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Jim...

This isn't Hell. Posting a direct link to that post in this thread gives Wes a voice in this arena. As far as I'm concerned, I think it is incriminating to him and shows how immature he is. I hope it doesn't get axed, at least not until all you fans get to read it and applaud, and the rest of us get to reminisce and rejoice.
 
hahahaha

Jim O said:
:bawling: :bawling: :bawling: There are no rules in Hell. :>poke2<:


You kill me jim, I needed a laugh. I wonder how many of the People that are friends of WES'S just paid the 10.00 to join hell and read that post?? Bet there was a spike in rich's paypal account!!! I wonder who the first person will be that gets caught passing around something from hell gets caught and fined or suspended for it. Rich made it very clear when he started hell as a "pay for" forum that you cant take anything from there outside of it by any means.

I enjoy this whole thread just talking about WES, makes it feel like the old days. If rich does get the $1,000.00 for wes's reinstatement I hope he uses a little of the money to pay the programmer to straighten out the bug with the hell forum so people who are banned or only wish to join that forum no others can do so. It would be money well spent.
 
what...

Chris Kennard said:
This isn't Hell. Posting a direct link to that post in this thread gives Wes a voice in this arena. As far as I'm concerned, I think it is incriminating to him and shows how immature he is. I hope it doesn't get axed, at least not until all you fans get to read it and applaud, and the rest of us get to reminisce and rejoice.


Did i miss something...Who posted a direct link to that thread in this thread??? I hope you are mistaken about that comment.
 
thanks laura!!!!!!
its adding up!!!!


Nicolai - 40.00
chuck - 100.00
bill - 50.00
Chris K - 20.00
laura - 50.00

ttl = $260.00
 
nicolai said:
Did i miss something...Who posted a direct link to that thread in this thread??? I hope you are mistaken about that comment.

Obviously he mistook the link to hell in your signature area to be a link within your post..given it mentioned hell.

But Chris seems a bit strung out at the moment and he's agreed to go away in an effort to allow the thread to remain on topic...so lets let him. ;)
 
critical bill said:
Sure you did. Yours is one of the hineys that evidently got burnt.

Oh really? In what way? Seriously I never noticed you were gone, and I suspect few, if any, others did as well. Do you really think you made a blip anywhere? I think you severely overestimate the magnitude of your presence here.....

nicolai said:
I wonder how many of the People that are friends of WES'S just paid the 10.00 to join hell and read that post?? Bet there was a spike in rich's paypal account!!!

Well that's an easy one to answer. Pick a whole number between -1 and +1. That is exactly the number of people who have signed up to view what you posted from Wes.

I haven't read your PM yet, but I will get to it shortly.......
 
OK I read your PM, nicolai. Sure you can post Wes's message here. This is not the BOI......
 
Thanks rich..

WebSlave said:
OK I read your PM, nicolai. Sure you can post Wes's message here. This is not the BOI......

Wes Email...This is wes's email in its entirety as he wished it be:

Here's my take on this and I'm just writing as it comes to me as I really havne't given it exclusive thought as of yet.

First off, let me thank those of you who have come to my support however it may have been done. I am sincerely appreciative and humbled by your care.

Second, I hold no personal animosity for Rich or Fauna. There are some on his staff with whom I would not share a drink, but there are many not on his staff that fit that profile so no great loss there. I do take issue but hold no grudges for the way I have been awarded points. However, I also expect just what happened and allow as how most of them were deserved.

Let's address the issue of Rich and what he should do with my Wilomn Character on his site. Is it his fault that he allowed me 186 warning points? Yes. Is it my fault for getting them? Yes, but not all my points were deserved. I stand firmly behind this and even so I have NEVER asked that a single point be removed. Now because HE was not strong THEN I have to be the example. I pushed, he retreated. UNTIL he didn't want to retreat anymore.

I wonder if I could have been doing what I did on purpose? hmmmmm

Rich, you keep referring to the 40 or so infractions I was awarded points for. Well and good, my little compadre, well and good. How many, my statistical wizard, just what was the actual NUMBER OF POSITIVE posts did I have? How many times did the Faithful Fauna Readers agree with me by giving my positive feedback in the form of Karma points?

Several hundred, was it not? How many others even came close to that? If we're going to be looking at statistics, let's look at ALL of them that are relevant, shall we?

Would I come back if enough want was generated to meet Rich's new fine catagory?

It's an interesting question.

If I did it would not be the same.

The WildWest is dead; the railroad has reamed a new bed for it's tracks and the engine is piloted by folks with whom I'd not sit to dinner. There is a bias here, or there, meaning fauna. The crybaby syndrome is still serious if I'm any judge of human nature and character. The "rules'' are still being arbitrarily enforced and made up to suit the needs of the moment. There are lines Rich is willing to draw, for me anyway, and yet there is obvious trash that is there; some of it in residence on someone else's nickle but trash none the less.I guess some lines are not so easy to draw. There is favoritism and bias shown, sometimes to me, I'll not deny that but I also NEVER asked for it, but if there IS a REAL line, then there should be NONE; if one is above others are below and equality so often spoken of is relentlessly and uselessly persued.

And, despite, or perhaps inspite of all the above, IF I was wanted back badly enough and my return was not fettered in anyway that everyone else was not subject to, I would return.

