to be objective about your own self. Either that or you are a...uh oh...a LIAR. Frankly, I have no dog in that fight either.

 

[nicolai]

Chris, instead of us ending up arguing this in a offtopic manner please just PM me about anything personal or such as it should be kept in private. Anything that is thread relevant concerning Wes and his reinstatement and such please post.
Lets keep all the personal issues as just that as webslave wont tolerate any personal conflicict on the forums.

 

[WebSlave]

Well said, Nicolai. My trigger finger is getting itchy.....

 

[nicolai]

hmm

Well said, Nicolai. My trigger finger is getting itchy.....

Are you holding the single shot 22 pistol (to get the single offender), the semi-automatic m-16 (to get a few with a few pulls of the trigger) or the double barrelled shot gun loaded with scatter shot (to get as many as possible). to put the riot down as fast as possible??

 

[critical bill]

Yup...exactly what Nick said. No need for me to reply.

This is pretty much a dead issue anyway. The question was answered...wheres Wes...and we now know where he is, where he belongs, but sadly isnt. I felt satisfied with sitting out in protest for 48 hours in honor and recognition of his contributions. I might do it again on a seperate thread for other members like Robin S whom I miss and that should be here.

Does that burn a few hineys? Haha...who cares....Haha. If you cant kick em then light em on fire!

 

[WebSlave]

Yup...exactly what Nick said. No need for me to reply.

This is pretty much a dead issue anyway. The question was answered...wheres Wes...and we now know where he is, where he belongs, but sadly isnt. I felt satisfied with sitting out in protest for 48 hours in honor and recognition of his contributions. I might do it again on a seperate thread for other members like Robin S whom I miss and that should be here.

Does that burn a few hineys? Haha...who cares....Haha. If you cant kick em then light em on fire!

Oh, you were gone? Sorry, I didn't notice..... But I'm sure it helped Wes out. Yes, I'm definitely sure of that.........

If you want I will send you the entire list of people on suspension and you can sit out in protest for 48 hours for each and every one of them.

As for my choice of weaponry, you all don't know me very well, do you? Barrett M82A1, man. That's the ticket.