Some like kunny, er an-al's ponypal kunny, oops, er I mean chris kennard, may well be surprised at my return. As always, their concern has NEVER been of any concern to me.

How big is that stack of silver platters chris? More on that later IF I return.

Rich could also, as king, simply say that he was wrong and that my banning was not meant to be forever and now, properly chastined, I am allowed access to the realm subject to its rules and regulations. Chances are, since his cabinet consists of only TWO reliable advisors, he will not be able to utilize this option. It would be my preferrd method of return, but I never counted is as a real possibility.

Rich has opted to make it a business arrangement. This is fine, as it is business and THIS is perhaps where unnecessary confusion comes into the fray. I suspect, no affirmation solid enough to go to court on, that Rich actually likes me most of the time but as a business man, my Wilomn sets a bad example and is a target of badmouthing in regards to fauna. Of course, the converse is also true, so long as I was a member, in that knowing I was there and I have NO doubt discouraged some people taking advantage of others. Personal-good, Business-not so good, maybe.

Arrogant? Yes. Deservedly so? Yes. In your face about it? No.

Truth. Plain and simple.

There are some details that would have to be addressed prior to any return but I would not rule out the possibility at this point.

No one is responsible for my being gone but me. Someone crossed a line and I, just me, FOR just me this time, had to take action. I have extreme dislike for hypocricy, especially from those with whom I have discussed such dislike. I did consider whether or not my use to fauna and its faithful readers would be affected by my comments but I was slapped by someone from whom I chose not to turn the other cheek. Sometimes I smack back and I am sure someone rues the day she slapped me. This too I knew was coming and while I hold no grudges, I am sorely disappointed.

As far as the masked rider and his oh-so-whitest of white steeds, I haven't seen that bugger nor his horse in a couple of weeks. Reckon he's off reconoitering elsewhere. I hope that gallant man and his waycool horsey return to our neck of the woods sometimes soon.



That pretty much sums it up in long hand. The short version is- Yes with a caveat' to be configured at a later date prior to implimentation of a return to fauna.

If you post this in the thread you will most likely get warning points for doing so. If you want I can email it to Rich and ask him to post it in the thread. Feel free to pass it around as you will, I ask only that it be sent entire and not cut up.

Thanks Nic, truly.

Wes
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Am I reading this right? Wes is blaming ME because I allowed him to get so many warning points before finally being banned? :crazy03: Unique thought process, I must admit...........

And that other quip about my "cabinet advisors"...... Sorry Wes, but I guess you would really like to blame this on one of my mods, but no, the decision to ban you was MINE and mine alone. I did not confer nor discuss this with anyone else. I really didn't need anyone else's advise for that kind of decision.

I think if Wes does come back, I am going to start up some kind of lottery. I'll create a private calendar and sell chances at $10 each. The person who guesses the date of Wes's first major warning (causing a suspension) will split the pot with me.

Now the question in my mind is that if Wes does come back after that $1K fine is paid, and he winds up getting himself banned again, who are you all going to be mad at then? Him or me?
 
shoot even i will put in 10.00 for a shot at a 50/50 pot on that!!!! I think he was saying that there were contributing factors that led to his being banned. Sure he did some of it all on his own but felt that one person helped him along a little more then was justified. I never understood the thing between the two of them as i think they are both alright in my book and have had many conversations with both and find them to be intelligent people.Different personalities?? you bet. Wes a little more towards the type "a" personality with the need to be the dominant, outspoken and stubborn. and "the other" person a little more towards the type "c" personality that tends to be more of a thinker and tends to be defensive and more emotional.Neither personality is a bad thing as we all fit into one catagory or another, its just that certain personalities are more prone to go at one another then others.
 
Well, with all of that said......if Wes is willing, put me down for $20 to bring him back. :)
 
This is not an opinion, just a fact, if I have not missed anything in this 39 page thread.

Number of members willing to pay to get Wilomn reinstated: 4

Number of members who are not willing to pay to get Wilomn reinstated: 24,579
 
Nicolai - 40.00
chuck - 100.00
bill - 50.00
Chris K - 20.00
laura - 50.00
cat - 20.00

ttl = $280.00

jsrocket - to answer your question - maybe because out of the 24,579 others only 24 people have visited this thread as of yet and 6 of them volunteered money. Thats not too bad in my opinion.besides its the 1,000.00 mark that matters and we are more then 25% of the way there, what does that say to you?
 
nicolai said:
Nicolai - 40.00
chuck - 100.00
bill - 50.00
Chris K - 20.00
laura - 50.00
cat - 20.00

ttl = $280.00

jsrocket - to answer your question - maybe because out of the 24,579 others only 24 people have visited this thread as of yet and 6 of them volunteered money. Thats not too bad in my opinion.besides its the 1,000.00 mark that matters and we are more then 25% of the way there, what does that say to you?

Actually, that is not correct. As of this post, this thread has been viewed 3,111 times. Granted, not were all by unique users, but it still amounts to a lot more than 24.
 
alrighty then. Let me rephrase that. 25 people have posted on this thread.
 
Rich, after the thousand is paid and Wes is brought back, when he receives another warning that requires a fine to be paid, will it be ten dollars like everyone else?
 
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